Lynnport (Former GE Gear Plant) | Lynn

Re: GE Gear Plant - Lynn

Both are challenges relative to their day.

Sure, and there's also a reason why a casino mogul is the only person interested in cleaning up the Monsanto property in Everett.
 
Re: GE Gear Plant - Lynn

That EXACT description applied to the Back Bay before it was filled in. The Back Bay was incredibly polluted due to damming. Look at the action taken and the world class neighborhood we enjoy now.

Data -- they filled the Back Bay and built on it for 50 years -- no one would allow that today on the Back Bay or the Saugus River
 
Re: GE Gear Plant - Lynn

The Back Bay was filled with 19th Century trash. The Lynn Waterfront is a modern day industrial Super Fund site. It's not really the same thing.

Uground -- to be fair the Back Bay was not filled with trash it was filled with a mixture of brackish water from the tidal Charles and a sporadic flow of Sewage and 19th C industrial waste from slaughterhouses, tanneries, etc coming down the Muddy River
 
Re: GE Gear Plant - Lynn

Wonderful! The renderings and site plan should be interesting
 
Re: GE Gear Plant - Lynn

Wonderful! The renderings and site plan should be interesting

In one of the articles it mentioned 20 stories as the height of the building(s). Should be quite a development. Hopefully when they extend the development to the waterfront it becomes more mixed use.
 
Re: GE Gear Plant - Lynn

In one of the articles it mentioned 20 stories as the height of the building(s). Should be quite a development. Hopefully when they extend the development to the waterfront it becomes more mixed use.

Developer's also shooting for public-private reboot of River Works commuter rail stop--to be renamed "Lynnport"--behind this development. Full-high ADA platforms, shelters, full kiss-and-ride and ped access through the back driveway to Commercial & Bennett St.'s. Still dealing with GE reluctance because of the site security considerations with their property. And state reluctance to do partial funding for the platform-proper construction that's their jurisdiction because "blah blah we're concerned your frickin' 1200 units can't guarantee ridership blah blah" (lame...New Balance bought off the right pols and got all them tripping over themselves to say "Yes, sirs!"). But if Patsios gets the approvals from those two ornery deciders he's goin' for it with his own money. And in the meantime trying to get existing River Works open to the public via that back driveway as an interim solution (construction workers need to get to work too).

Direct transit access from the backdoor will make those units fly off the market instantaneously, and get it done without burdening the obviously distracted T. We need more devs around here self-invested in that kind of business bait.
 
Re: GE Gear Plant - Lynn

GE has already moved their perimeter fence back to the other side of the tracks. They are the ones who cleared the site and are leasing the property to the developer, so I don't think GE has any remaining security concerns beyond the day to day operational of manning a gate with a checkpoint which they already do now.

As mentioned before it is already a commuter rail stop, so it is already required to be ADA compliant. What we are taking about is whether they are going to make it a nicer commuter rail stop, but that shouldn't delay anything.

Sounds like we are talking about another year for environmental review and to get permits and start construction.
 
Re: GE Gear Plant - Lynn

1250 units over 65 acres all at once. That is a large area to permanently screw up with a single massive development. I am not optimistic. I sure hope Lynn surprises me on this one with some good urban design.
 
Re: GE Gear Plant - Lynn

1250 units over 65 acres all at once. That is a large area to permanently screw up with a single massive development. I am not optimistic. I sure hope Lynn surprises me on this one with some good urban design.

The waterfront master plan (from several years back) didn't cover the GE land, but it had some features worth moving forward with:

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Always hard to redo the street grid where there are existing businesses, but this plan could be applicable to the large vacant parcels.
 
Re: GE Gear Plant - Lynn

1250 units over 65 acres all at once. That is a large area to permanently screw up with a single massive development. I am not optimistic. I sure hope Lynn surprises me on this one with some good urban design.

Bostonian -- Yes that is a risk

On the other hand it takes something of that magnitude to certify to the outside community that a place with a reputation such as Lynn's is really making a step up the ladder -- this is certainly not Newton, nor Somerville, nor even Quincy.
 
