MA Casino Developments

Why isn't it being built in the Seaport? Because no one wants it there! It wouldn't pass a vote. It would be a disaster because the filth and scum that is a casino would spill over into downtown Boston and spread a dark stain of crime, corruption, and vice into what up to until now has been a very pleasant place to live.

That's the fuck why not.
 
And how do you think these casinos are being built? They are being built on land purchased and owned by the developers who want the casinos. Why isn't it being built in the Seaport? Because the landowners don't want them to be built there.
 
Your first answer is freakishly paranoid. Your second answer is a bit more grounded but I would nonetheless still contend that any major player in the Seaport would kill to have a casino - they don't press it because the Suffolk Downs site has been given political first right of refusal.
 
JohnAKeith said:
Why isn't it being built in the Seaport? Because no one wants it there! It wouldn't pass a vote. It would be a disaster because the filth and scum that is a casino would spill over into downtown Boston and spread a dark stain of crime, corruption, and vice into what up to until now has been a very pleasant place to live.

That's the fuck why not.
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You don't spend much time in convenience stores, do you?
 
DominusNovus said:
You don't spend much time in convenience stores, do you?
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I would say 1/2 the population around Revere, Chelsea, E.Boston, Everett, Malden, Saugus, Winthrop would spend the majority of their paychecks, EBT cards, Govt Checks playing slots. Just like the Store 24's in the area with an area of gambling junkies playing KENO. This would be very sad & depressing.

Nothing good will come out of this area besides some greedy businessmen getting very rich by demoralizing the poor and destroying anytype of community with families in the area.
 
TheRifleman said:
I would say 1/2 the population around Revere, Chelsea, E.Boston, Everett, Malden, Saugus, Winthrop would spend the majority of their paychecks, EBT cards, Govt Checks playing slots. Just like the Store 24's in the area with an area of gambling junkies playing KENO. This would be very sad & depressing.

Nothing good will come out of this area besides some greedy businessmen getting very rich by demoralizing the poor and destroying anytype of community with families in the area.
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^sounds like a very paternalistic, gov't should protect us from ourselves argument. where do you stand on large sodas out of curiosity?
 
Ron Newman said:
More than I probably should. What effect would a casino have on the sale of potato chips and slurpees?
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It was a reference to the gambling parlors already available throughout Boston. John Keith's riff about crime and decay makes no sense under the context of rampant gambling already found in every neighborhood.
 
JohnAKeith said:
It would be a disaster because the filth and scum that is a casino would spill over into downtown Boston and spread a dark stain of crime, corruption, and vice into what up to until now has been a very pleasant place to live.
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This is true. Most people find Monaco to be a real hell hole.
 
While I agree that Monaco isn't pleasant at all as a city (I was shocked the first time I went too), I truly the believe the Seaport is a different story because it is not developed yet. If a casino was put there and then the area around it was filled in with smart development, I don't think it would fall victim to the casino and they could compliment each other quite nicely.
 
TheRifleman said:
I would say 1/2 the population around Revere, Chelsea, E.Boston, Everett, Malden, Saugus, Winthrop would spend the majority of their paychecks, EBT cards, Govt Checks playing slots. Just like the Store 24's in the area with an area of gambling junkies playing KENO. This would be very sad & depressing.

Nothing good will come out of this area besides some greedy businessmen getting very rich by demoralizing the poor and destroying anytype of community with families in the area.
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Riff -- I don't think so -- 1/2 the population -- nowhere close to reality -- try perhaps 10% to 20% who are regular gamblers in a lower-middle-class population, with much lower % in the higher-income demographics -- similar to smoking
 
I'll chime in with my two cents here. It will never happen, but I'd like to see only one casino resort in Massachusetts. We don't need three. I would like to see it built on one of the harbor islands that is currently underutilized. I think this location would offer the most employment since everything would need to be transported out to it. It would embrace the harbor into the Boston experience for tourists and residents alike. This would require expanded service industries and create some new opportunities. This location would expand the boating business in the harbor transportation industry, especially with more water taxis required. There are certainly enough parking lots for people to park and walk to the boats. The location would also eliminate any concerns that perceived crime, drugs, pimps, etc. along with a sundry of unsavory types not be in neighborhoods on the mainland.
 
Meadowhawk said:
I'll chime in with my two cents here. It will never happen, but I'd like to see only one casino resort in Massachusetts. We don't need three. I would like to see it built on one of the harbor islands that is currently underutilized. I think this location would offer the most employment since everything would need to be transported out to it. It would embrace the harbor into the Boston experience for tourists and residents alike. This would require expanded service industries and create some new opportunities. This location would expand the boating business in the harbor transportation industry, especially with more water taxis required. There are certainly enough parking lots for people to park and walk to the boats. The location would also eliminate any concerns that perceived crime, drugs, pimps, etc. along with a sundry of unsavory types not be in neighborhoods on the mainland.
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Meadow -- Huh?? -- the miscreants would just lie in wait for the unsuspecting tourists -- haven't you been exposed to the well documented historic tradition of the docks, wharves and piers as the center of criminal activity in a city
 
whighlander said:
Meadow -- Huh?? -- the miscreants would just lie in wait for the unsuspecting tourists -- haven't you been exposed to the well documented historic tradition of the docks, wharves and piers as the center of criminal activity in a city
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Whigh - yes I have, but only in Sherlock Holmes novels. I do not have an image of thieves, prostitutes and the wayward exiting opium dens on the docks of Boston brandishing knives at tourists. I am imagining a more positive scenario in which there are well lit platforms and police on the platforms on both sides. In any event, trouble, if there is any, would still be kept out of neighborhoods.
 
LOL, whighlander. Do you really think today's Rowes Wharf, Long Wharf, Atlantic Wharf, Fan Pier, and Black Falcon are 'the center of criminal activity' in Boston, or ever will be again?
 
Ron Newman said:
LOL, whighlander. Do you really think today's Rowes Wharf, Long Wharf, Atlantic Wharf, Fan Pier, and Black Falcon are 'the center of criminal activity' in Boston, or ever will be again?
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Bahahaha. Probably the most hilarious thing I've seen on here in a while.
 
Meadowhawk said:
Whigh - yes I have, but only in Sherlock Holmes novels. I do not have an image of thieves, prostitutes and the wayward exiting opium dens on the docks of Boston brandishing knives at tourists. I am imagining a more positive scenario in which there are well lit platforms and police on the platforms on both sides. In any event, trouble, if there is any, would still be kept out of neighborhoods.
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Meadow -- if Casinos on land are alleged to attract all of the miscreants in the city and put out a welcome mat for those "under-empoyed in crime" from throughout New England - -why would a Casino out on the Harbor Islands accesible only by boat be any different

its the Willy Sutton Effect -- i.e. you rob banks because that's where the money is located - if you are attracted to do crime connected with a Casino -- it hardly matters whether the Casino is on an island or on-shore -- you [the hypothetical miscreant] would either go to the island (somewhat risky due to its isolation} or else hit on the visitors pre or post Casino down by the docks or on their way to the acres or parking -- just as what happens at a Mall parking lot during the final frenetic Christmas Shopping hours.
 
Met with someone last night from Revere. Says "the casino is a done deal."
Everybody involved is paid off.

He even said that they are already working on upgrading a tunnel to connect the Blue Line and a walking ramp to the beach.
(not sure what he meant.)
 
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