New Red and Orange Line Cars

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Orange/Red/Blue are all level-boarding. They don't need to "kneel" like a bus. That's not a thing we'd ever need here.
I can think of at least one place where it would be good to adjust the air cushions under the train - Charles MGH where the RL vehicles never seem to meet the platform just right.
 

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I can think of at least one place where it would be good to adjust the air cushions under the train - Charles MGH where the RL vehicles never seem to meet the platform just right.
Charles has a farcially 'lumpy' platform that only got a superficial top-coat resurfacing during the early-2000's station reno. Other than the 1988 platform extensions for 6-car trains that's still all-original 1932 platform decking being stretched egregiously past end-of-life. There's no vehicle-side fix for that; it isn't even level from one single car's pair of end doors in some cases. The only way that's going to get better is if they strip the flooring down to the girders and re-deck the whole thing from scratch, which is probably going to entail some service disruptions in order to do right.
 

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The new trains here DO have extenders that come out when the doors are opened.This helps to assist passengers as they board the trains or are getting off. I think they help keep people from getting their feet stuck between the trains & the platforms. :giggle:
 

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The new trains here DO have extenders that come out when the doors are opened.This helps to assist passengers as they board the trains or are getting off. I think they help keep people from getting their feet stuck between the trains & the platforms. :giggle:
That's an auto- bridge plate, not "kneeling". Completely different thing from what the post-appended video shows. None of our platforms vary enough by laser leveling to swing outside the ADA/MAAB bounds for level boarding, therefore we'd never ever in a million years need to buy vehicles equipped with such a precision-adjustment feature. Maybe Chicago's platforms have a half-inch variance or something on different lines where their cars will run and do actually need that feature (I have no idea!), but we don't. The only times an HRT car ever goes out-of-level with the platform here is when the underfloor air ballast springs a leak and it needs to go out-of-service for a shop trip, a fault scenario the Jetsons Shit auto-leveler isn't going to fix.

What is today's threadbump even digging at? That the T made a boo-boo by not spending more for a premium feature that flat-out isn't applicable on its system? That's a most strange outrage-of-the-day for this thread's standards. :unsure:
 

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They're flying, alright. Flying to the next problem for another excuse to be yanked off the line again!! This is crazy! Instead of rushing the trains into service right away, they should test them more to assure that they at least ARE safe to operate. It's just not fair. All those problems should've came up during TESTING, not during service! This system is so backwards. They really need to test these trains more, but that's not they're way. Screw your heads on right & get with the program.

In the meantime, ridiculous money & labor is being spent keeping the old cars tuned up to stay in service, when they should be planning to retire them. Tell me if this makes any sense. At least to me, it doesn't. :eek:
 
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It's not an outrage-a-thon, as you would call it, and you know it. It's a fact. No other transit agency that I know of is having this much trouble with new equipment. It is beyond me. What I'm trying to say IS true. :(
 
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It's not an outrage-a-thon, as you would call it, and you know it. It's a fact. No other transit agency that I know of is having this much trouble with new equipment. It is beyond me. What I'm trying to say IS true. :(
New York MTA's R179s come to mind. Years late, numerous teething problems, pulled en masse from service at least twice last year alone (forcing them to run 1964-built R32s in their place...again). The 01400 series' problems are annoying, and not helped by the T's hyping them as if they're perfect instead of right in that period when you'd expect issues to show up that only crop up after they've been in service for a while. I'd prefer they be in service and pulled if necessary rather than have every new vehicle have to run, empty, for a couple of years worth of miles just so they don't get pulled after EIS.
 

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They're flying, alright. Flying to the next problem for another excuse to be yanked off the line again!! This is crazy! Instead of rushing the trains into service right away, they should test them more to assure that they at least ARE safe to operate. It's just not fair. All those problems should've came up during TESTING, not during service! This system is so backwards. They really need to test these trains more, but that's not they're way. Screw your heads on right & get with the program.

