MBTA Commuter Rail (Operations, Keolis, & Short Term)

A top priority should be to fix the Old Colony bottleneck through Quincy and Dorchester. The sad need to operate a shuttle train meet at East Taunton to provide a barely reasonable level of service to both New Bedford and Fall River, the lack of track capacity to run direct commuter trains to Wareham and Buzzards Bay, and the constraints on providing regional rail frequencies on the Old Colony lines all point to this need.
I agree 100%. If I were to include Old Colony Double Track as its own “extension,” then I’d rank the priority of this category (intercity in-Massachusetts passenger rail extensions that are on a smaller magnitude than North-South Rail Link) as:
  1. Old Colony Double Track*
  2. Springfield - Boston
  3. Boston - Cape Cod Rail
  4. South Coast Rail Phase II
*Specifically, solving the Savin Hill bottleneck by taking two tracks from the Red Line Braintree Branch from JFK/UMass through Savin Hill, and instead having the Red Line branches diverge south of JFK/UMass.
 
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I agree 100%. If I were to include Old Colony Double Track as its own “extension,” then I’d rank the priority of this category (intercity in-Massachusetts passenger rail extensions that are on a smaller magnitude than North-South Rail Link) as:
  1. Old Colony Double Track*
  2. Springfield - Boston
  3. Boston - Cape Cod Rail
  4. South Coast Rail Phase II
*Specifically, solving the Savin Hill bottleneck by taking two tracks from the Red Line Braintree Branch from JFK/UMass through Savin Hill, and instead having the Red Line branches diverge south of JFK/UMass.
I'd throw finally wrapping up the Franklin double tracking in there just because it's already so annoying close.
 
Listening to the "I-90 Allston Rail and Transit Working Group Meeting" right now and more details about the "Worcester 30-30" upgrades were presented. It would include all-day 30-minute frequencies on both a zonal express to and from Worcester and local service to and from Framingham. This was stated as being 15-minute frequencies at Framingham (instead of timed transfers) and also implied 15-minute frequencies at all Boston stations. This would be a very significant upgrade over current service and I'm surprised has not been announced formally.
 
*Specifically, solving the Savin Hill bottleneck by taking two tracks from the Red Line Braintree Branch from JFK/UMass through Savin Hill, and instead having the Red Line branches diverge south of JFK/UMass.
I don't see the South Coast commuter rail commuters winning the fight over South Shore red line commuters on that fight.
 
I don't see the South Coast commuter rail commuters winning the fight over South Shore red line commuters on that fight.
But it benefits South Shore commuters too, more of whom would have the opportunity to take the CR and skip all the Red Line local stops going into downtown.
 
But it benefits South Shore commuters too, more of whom would have the opportunity to take the CR and skip all the Red Line local stops going into downtown.
South Shore commuters want their fast Red Line commute to Kendall and Downtown - no extra stops in Dorchester (because "reasons").
 
South Shore commuters want their fast Red Line commute to Kendall and Downtown - no extra stops in Dorchester (because "reasons").
Yes but my point is that those South Shore commuters getting on at Quincy Center and Braintree would have the option for an even quicker commute that many of them don't have now because of the limited CR capacity. Also the time difference here is like 2 minutes at worst, probably more like 60-90s. It's not a lot and I doubt you would have a wave of protests sweep across Quincy. There wasn't objection when JFK/UMass was added as a stop on the branch for example.
no extra stops in Dorchester (because "reasons")
Savin Hill is just as white as North Quincy or Wollaston based on the 2023 survey data.
 
Yes but my point is that those South Shore commuters getting on at Quincy Center and Braintree would have the option for an even quicker commute that many of them don't have now because of the limited CR capacity. Also the time difference here is like 2 minutes at worst, probably more like 60-90s. It's not a lot and I doubt you would have a wave of protests sweep across Quincy. There wasn't objection when JFK/UMass was added as a stop on the branch for example.

Savin Hill is just as white as North Quincy or Wollaston based on the 2023 survey data.
There’s enough room to add an island platform and double track at JFK/UMass without taking any red line tracks, so long as there’s some road dieting of Old Colony Ave and a reduced footprint of the busway at the station.

I think it would be shortsighted to take away any red line tracks, as tempting as it seems. Doubling the capacity of the red line by implementing a RedX is too valuable of a proposition, even if it may seem like an out of reach goal right now. @F-Line to Dudley has previously diagrammed out how double tracking of the Old Colony line can be done without taking any red line tracks
 
There’s enough room to add an island platform and double track at JFK/UMass without taking any red line tracks, so long as there’s some road dieting of Old Colony Ave and a reduced footprint of the busway at the station.
I think you're right about it being possible to make JFK work. But JFK isn't the problem, Savin Hill is. You would either need to demolish or at least take the backyards of a dozen homes and two apartment buildings, or take a lane from 93, which already doesn't have a shoulder in that section. Both of those are equally unlikely. If you think there's another way I'd love to hear it but I'm just not seeing it.
 
I think you're right about it being possible to make JFK work. But JFK isn't the problem, Savin Hill is. You would either need to demolish or at least take the backyards of a dozen homes and two apartment buildings, or take a lane from 93, which already doesn't have a shoulder in that section. Both of those are equally unlikely. If you think there's another way I'd love to hear it but I'm just not seeing it.
The other way would be to tunnel a single track of commuter rail underneath the existing footprint. Not easy and I agree the options that you’ve outlined are highly unlikely, but I think it’s worth exploring when put up against a new flying junction to merge the red line tracks
 
Quincy Center and Braintree
These are a minority of South Shore red line riders and how many of those riders aren't bound for FiDi but rather statehouse, MGH, or Kendall and won't benefit from going to a two seat ride?

