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Yes, I realize the run- on sentance.. and my spelling sucks. yes... I deserve that I just couldn't bite my lip over a 3rd grade mistake. no offense to anyone.
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Ron wrote:
?There is no reason to be any more scared in Ruggles station than there is in Kendall or Harvard or Davis. The station already straddles the Northeastern campus, even without these latest additions.?
A lot has changed over the years, but I?m still not sure this comment should be taken seriously. Harvard and Davis Sq are urban as defined by density only. These two areas share very little in common with Ruggles; the Red and Orange lines as wholes have very little in common for that matter. Harvard Sq. is quaint, and Davis is funky. As mentioned earlier, you?ll be fine 99.5% of the time at Ruggles, especially during the day, but you?d be wise to keep your wits about you. Thinking you?re in Harvard Sq. is delusional and might not serve your best interests.
There has been a long and tumultuous relationship between residents and NU over the ever expanding university and in Boston there has been a long and tumultuous relationship between black and white?see NU?s busing museum while you?re there. This is not insignificant and you should remember this as you?re passing though.
?There is no reason to be any more scared in Ruggles station than there is in Kendall or Harvard or Davis. The station already straddles the Northeastern campus, even without these latest additions.?
A lot has changed over the years, but I?m still not sure this comment should be taken seriously. Harvard and Davis Sq are urban as defined by density only. These two areas share very little in common with Ruggles; the Red and Orange lines as wholes have very little in common for that matter. Harvard Sq. is quaint, and Davis is funky. As mentioned earlier, you?ll be fine 99.5% of the time at Ruggles, especially during the day, but you?d be wise to keep your wits about you. Thinking you?re in Harvard Sq. is delusional and might not serve your best interests.
There has been a long and tumultuous relationship between residents and NU over the ever expanding university and in Boston there has been a long and tumultuous relationship between black and white?see NU?s busing museum while you?re there. This is not insignificant and you should remember this as you?re passing though.
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Where is this museum? I'd like to visit it.
Almost every local school seems to have a "long and tumultuous relationship" with its neighbors -- not just Northeastern, but also BU, BC, Harvard, and Suffolk. Somehow Emerson has managed to avoid this.
Almost every local school seems to have a "long and tumultuous relationship" with its neighbors -- not just Northeastern, but also BU, BC, Harvard, and Suffolk. Somehow Emerson has managed to avoid this.
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Nico wrote:
"Harvard and Davis Sq are urban as defined by density only."
Is there any other definition of urban?
If your point is one station is in a black neighborhood and the others are in white neighborhoods, why can't we just say that?
"Harvard and Davis Sq are urban as defined by density only."
Is there any other definition of urban?
If your point is one station is in a black neighborhood and the others are in white neighborhoods, why can't we just say that?
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Davis has always felt to me like a charming little village that happens to be on a subway line. There's not much "urban" about it, other than the fact that one can walk two blocks from the station before one starts to feel lonesome as a pedestrian.
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The days of apartments jammed with students may soon be coming to an end in Boston.
The City Council passed an ordinance yesterday that says no more than four college students-undergraduate or graduate-can live in apartments in residential areas regardless of the size of the unit.
Complaints of places such as "Animal House," an overcrowded building in the Fenway where dozens of students throw parties and, on occasion, toilet seats out the window, led to the restrictions, which must still go to Zoning Commission and the Boston Redevelopment Authority.
It is not unusual to hear of eight or more students sharing a large apartment.
"Overflow from universities is creating shadow campuses in our neighborhoods," City Councilor Michael Ross said at a hearing that preceded the council's action. "we can't afford to have neighborhoods in the Fenway, in Mission Hill, in Brighton, destroyed."
News of the impending restriction surprised Tom Cody, a junior at Northeastern who shares an apartment with four roommates.
"Having that many roommates is the only way Boston is affordable," he said, adding that he did not think the new law would be effective. "I know of a place where girls are living in closets. What are they going to do? Break in and count people?"
The ordinance changes the definition of family in the city's zoning code to exclude five or more unrelated students. It also updates the definition of family, which dates back more than a century, to include a broader range of "family unions."
"Families can't compete when every room in an apartment is converted to bedrooms," said Mission Hill resident Patricia Flaherty, noting that a triple-decker in the neighborhood had recently sold for more than $1 million, an unheard of price. "That's only going to work if the landlord rents to multiple students."
As Boston's many colleges and universities expand, along with reports of student rioting and house party deaths, the city has put growing pressure on schools to house more of their students on campus. Boston College officials said this week they would eventually like to see all their students living on campus.
City officials noted Mayor Thomas Menino has made it a priority to have more students housed on campus, pointing our more than 2,500 dorm beds are under construction.
Universities testified in support of the measure, citing safety concerns stemming from overcrowded apartments.
"Time and time again, we find that problems happen where there is overcrowding," said Jeffrey Doggett, Northeastern University's director of government relations.
However, the Greater Boston Real Estate Board, the lead lobbyist for the real estate industry, opposed the change, for "constitutional and legal" reasons, said Patricia Baumer, the group's director of government affairs. She declined to comment on specific actions the group might take to fight the measure.
Boston NOW
The days of apartments jammed with students may soon be coming to an end in Boston.
