Logan Airport Capital Projects

bigpicture7 said:
If I'm reading this correctly, skylights will be added to the existing main terminal - that sounds great!
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Less skylights and more light tunnels. Next to CBP and above the baggage claim.

I also hadn't realized that they're taking out the current TSA checkpoint entirely and putting everyone in the new one at the end of the ticketing hall.
 
Equilibria said:
Bid materials are posted for construction on Terminal E:

Contractor briefing:

https://www.massport.com/capitalprogramsattachments/L338-/L338- Briefing Presentation.pdf

Models/plans:

https://www.massport.com/capitalprogramsattachments/L338-/L338- Exhibit A.pdf
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Thank you, sir.

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Nice addition!! However, it's quite the haul from the from these new gates to Terminal C and visa versa for those making connections via Jet Blue. Do these plans include any sort of moving sidewalks though none were added in the new connection between E and C, or even in the new A380 addition just completed. MassPort seems to do things in chunks seemingly with no thought given to making all these chunks or phases connect smoothly. And to have all phases completed by 2026? MassPort, can you move any slower?
 
atlantaden said:
Nice addition!! However, it's quite the haul from the from these new gates to Terminal C and visa versa for those making connections via Jet Blue. Do these plans include any sort of moving sidewalks though none were added in the new connection between E and C, or even in the new A380 addition just completed. MassPort seems to do things in chunks seemingly with no thought given to making all these chunks or phases connect smoothly. And to have all phases completed by 2026? MassPort, can you move any slower?
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FWIW, I've done the walk from Terminal C to Terminal E multiple times (for fun, mostly... I love the Massachusetts Innovation walkway for inspiration). I think from the Johnny Rockets in Terminal C security to the Stephanie's restaurant at Terminal E takes about 8 to 10 minutes to walk between comfortably--about a half mile. It does surprise me that phase I doesn't appear to add any moving walkways to Terminal E, though; however, it's refreshing to see numerous places for people to sit (important age-friendly feature).
 
Looks like those are 321/752s at the 4 new gates utilizing the dual jet-bridges to have 2 planes at one gate.

I am wondering if eventually Massport might look at reconfiguring gates E7-12 to allow for dual jet-bridges?
 
atlantaden said:
Nice addition!! However, it's quite the haul from the from these new gates to Terminal C and visa versa for those making connections via Jet Blue. Do these plans include any sort of moving sidewalks though none were added in the new connection between E and C, or even in the new A380 addition just completed. MassPort seems to do things in chunks seemingly with no thought given to making all these chunks or phases connect smoothly. And to have all phases completed by 2026? MassPort, can you move any slower?
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I'm not sure I'd say this is slow - they're looking to kick off construction on this in November, with design proceeding simultaneously. 2 years of construction is pretty standard for something like this.

Jetblue and Massport can address the transfer issue by placing Jetblue's flights in the lowest of the E gates. FWIW, don't forget that the real transfer isn't from gate-to-gate, but from baggage recheck-to-gate (international flights on Jetblue depart from Terminal C). The baggage recheck station is being relocated about as close to Terminal C as it can get...

mass88 said:
Looks like those are 321/752s at the 4 new gates utilizing the dual jet-bridges to have 2 planes at one gate.

I am wondering if eventually Massport might look at reconfiguring gates E7-12 to allow for dual jet-bridges?
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Is it worth it if there are always enough widebodies at the building to fill those gates, at least when narrowbody traffic would be high enough to need them?
 
Curious, on the club level layout, E10-12 has 3 jet bridges.
 
mass88 said:
Curious, on the club level layout, E10-12 has 3 jet bridges.
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E10-12 have direct boarding from the clubs. The new clubs will not have direct boarding, unlike like E10-12 in the A380 addition, because The Great Hall is in the way (though I think they should do skybridges or something to some of the gates to offer that amenity). Lufthansa, Emirates & British will have that to brag about over the other carriers that will have clubs in the new addition.

Edit: Oh wait, you're asking about the triple jet bridges shown in the existing A380 wing. Yeah, they've always been modeled with 3 jetbridges in all the construction docs in hope that some day they'll have the configuration.
 