Re: GE Gear Plant - Lynn

Lynn is better than its reputation. Its downtown is vibrant, despite having lost large portions to fire. Lynn Shore Drive is some of the best public waterfront access north of Boston. And the city is unpretentious and relatively affordable.

The master plan shows that the extremely underutilized waterfront is a massive opportunity. I hope the city can focus on successfully implementing some manageable pieces of such a bold plan.
 
Re: GE Gear Plant - Lynn

As mentioned before it is already a commuter rail stop, so it is already required to be ADA compliant. What we are taking about is whether they are going to make it a nicer commuter rail stop, but that shouldn't delay anything.

Because River Works was a low-ridership stop, and not a major park-and-ride nor bus transfer, it was not among those selected for priority ADA conversion. It is only required to be made ADA compliant if other construction work is performed at the station (like adding parking, or major repair work).

Part of GE's reluctance may be if they've had even the faintest thought of ever shipping by rail again (unlikely, but still). Adding new platforms would certainly entail removing the old freight sidings and make any sort of future freight service impossible.
 
Re: GE Gear Plant - Lynn

Because River Works was a low-ridership stop, and not a major park-and-ride nor bus transfer, it was not among those selected for priority ADA conversion. It is only required to be made ADA compliant if other construction work is performed at the station (like adding parking, or major repair work).

Part of GE's reluctance may be if they've had even the faintest thought of ever shipping by rail again (unlikely, but still). Adding new platforms would certainly entail removing the old freight sidings and make any sort of future freight service impossible.

Low level platforms are the norm in the commuter rail system, so having a low level platform shouldn't be an issue. You are talking about sidewalks, curbs, paths and landscape. Tens of thousands or a few hundred thousand. Also, looking at the map, the old freight siding is further down the tracks. This is a massive complex. So if sometime down the road... they want to build a new platform, then there is plenty of room.

Interesting are the rumblings by GE to move their headquarters out of CT with Boston still apparently a possibility. A decision is expected this month. Regardless, it would be good for the Riverworks to continue to get more attention from GE.
 
Re: GE Gear Plant - Lynn

Lynn is better than its reputation. Its downtown is vibrant, despite having lost large portions to fire. Lynn Shore Drive is some of the best public waterfront access north of Boston. And the city is unpretentious and relatively affordable.

The master plan shows that the extremely underutilized waterfront is a massive opportunity. I hope the city can focus on successfully implementing some manageable pieces of such a bold plan.

Bostonian -- the key Is its Reputation

Lynn is well located with a nice protected shoreline, protected woods, the Commuter Rail complex witjh large garage, and reasonable highway access to both Rt-128 / I-95 to the north and Logan / I-90 to the South. In addition its the landing for one of the highest capacity trans-Atlantic links [via Nova Scotia].

Yet despite all of those assets -- it still can't seem to "Turn the Corner" from being a former blue-collar industrial city to being a current Knowledge Age city -- focused on residential and entrepreneurialisms of various forms
 
Re: GE Gear Plant - Lynn

Lynn has turned the corner with new business and construction. Just needs to accelerate in the right direction.
 
Re: GE Gear Plant - Lynn

GE has already moved their perimeter fence back to the other side of the tracks. They are the ones who cleared the site and are leasing the property to the developer, so I don't think GE has any remaining security concerns beyond the day to day operational of manning a gate with a checkpoint which they already do now.

As mentioned before it is already a commuter rail stop, so it is already required to be ADA compliant. What we are taking about is whether they are going to make it a nicer commuter rail stop, but that shouldn't delay anything.

Sounds like we are talking about another year for environmental review and to get permits and start construction.

Oh, no. He absolutely wants to expedite building a full-blown new stop adjacent to River Works. This isn't just a pretty-up job of the existing 1-car slab of pavement. Any site access work and prettying-up that Patsios pays for to get existing River Works open to the public in as-is condition is work directly serving the cleanroomed stop he aims to get built there. The cleanroomed stop would be shifted no more than 200+ ft. north clear of the switches for the GE yard, and so the northerly tip of the 800 ft. full-highs reached up the access road out far enough (i.e. near the current helipad) for easier Lynnway access and room to shiv in a kiss-and-ride.