In the meantime, ridiculous money & labor is being spent keeping the old cars tuned up to stay in service, when they should be planning to retire them. Tell me if this makes any sense. At least to me, it doesn't. :eek:
Your fandom is starting to come off as obsessive. You seem to have all the answers, yet your opinion (much like mine) isn't going beyond this internet forum. Try contacting the MBTA directly, using the same words/tone used here, and see how that goes.

We get it, the issues are frustrating. Tell me something we don't already know. But your historic (and documented) tirades about what isn't "right" or the "should be"s regarding the MBTA, are poorly expressed, if we're to take it as fandom (and not outright passive shitting on them). Offer some plausible recommendations or theoretical changes based on data or at minimum, "adult conversation". The "blasphemous T" talk is old, and doesn't really contribute to a discussion.
 

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Tell me something; How would YOU feel waiting for years & years, I mean, we're talking decades here, waiting for new trains to be tested here, & finally, they are introduced into service. Everything seems to be going fine, then they are taken out of service because of a problem, come back for about a month, but are gone again because of a different problem, come back in service for another month, but are gone again. In the meantime, other cities get new trains and they seem to be fine. But the ones in Boston aren't on the line yet because they keep on being plagued with problems. But we're still riding decades-old equipment that has been in service since Your children were born 45 years ago. How would you feel? Not very proud, I bet. :(
 

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Tell me something; How would YOU feel waiting for years & years, I mean, we're talking decades here, waiting for new trains to be tested here, & finally, they are introduced into service. Everything seems to be going fine, then they are taken out of service because of a problem, come back for about a month, but are gone again because of a different problem, come back in service for another month, but are gone again. In the meantime, other cities get new trains and they seem to be fine. But the ones in Boston aren't on the line yet because they keep on being plagued with problems. But we're still riding decades-old equipment that has been in service since Your children were born 45 years ago. How would you feel? Not very proud, I bet. :(
I agree it doesn't feel very nice. A good bit of that is on the MBTA and the state for how long it took to procure the new vehicles at all. (The #12 Orange Line cars were all 30+ years old, without a rebuild, by the time the new cars were even ordered.) That said, multiple posters have pointed out that other systems have had significant issues with equipment entry-into-service as well, including the New York subway R179s I mentioned before which were also withdrawn from service multiple times after issues were discovered.

The MBTA's utter sluggishness in getting around to replacing the old Orange and Red Line cars, in terms of how long it took to order them in the first place, and in particular the fact that the #12 cars never got rebuilt in that time, is absolutely offensive and I would argue at least borderline negligent in that they're lucky (and Wellington shops have worked very hard) to keep the now-40-year-old cars running well enough to avoid catastrophe. But until or unless you or someone else can provide actual statistical evidence that the CRRC cars EIS has gone significantly worse than previous MBTA procurements (that's a tall order given the Type 8s' propensity for hopping off the rails throughout the early-00s) or other systems' comparable procurements (NYCTA might want a word) then while it's annoying that EIS isn't perfectly smooth, it's not reasonable to go off the rails attacking this procurement unless it actually, empirically, deserves it.
 

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Thank you!! Some think that I might be complaining needlessly & frequently, but i'm really not. To wait patiently for 40-plus years for new equipment to finally arrive, get it tested, put it into service, then see it yanked off the line so many times, having to go back to riding antiquated rust buckets is really frustrating, not to mention exasperating is, in & of itself downright frustrating & annoying, knowing that these decades-old trains seriously need to be replaced, have worn out their welcome eons ago. :(
 

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you've spent 40 years patiently waiting for new red/orangeline cars?!? take up a musical instrument or learn a language or something -- that's no way to waste four decades.
The newest hawtness is always a rustbucket compared to hypothetical multiple-decades-future replacement product. If anything, you should be extremely upset that the over-long teething has made the 01500's purchase in 2050 slip another year from delayed obsolescence.


Yep...this thread is having another extremely normal one.
 

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