On the other hand few from the other stations will backtrack to these stations for an infrequent commuter rail train (even if they upgrade to two tracks).
 
These are a minority of South Shore red line riders and how many of those riders aren't bound for FiDi but rather statehouse, MGH, or Kendall and won't benefit from going to a two seat ride?

On the other hand few from the other stations will backtrack to these stations for an infrequent commuter rail train (even if they upgrade to two tracks).
The only way people would backtrack is if the MBTA could offer synchronized connections. And we know the T is no where close to synchronized connection performance.
 
The only way people would backtrack is if the MBTA could offer synchronized connections. And we know the T is no where close to synchronized connection performance.
it really wouldn't make sense in most cases - it would be akin to forcing people to use the commuter rail when the subway would take you right there.
 
it would be akin to forcing people to use the commuter rail
No it just plainly isn't. Adding 90s to a subway trip doesn't "force" anyone to use the Commuter Rail. Again, 90 seconds. That's the amount of time that anyone would be making a fuss over.
 
Adding 90s to a subway trip doesn't "force" anyone to use the Commuter Rail. Again, 90 seconds.
Coordinated schedules to make the transfer work between red and commuter rail would mean slower service on the Red line and add up to way more than 90s.

Taking what is a long commute on the Red Line that is positively offset by frequent subway service and good connections across downtown to incrementally make south coast rail services slightly more frequent to end at a downtown terminal is an assbackwards proposal for Red Line south shore commuters.
 
Coordinated schedules to make the transfer work between red and commuter rail would mean slower service on the Red line and add up to way more than 90s.

Taking what is a long commute on the Red Line that is positively offset by frequent subway service and good connections across downtown to incrementally make south coast rail services slightly more frequent to end at a downtown terminal is an assbackwards proposal for Red Line south shore commuters.
How can the Dutch coordinate trains without slowing service?

Oh, right, they actually know how to run a railroad.
 
How can the Dutch coordinate trains without slowing service?

Oh, right, they actually know how to run a railroad.
Timed transfers, even done in the Netherlands, slow down a service to make it more frequent. I somewhat frequently take the train through Zwolle which has a timed transfer to give each destination pair a half-hourly service, and the stop lasts somewhere around 3-5 minutes most of the time. I'd expect the E. Taunton transfer to work out similarly.
Coordinated schedules to make the transfer work between red and commuter rail would mean slower service on the Red line and add up to way more than 90s.

Taking what is a long commute on the Red Line that is positively offset by frequent subway service and good connections across downtown to incrementally make south coast rail services slightly more frequent to end at a downtown terminal is an assbackwards proposal for Red Line south shore commuters.
I actually have no idea what your point is here and it's just completely detached from the facts, so I'm going to go back to the start and restate the idea:
  • Right now, during peak hours, the Commuter Rail from Braintree to South Station comes roughly every half hour. Quincy Center is a little better but headways still average around 20 minutes at best.
  • The commuter rail is faster than the Red Line if you are trying to get from Braintree or QC to bus connections at JFK or South Station and downtown, but because it is so infrequent during peak hours it doesn't make sense for most people
  • Compounding this is the fact that these few CR trains are split across three branches, which leads to even less frequency on the branches (about 3 times less, believe it or not) resulting in high crowding, again reducing the usefulness of this parallel express service for commuters at Braintree and QC.
  • Therefore, if we could add more service, some people at Braintree and Quincy Center who currently have a slow commute on the Red Line could have a faster one on the Commuter Rail, and many communities on the South Shore and in Plymouth County such as Weymouth, Hingham, Bridgewater, Brockton, Abington, etc could have much more frequent service, such as every 15 minutes to Brockton for example.
  • However, this requires adding an extra track to the at least some of the single-tracked sections of the Commuter Rail. For some sections this is quite easy, and there is space available on the alignment or dead space between the adjacent road which can be dug out. Other sections would require some space to be taken from the road or just ignored through detailed scheduling.
  • And in one spot, there is a choice. Just north of JFK and next to Savin Hill, the extra space could either be attained through taking space from I-93, or by reducing the number of Red Line tracks. The first seems somewhat unwise, given that the relevant section of I-93 already has no shoulder for safety. Removing a lane for the CR could preclude adding one. The second option however, could work.
  • By reworking JFK station to only have two Red Line tracks, and moving the split point to a new flying junction, possibly around here, there would be enough for two CR tracks all the way from South Station to just past North Quincy. Combined with a comprehensive renovation of Quincy Center and some smaller workers between Quincy Adams and Braintree, that would leave only around ~2 mi of single track, enough to allow 8-10TPH on the line.
  • However, this comes at the cost of adding about 90s to the Red Line trip by stopping at Savin Hill. If anyone is bitching about their commute being longer, this is the time they would be bitching about.
  • But again, this would be mitigated substantially by the fact that the additional express CR service would also benefit riders at QC and Braintree, and obviously the benefits to places only on the CR and not the RL. You could call that robbing Peter to pay Paul, but I would strongly argue it's more like "Robbing Peter to invest his money and generate a 3-4x return to Paul, and giving some (but not quite all) of the original sum back to Peter."
 
And again, this is not actually a new concept. JFK/UMass was not originally on the Braintree branch. It was added as a stop 11 years into its existence, again adding about 90s to the journey time between Quincy and Boston. There were in fact no riots in the streets of Quincy demanding that the MBTA not add a stop along their precious Red Line in Dorchester.
 

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