New Red and Orange Line Cars

The new trains LCDs could hypothetically be used for all the things you've suggested and more. LCDs can display... Well anything. Right now they just duplicate stop info but an LCD is an easy as a software update.
 
Norval Elliot said:
What's not true? Bustitutions in New York are typically posted using old-fashioned bills. Furthermore, a wheelchair icon does not disappear when an elevator is out of service. Except for displaying the train's progress (and the remaining stations), onboard MTA maps are not updated in real-time.
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I saw them update the C train map showing temporary express service 2 weeks ago. It was also announced (garbled), and paper posted (if you knew to look), but the map eliminating the stops being skipped made the express run clear.
 
JeffDowntown said:
I saw them update the C train map showing temporary express service 2 weeks ago. It was also announced (garbled), and paper posted (if you knew to look), but the map eliminating the stops being skipped made the express run clear.
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Thank you for reinforcing my point. Incidentally, how long have you lived in New York?
 
Norval Elliot said:
Because the NYC Subway system is far more extensive and confusing than that of the MBTA, tourists rely on the MTA's electronic maps to avoid getting lost. (Denizens know where they're going.) With its straightforward, color coded lines, why shouldn't a simple, albeit cheap-looking, map suffice for Boston?
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So because NYC is 'bigger' it can have nice things and Boston can't? You also 100% have confusion on the branching of the Green Line (soon to be worse with the two new northern branches) and on the Red Line - I have had (and seen) countless tourists asking about stops/lines after boarding trains. Not to mention that any route changes (station renames, infill stops added, etc) is a simple update vs the classic MBTA "lets slap a sticker on half of the maps for maybe a decade (or more)".
 
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bakgwailo said:
So because NYC is 'bigger' it can have nice things and Boston can't?
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This case isn't a great example because I think we all agree it would have been a minimal add, but...yes, in general? New York is a bigger city in a bigger state with a bigger budget. And it does have more lines and more tourists so the argument that they minimize confusion has a lower hurdle to acceptance. It's also why NY has higher rents, taller buildings, more nightlife, etc. etc. We are truly not in the same tax bracket and that's okay. We'll get all of those cool things when they're justified by the size of our economy. We will have a supertall the day a bunch of shady billionaires decide Copley Square is the place to hide their money but not one day before.

Again I think we could just as easily have put these boards in the contract, but this idea that all cities can just have the same stuff is pervasive throughout the forum
 
cadetcarl said:
This case isn't a great example because I think we all agree it would have been a minimal add, but...yes, in general?
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Again I think we could just as easily have put these boards in the contract, but this idea that all cities can just have the same stuff is pervasive throughout the forum
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That is... 100% my point. Having electronic signage above the doors is pretty standard issue and putting us not getting it on NYC being 'bigger' is compete garbage. As to the rest of your rant, I would point out that Boston has historically beaten NYC to be the first at quite a few things, including having a subway, even if it is a significantly smaller city. Obviously size and scale dictate some things - but having the subway map above the doors isn't one of them.
 
Norval Elliot said:
What's not true? Bustitutions in New York are typically posted using old-fashioned bills. Furthermore, a wheelchair icon does not disappear when an elevator is out of service. Except for displaying the train's progress (and the remaining stations), onboard MTA maps are not updated in real-time.
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London use A-frame Whiteboards at the entrance to a Tube Station to tell you that "Unfortunately, due to unforeseen circumstances the flowing are not fully functional:
[followed by a list which could be a fare gate, an escalator, elevator, or the entire station may not be open or just the Circle Line is unavailable -- often these "modern equivalent" of a blackboard or even a scrap of cardboard [both of which I've seen on the Tube] are more up-to-date than any of the various electronic methods of communicating
 
bakgwailo said:
That is... 100% my point. Having electronic signage above the doors is pretty standard issue and putting us not getting it on NYC being 'bigger' is compete garbage. As to the rest of your rant, I would point out that Boston has historically beaten NYC to be the first at quite a few things, including having a subway, even if it is a significantly smaller city. Obviously size and scale dictate some things - but having the subway map above the doors isn't one of them.
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Especially since the core and many of the other aspects of the technology can justifiably be linked to Boston -- not NYC --The last advanced technology to come from NYC was Edison's wiring Pearl St. for lights
 
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I heard reports that they'd rigged up a solution to the "unusual noise" but I can't find a link. Anyone know anything about that?
 
ulrichomega said:
I heard reports that they'd rigged up a solution to the "unusual noise" but I can't find a link. Anyone know anything about that?
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I saw something about it on Twitter a few days ago, but can't find it now. Also, it was just a tweet, not a link to any official statement or article.
 
HenryAlan said:
I saw something about it on Twitter a few days ago, but can't find it now. Also, it was just a tweet, not a link to any official statement or article.
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Same. I'm hoping the rumor is correct, because having these trains out for a month is definitely a bad look, even from a "These things always happen" perspective. It tells me this isn't a trivial problem to solve, and will probably require changes to the manufacturing process. Hopefully the already-delivered cars are repairable.
 
ulrichomega said:
Same. I'm hoping the rumor is correct, because having these trains out for a month is definitely a bad look, even from a "These things always happen" perspective. It tells me this isn't a trivial problem to solve, and will probably require changes to the manufacturing process. Hopefully the already-delivered cars are repairable.
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Adam Vaccaro asked about it on Twitter two days ago and got a response:

"car has been outfitted with the potential 'fix,' and vehicle engineers will test it on the mainline during non-service hours later this week."

Crossing the Wellington bridge today, I saw one of the new trains heading out... I assume that was the test train.

Other train is in the yard in two segments - maybe that has something to do with in-yard testing.
 
The MBTA has made no time or date as to when the 2 new trains will to return to revenue service yet. Another 2 trains will be coming into service this coming spring sometime. :)
 
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Jahvon09 said:
The MBTA has made no time or date as to when the 2 new trains will to return to revenue service yet. Another 2 trains will be coming into service this coming spring sometime. :)
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Better to not report anything to keep people from thinking about it. People are not happy they are gone, best not remind them of it. When they're back, it'll be with fanfare, no doubt.
 
I'm not happy either. Every time that I decide that I want to ride one they are both yanked out of service. I'm just so tired of seeing those old rust buckets. People can't even get a chance to ride on the new trains because they don't stay in service long enough. :mad:
 
I'm surprised that MassLive doesn't know our trains are six cars long.

MassLive said:
CRRC MA has shipped 10 Orange Line subway cars — or five married pairs — to the T. A train is typically four cars long.
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