His "Lynnport" isn't what many others have tossed around over the years for a "West Lynn" replacement of RW (last brought up for the 2024 Indigo announcement). All of those WL concepts shifted the stop clear away from GE property and onto T property inside the ex-Saugus Branch wye at Commercial St. and the trail head for the Lynn segment of the Bike to The Sea trail. Exact same location of the pre-195(9?) Boston & Maine West Lynn CR station. Patsios is looking to rebuild "Lynnport" as a whole new River Works at River Works-proper using his property for access in lieu of GE's. Big distinction from all the other proposals. He can get started on all the site access and prettying-up once the sign-offs for trackside access are clear, but 100% of that work serves his eventual cleanroomed, full-ADA Lynnport stop with regulation-size full-high platforms.

The only reason he's looking for any state money is the same reason New Balance did: the T is the only party allowed to touch the actual tracks and build the actual to-spec full-high platform. That's the set of negotiations that gets the new platform built. The 'bridge era' where the existing slab of pavement has to get used traces the outer limits of how much site access work he can do himself before needing to square platform design with the T and hash out the exact to-the-inch platform placement that doesn't foul access to any reactivated GE freight sidings.


The only reason he can't announce right now, on 1/3/2016, for the as-is River Works re-use is not the location of the security fence but the all-around GE land ownership giving GE some rights of first refusal access considerations that still haven't been 100% squared. Same stuff that has made past attempts at opening River Works to the public a fruitless cause, even when the interested parties have offered to pay for the modified security fence. It's much more a low-motivation thing for GE than a leverage ploy where they're looking to get paid. GE's got no money it can make out of the station and has already made all its money off Patsios with the land sale. So they're simply unmotivated to return a simple phone call. Chronic unresponsiveness is unfortunately a GE corporate trait when it comes to community outreach. My family lives right by their big Plainville, CT plant (yes, same one with the relocation rumors) at ground zero of that downtown, where the plant is right next to the town high school and some new upzoned office redev. It's the same thing in Connecticut as it is in Lynn; something as simple as Plainville asking their permission to do a little streetscaping impacting a meaningless strip of GE's front lawn gets met with complete non-response for months/years until they finally give a nonchalant OK. It shouldn't by any logic always have to take so long, but it just does as S.O.P. with that corporation.

They'll come around because it's a dirt-simple up/down decision they just need to signal an affirmative on. But GE always moves at a glacial pace and there's nothing anyone can really do to expedite it. Patsios today just doesn't have firm-enough answers from them that give him a ballpark timetable he can publicly quote for advancing to next step. That's all this is...not a real blocker, just the same corporate sloth everybody in Lynn knows well in advance to be prepared for.

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Re: accessibility. . .

As long as the stop is private-only, the only accessibility regs it's held to are GE's own for a private employment facility of that class/size. i.e. They certainly have to have the requisite wheelchair ramps to the office entrances like most employers, but the plant floor doesn't qualify and they aren't nearly huge enough for employee transit to come into play. The T isn't on-the-clock at all for counting ridership and scheduled stops measured against those ADA compliance triggers unless GE allows public-access. So it's not their problem, not their solution until that change happens. Obviously if an as-is River Works gets approval to open to the public it would have to have swelling ridership for a bunch of years after before it gets anywhere near those ADA triggers that EGE alluded to. Its status as exempt flag stop like the Silver Hills and Prides Crossings of the system wouldn't change instantaneously, even though unlike those others RW has for decades been quietly served by vast majority of Newburyport/Rockport schedules.
 
Re: GE Gear Plant - Lynn

Probably should rename the thread. "Lynnport (Former GE Gear Plant) - Lynn"
since the Gear plant has long since been demolished and it is a bit confusing with GE Riverworks right next door.
 

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