Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

Sky Suite is business class, albeit a better product than what they have now.
 
I was looking into flights to Milan and JetBlue to ny and emirates to Milan was the cheapest. Do you think it's possible for emirates to add any one stop Europe routes that continue onto Dubai? That would be sweet if they picked up a major euro city boston is missing- Milan and maybe Barcelona seem like good candidates
 
kmp1284 said:
Sky Suite is business class, albeit a better product than what they have now.
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Wow didn't even realize that! They more or less have a true F, two levels of J, Y+ and Y.

choo said:
I was looking into flights to Milan and JetBlue to ny and emirates to Milan was the cheapest. Do you think it's possible for emirates to add any one stop Europe routes that continue onto Dubai? That would be sweet if they picked up a major euro city boston is missing- Milan and maybe Barcelona seem like good candidates
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Its cheapest because they've lowered the average fare in that market from NYC. Lets see how they do in JFK-Milan before they try other routings via Europe. However, Ethiad Airways looks to be gaining control of other European carriers. They've renamed a swiss carrier Ethiad Regional which was formerly Darwin Airlines and are toying with an idea of gaining more control over Air Berlin and Alitalia. It could result in no changes for Boston or something extreme as Ethiad serving Boston-Rome/Milan-Abu Dhabi.
 
The thing to remember with the New York to Milan route is that there is enough of a market there for Emirates to profitably operate on local traffic alone. In 2011 that route had an average of 500 passengers PDEW and had nearly doubled from 2003. Boston-Milan on the other hand is about 55 PDEW and has only grown by about 10%.
 
Interesting story on summer travel especially noting higher airfares to Europe and Hawaii along with how Emirates has lowered the average fare for Milan-NYC flights.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles...1572904177610.html?KEYWORDS=flights+to+europe


However, earlier this afternoon an Italian court has ruled against Emirates receiving approval (From Italy's Civil Aviation Authority) for the JFK-Milan-Dubai route. This came about from a lawsuit brought forth by a group representing Alitalia's unions and was also supported by Delta as well. It is unclear if they have to suspend the service and Emirates is planning to appeal ASAP it seems.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303873604579493643517437548
 
Curious about the future of gates 40-42. These are orphan gates with their own security checkpoint off the connecting corridor between terminals B and C. JetBlue currently uses them, it seems mostly for flights to Washington and Newark. When JetBlue gets the United gates in C next month, does JetBlue intend to return these gates to Massport for use by another carrier? Anybody know?

As a sidenote, the entrance to the new connector between the two piers of B is in place at the south end of the US Air shuttle gates, but boarded over. For American/USAir, the terminal configuration will be odd. USAir non-shuttle destinations on the west part of B, the US Air shuttle gates, the connection through the new United gates, and then the American gates on the east side of B. Does American/USAir have a plan to sort out departures by destination, e.g., long-haul on the east side; everything else on the west side?
 
stellarfun said:
Curious about the future of gates 40-42. These are orphan gates with their own security checkpoint off the connecting corridor between terminals B and C. JetBlue currently uses them, it seems mostly for flights to Washington and Newark. When JetBlue gets the United gates in C next month, does JetBlue intend to return these gates to Massport for use by another carrier? Anybody know?

As a sidenote, the entrance to the new connector between the two piers of B is in place at the south end of the US Air shuttle gates, but boarded over. For American/USAir, the terminal configuration will be odd. USAir non-shuttle destinations on the west part of B, the US Air shuttle gates, the connection through the new United gates, and then the American gates on the east side of B. Does American/USAir have a plan to sort out departures by destination, e.g., long-haul on the east side; everything else on the west side?
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JetBlue is keeping C40-C42, and MassDOT's next project after the C-E connector is a connector inside security from those gates back into the rest of C. The current food court will be shifted mostly inside security, which is where it belongs.

I believe that American post-merger will entirely be located in the current USAir side (Terminal B South). United will get the next 10 gates, and I assume that the rest will be temporarily closed for remodeling. The current Virgin gates will be linked back in to the rest of the terminal. Most observers believe that Southwest will eventually move in so that international flights can use all of E.
 
Equilibria said:
JetBlue is keeping C40-C42, and MassDOT's next project after the C-E connector is a connector inside security from those gates back into the rest of C. The current food court will be shifted mostly inside security, which is where it belongs.

I believe that American post-merger will entirely be located in the current USAir side (Terminal B South). United will get the next 10 gates, and I assume that the rest will be temporarily closed for remodeling. The current Virgin gates will be linked back in to the rest of the terminal. Most observers believe that Southwest will eventually move in so that international flights can use all of E.
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Interesting.

The question I have about American moving from the east to the west side of B is that I believe the USAir gates were not configured for bigger jets. I suppose they could reconfigure several gates at the end of the piers for a larger jet, or maybe American doesn't intend flying bigger planes out of Logan in the future.