Equilibria said:
I'm not sure I'd say this is slow - they're looking to kick off construction on this in November, with design proceeding simultaneously. 2 years of construction is pretty standard for something like this.
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But phase one and phase two will not be completed till 2026! Eight years to complete the addition to Terminal E seems like an incredible long time. Why not just build the whole addition at once? IMO, MassPort builds Logan in pieces with seemingly no thought to the future connectivity of the terminals. Case in point, the skybridges. Very nice structures when they were built but some terminals are connected via skybridge, others are not. Makes no sense.
 
atlantaden said:
But phase one and phase two will not be completed till 2026! Eight years to complete the addition to Terminal E seems like an incredible long time. Why not just build the whole addition at once? IMO, MassPort builds Logan in pieces with seemingly no thought to the future connectivity of the terminals. Case in point, the skybridges. Very nice structures when they were built but some terminals are connected via skybridge, others are not. Makes no sense.
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I think there's a lot of reasons to build in phases. They may not be able to pay for the whole thing right now, they may not think they could manage the logistics of building the larger structure (the footprint of Phase 2 might need to be staging for Phase 1 to keep the apron functional), etc.

As to your more general point, basically every project Massport has pursued in the last 15 years has been about connecting terminals past security. C/E was a connector, as was the C consolidated checkpoint, as are the United gates. The American B project links that whole side together in anticipation of A/B later. B/C is next up once the American B project is done. That creates complete connectivity past security end-to-end, albeit with a hike.

Also, which terminals aren't connected by skybridges through central parking? I think they all are. A-to-E has a climate-controlled hallway because B/C and C/E had indoor hallways integrated into the building, so only A/B (which doesn't have many use cases) is left for indoor links.

Massport has a clear plan and they're doing a good job of making incremental progress, IMO. I'd prefer a long-term vision of a single terminal, but they don't have the $5 billion to throw at it like New York does.
 
Equilibria said:
I think there's a lot of reasons to build in phases. They may not be able to pay for the whole thing right now, they may not think they could manage the logistics of building the larger structure (the footprint of Phase 2 might need to be staging for Phase 1 to keep the apron functional), etc.

As to your more general point, basically every project Massport has pursued in the last 15 years has been about connecting terminals past security. C/E was a connector, as was the C consolidated checkpoint, as are the United gates. The American B project links that whole side together in anticipation of A/B later. B/C is next up once the American B project is done. That creates complete connectivity past security end-to-end, albeit with a hike.

Also, which terminals aren't connected by skybridges through central parking? I think they all are. A-to-E has a climate-controlled hallway because B/C and C/E had indoor hallways integrated into the building, so only A/B (which doesn't have many use cases) is left for indoor links.

Massport has a clear plan and they're doing a good job of making incremental progress, IMO. I'd prefer a long-term vision of a single terminal, but they don't have the $5 billion to throw at it like New York does.
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You nailed it all. It's a mix of funding/contracts and logistics (relocating existing functions, keeping the apron open & staging areas).

Also, about the walkways, tough to put them in this addition (or any of E) where the whole building is curved.
 
As for trekking long distances, I give you United's concourse C/D at Dulles.

You can find airports around the world that have a concourse where the distance from one extreme gate to another is longer than the distance from gate C1 to Gate D32 … but those concourses have moving sidewalks. The Dulles C-D concourse is the longest concourse in the world that lacks any moving sidewalks. It is over a kilometer long, or just under ¾ of a mile. And it is narrow, and has a low ceiling. It is just not a very pleasant place.
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The blogger didn't mention that its not flat either, it goes up and down with changes in elevation.
 
I still think the vast majority of terminal B traffic will have their origin or destination in Boston. Not sure of the exact numbers but I'm willing to bet that Logan has one of the lowest precentage of connecting passengers of major airports in the states.
 
stellarfun said:
As for trekking long distances, I give you United's concourse C/D at Dulles.

The blogger didn't mention that its not flat either, it goes up and down with changes in elevation.
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The idiots at United pulled out all the moving walkways at EWR to add bars.
 
shmessy said:
That sure is an awful lot of surface footage to the roof and canopy of the design. Any info in there about putting solar panels on it?
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In answer to your question: it will be half-covered with solar panels, at least according to the illustrations.
 
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