New Red and Orange Line Cars

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I have not heard that they were in service yet. Last I heard was that they were in testing.
 

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I kind of stopped paying attention, but just saw this on New Trains in Boston. Is this true, there is a new Red Line train operating on revenue trackage?

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The tracker picks up pings from the RFID tags onboard the lead car on the train, and doesn't differentiate between revenue and non-revenue moves because it can't. Once it leaves the Wellington test track or Cabot leads it's being pinged on the mainline and picked up by the tracker same as Orange and GL Type 9 test trains have been lighting up the tracker all year. You have to cross-ref them with the NETransit active rosters to filter the car numbers that haven't been accepted, and that still doesn't tell you the difference when it's a revenue-accepted set that just happens to be doing a non-revenue test extra.

This means, at minimum, that the RFID tags have been activated on the Red test sets where for the first few months after delivery they were not. That 4-car set DOES test on revenue trackage overnight or on the far off-peak, just like the Orange test sets can and do deadhead on the mainline at any time between revenue runs when traffic's light enough. I guess the only way to really differentiate is that an Orange mainline test lighting up the tracker is probably going in/out of service every time at Wellington, while the Red set lighting up the tracker is probably going in/out of service at JFK every time.
 

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Poftak: "I'm disappointed to announce there are further delays in the procurement of the new Red and Orange line trains..." no real details beyond that.

One of the board members pushed for more details, this is basically the response:

"COVID 19 has made this challenging, we are working with CRRC to come up with a new schedule." "We do not currently have a schedule for the rollout."

"We expect to get a third car in service on the Orange Line this month. The first two cars are back in full service."

No mention of the fact they were massively delayed before COVID, no mention of real dates or number of cars at various stages of production. No mention of the Red Line. For context the third trainset that may be entering service within the next month has been on property for months now, and Poftak referenced delays with CRRC in both China and Springfield as to why there were no more cars in the testing pipeline.
 
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Looks like the new trains will never be on time with production, testing & being put into service. This is just ridiculous!:mad:
 
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Looks like the new trains will never be on time with production, testing & being put into service. This is just ridiculous!:mad:
I don't think any rail vehicle procurement for the MBTA has ever been "on time". Though, from what I understand, this one might be the closest to 'on-time'. As crazy as that sounds.
 

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I don't think any rail vehicle procurement for the MBTA has ever been "on time". Though, from what I understand, this one might be the closest to 'on-time'. As crazy as that sounds.
Remembrances of the Red 01800's '94-95 rollout on RR.net threads relating to this procurement say that's not crazy at all. Being 1st-gen AC traction product, the Bombers were torturously slow to roll out and the choo-choo boards back in the day on AOL dial-up were aflame with laments that they'll never get rid of those 01400 "rustbuckets". But the Bombers ended up swarming on the back half of acceptances and have held up just super in their 25th year of service.


Short attention-span theatre IS the universal constant.
 

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Short attention-span theatre IS the universal constant.
At the 90,000 foot level, I also blame the federal government for keeping us an island of practice, technology, and policy. This Anglo-American island mentality stuff has made it all quite difficult for the layperson to have a historical reference.
 

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At the 90,000 foot level, I also blame the federal government for keeping us an island of practice, technology, and policy. This Anglo-American island mentality stuff has made it all quite difficult for the layperson to have a historical reference.
Ra8 -- "would that it were" [John Kerry numerous times]
Unfortunately -- we are not that island -- we are critically dependent for many things on a country who's fundamental approach is opposed to our fundamental approach to economics and liberty and who manages the in/outs to benefit the Chinese Communist Party staying in power

If the shop in Springfield was dealing only with suppliers from the "Angloworld" -- more correctly the "West" including not just the British Commonwealth and the the EU and the Americas but the "extended West" of places like Japan, Korea, etc. -- we wouldn't be in the current situation
 

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Ra8 -- "would that it were" [John Kerry numerous times]
Unfortunately -- we are not that island -- we are critically dependent for many things on a country who's fundamental approach is opposed to our fundamental approach to economics and liberty and who manages the in/outs to benefit the Chinese Communist Party staying in power

If the shop in Springfield was dealing only with suppliers from the "Angloworld" -- more correctly the "West" including not just the British Commonwealth and the the EU and the Americas but the "extended West" of places like Japan, Korea, etc. -- we wouldn't be in the current situation
Only in a world where uninformed hottakez are the authoritative voice would one assume that there's something distinctly un-"West" about the product to begin with.

You realize, Professor, that the bulk of assembly delays in Springfield has been because of EU component suppliers' COVID shutdowns, right? And that this is two-months' old news first reported long ago. There isn't a single bloody railcar in the world that's sole-supplied with guts from one region only, so that cuts all-ways. China can't on-time deliver China's railcars right this second when they have component supply chains in Angloworld, Euroworld, and Ugly 'Murcanworld upended by the pandemic.


I'd put more effort into searching for the PDF list of sub-contract component suppliers for the OL/RL cars that plainly illustrates, but there's little motivation to when you wouldn't read it to begin with before doubling-down on this same whiff-o'-xenophobia that got your last attempt at the subject emergency-excised to the "Please Stop" thread.
 
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Only in a world where uninformed hottakez are the authoritative voice would one assume that there's something distinctly un-"West" about the product to begin with.

You realize, Professor, that the bulk of assembly delays in Springfield has been because of EU component suppliers' COVID shutdowns, right? And that this is two-months' old news first reported long ago. There isn't a single bloody railcar in the world that's sole-supplied with guts from one region only, so that cuts all-ways. China can't on-time deliver China's railcars right this second when they have component supply chains in Angloworld, Euroworld, and Ugly 'Murcanworld upended by the pandemic.


I'd put more effort into searching for the PDF list of sub-contract component suppliers for the OL/RL cars that plainly illustrates, but there's little motivation to when wouldn't read it to begin with before doubling-down on this same whiff-o'-xenophobia that got your last attempt at the subject emergency-excised to the "Please Stop" thread.
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Poftak referenced delays with CRRC in both China and Springfield as to why there were no more cars in the testing pipeline.
I didn't make it up -- delays in China
Could there be legitimate reasons for the delays in China -- of course
Could there be "Big Power Politics" reasons -- you can't rule these out as -- China has been recently questioning meat imports from the US over transmission of the SARS-Cov-2 virus despite any evidence of transmission through that mechanism. Note that those imports were one of the features of the recent "Phase One Trade Agreement"
 

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I didn't make it up -- delays in China
No...but you DID willfully omit the "...and Springfield". Springfield's the assembly plant for components. Half-finished chunks-o' car guts get waybilled there from all over the world. Assembly plants: how do they work?!?!

Could there be legitimate reasons for the delays in China -- of course
Could there be "Big Power Politics" reasons -- you can't rule these out as -- China has been recently questioning meat imports from the US over transmission of the SARS-Cov-2 virus despite any evidence of transmission through that mechanism. Note that those imports were one of the features of the recent "Phase One Trade Agreement"
Not "ruling out" does not mean the barn door is wide open for ruling in anything-goes. Like you just did with...fucking meat imports. One kind of has to point to some evidence for the ruling-in part. Chicken gizzards are not a known railcar component, last I checked.

That's a requirement for anyone. You, of all people, need to tread doubly carefully around that specificity given that you've already been sanctioned once in the past 50 hours for site ToS violation for posting xenophobic tripe on this very subject.
 

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