The second problem with moving American to the west side is that the US Air side has no TSA Pre lanes. I'm not sure how they can reconfigure the existing US Air checkpoints for these. (US Air and Virgin America are the only major domestic carriers at Logan not on the TSA Pre list for Logan.) No TSA Pre will be a major competitive disadvantage.

As for moving restaurants/bars such as Jerry Remy's behind the security wall at Terminal C, I certainly hope the renovated C has some retail/dining before the checkpoints. The narrow piers at Logan were never designed to have anything more than 'grab and go' establishments.
 
stellarfun said:
Interesting.

The question I have about American moving from the east to the west side of B is that I believe the USAir gates were not configured for bigger jets. I suppose they could reconfigure several gates at the end of the piers for a larger jet, or maybe American doesn't intend flying bigger planes out of Logan in the future.

The second problem with moving American to the west side is that the US Air side has no TSA Pre lanes. I'm not sure how they can reconfigure the existing US Air checkpoints for these. (US Air and Virgin America are the only major domestic carriers at Logan not on the TSA Pre list for Logan.) No TSA Pre will be a major competitive disadvantage.

As for moving restaurants/bars such as Jerry Remy's behind the security wall at Terminal C, I certainly hope the renovated C has some retail/dining before the checkpoints. The narrow piers at Logan were never designed to have anything more than 'grab and go' establishments.
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I'm surprised to hear USAir has no TSA Pre, since so much of their Logan business is the DCA shuttle. In the event, though, that's the TSA's problem, not AA's or Massport's. They can configure their checkpoint however they like, and cordoning off lanes differently can be done overnight. It's no reason not to move AA.

I'm not certain exactly which gates can accommodate which aircraft at B, but I know that the A gates across the way can go up to 767s if an adjacent gate is blocked, and a 757 normally. Since neither US or AA flies 747s (and neither would fly them to Boston if they did), that just leaves the 777, which AA can currently host only at the end of their pier (the 9/11 gates). They used those for London and Paris, but London's shifted to British Airways and CDG has gone seasonal. I don't think there's many AA 777s in Logan's future regardless of what terminal they use - you'll have to go to E to see big planes.

There's really no reason to focus sit-down restaurants outside of security. Having done C many times, it's a little nerve racking to have to sit in there playing chicken with the security line. Note that the food court isn't changing much, it's just having its entrance shifted to what is now the wall of windows. You'll still be able to sit in there.
 
IIRC, there are two lanes for the US Air shuttle gates, so too few lanes to reserve one for TSA Pre. Gates 40-42 have no TSA Pre, not enough space, so not a competitive disadvantage if one is choosing whether to fly JetBlue of USAir to DCA. If American/USAir have monopolistic city pairs out of Logan, no competitive disadvantage if there is no TSA Pre for these routes.

Re: terminal C, that's a waste of a big hall if the space between the entrance and the JetBlue counters is emptied out.
 
Although they didn't do it this weekend, the past 4 or 5 weeks has seen US bring in an A330 for a CLT-BOS roundtrip, arriving around 8 pm, spending the night, and then departing around 8 am. The plane has been parked at B7, and I haven't been able to see whether or not they are blocking adjacent gates.
 
I'll be on it both Friday morning and Sunday evening. I think it has been going out of gate B10 though, B7 is usually reserved for boarding props and regional jets. They will probably have B12 blocked but B8 should be ok due to the angle
 
kmp1284 said:
I'll be on it both Friday morning and Sunday evening. I think it has been going out of gate B10 though, B7 is usually reserved for boarding props and regional jets. They will probably have B12 blocked but B8 should be ok due to the angle
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I'll with B8--tough to tell from the airport roadway driving past terminal A! It was on one of the gates fully visible from the roadway.
 
So with the most recent schedule change it's back to an A321 which is unfortunate but not surprising.
 
They have what looks like a good network within mainland China but not so much in Southeast Asia. Boston-Beijing isn't a large enough market to operate entirely on local traffic so they definitely need connections to make this viable.
 
kmp1284 said:
They have what looks like a good network within mainland China but not so much in Southeast Asia. Boston-Beijing isn't a large enough market to operate entirely on local traffic so they definitely need connections to make this viable.
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This flight is really geared for Chinese-originating tourism which is rapidly growing. Its up to Hainan to market it correctly in China for all the connecting destinations. I have no idea how the average Chinese traveler perceives this airline but performance in Seattle leads me to believe this route will do fine.

The question is how many premium passengers, especially on the US side, can they poach with their lower biz fares but no frequent-flier link with a US airline.

The JetBlue interline is official as well and both airlines are talking about closer links.
 
Massport released March 2014 numbers

Total airport passengers up 3.5% for month and 2.2% YTD
International is down 2.4% for month and up 1.7% for year

Emirates had 85% Load Factor but definitely helped by intro fares.

Copa Airlines had 75% Load Factor

Japan Airlines had a great month 93.5% Load Factor
 
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