The City Council passed an ordinance yesterday that says no more than four college students-undergraduate or graduate-can live in apartments in residential areas regardless of the size of the unit.
Complaints of places such as "Animal House," an overcrowded building in the Fenway where dozens of students throw parties and, on occasion, toilet seats out the window, led to the restrictions, which must still go to Zoning Commission and the Boston Redevelopment Authority.
It is not unusual to hear of eight or more students sharing a large apartment.
"Overflow from universities is creating shadow campuses in our neighborhoods," City Councilor Michael Ross said at a hearing that preceded the council's action. "we can't afford to have neighborhoods in the Fenway, in Mission Hill, in Brighton, destroyed."
News of the impending restriction surprised Tom Cody, a junior at Northeastern who shares an apartment with four roommates.
"Having that many roommates is the only way Boston is affordable," he said, adding that he did not think the new law would be effective. "I know of a place where girls are living in closets. What are they going to do? Break in and count people?"
The ordinance changes the definition of family in the city's zoning code to exclude five or more unrelated students. It also updates the definition of family, which dates back more than a century, to include a broader range of "family unions."
"Families can't compete when every room in an apartment is converted to bedrooms," said Mission Hill resident Patricia Flaherty, noting that a triple-decker in the neighborhood had recently sold for more than $1 million, an unheard of price. "That's only going to work if the landlord rents to multiple students."
As Boston's many colleges and universities expand, along with reports of student rioting and house party deaths, the city has put growing pressure on schools to house more of their students on campus. Boston College officials said this week they would eventually like to see all their students living on campus.
City officials noted Mayor Thomas Menino has made it a priority to have more students housed on campus, pointing our more than 2,500 dorm beds are under construction.
Universities testified in support of the measure, citing safety concerns stemming from overcrowded apartments.
"Time and time again, we find that problems happen where there is overcrowding," said Jeffrey Doggett, Northeastern University's director of government relations.
However, the Greater Boston Real Estate Board, the lead lobbyist for the real estate industry, opposed the change, for "constitutional and legal" reasons, said Patricia Baumer, the group's director of government affairs. She declined to comment on specific actions the group might take to fight the measure.
belmont square wrote:
""Nico wrote:
"Harvard and Davis Sq are urban as defined by density only."
Is there any other definition of urban?""
The word black referring to skin color and urban have become synonymous in popular culture; urban apparel, urban music, etc. I'd say it's probably a product of red-lining and white flight, but difference between the places we're talking about isn't just the color of people's.
Ron,
Many universities have difficult relationships w/their neighbors, but NU?s is unique. Consider the neighborhoods the other schools are in and both their economic and racial populations and the difference is clear. While I was at NU we had a professor that spent a good deal of time walking us around during the day showing us the gentrification of the surrounding neighborhoods and how much disdain in the community there was towards NU. Instances like when they first built West Campus and came to a compromise where low income housing would be incorporated with dorms. Partying college kids along side single mothers?great idea.
Well before this NU actually had their zip code changed from their Roxbury zip when universities became responsible for reporting crime in their zip code. NU didn?t want potential students to be scared by the crime statistics in Roxbury so instead of deterring crime they simply changed their zip. Talking about changing a neighborhood. As it was explained to me, this is why we have ?Fenway/BackBay?, which previously didn?t exist. My source for this info is from lectures at NU, I welcome anyone who can verify/challenge it as I do not have a written source.
""Nico wrote:
"Harvard and Davis Sq are urban as defined by density only."
Is there any other definition of urban?""
The word black referring to skin color and urban have become synonymous in popular culture; urban apparel, urban music, etc. I'd say it's probably a product of red-lining and white flight, but difference between the places we're talking about isn't just the color of people's.
Ron,
Many universities have difficult relationships w/their neighbors, but NU?s is unique. Consider the neighborhoods the other schools are in and both their economic and racial populations and the difference is clear. While I was at NU we had a professor that spent a good deal of time walking us around during the day showing us the gentrification of the surrounding neighborhoods and how much disdain in the community there was towards NU. Instances like when they first built West Campus and came to a compromise where low income housing would be incorporated with dorms. Partying college kids along side single mothers?great idea.
Well before this NU actually had their zip code changed from their Roxbury zip when universities became responsible for reporting crime in their zip code. NU didn?t want potential students to be scared by the crime statistics in Roxbury so instead of deterring crime they simply changed their zip. Talking about changing a neighborhood. As it was explained to me, this is why we have ?Fenway/BackBay?, which previously didn?t exist. My source for this info is from lectures at NU, I welcome anyone who can verify/challenge it as I do not have a written source.
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I've always considered Northeastern University to be part of the "Fenway", along with Simmons, Emmanuel, Wentworth, Mass College of Art, etc. The part of Northeastern on the other side of the tracks is the south end of the "South End".
As for Davis Square (where I live), I consider it utterly urban: dense residential development surrounding a busy commercial core. The houses have tiny yards (and sometimes none at all), are generally multi-family, and we have only a small number of surface parking lots. And I don't know when you visited -- maybe a Sunday morning? -- but lots of people walk in all directions from here.
Sorry for the off-topic digression.
As for Davis Square (where I live), I consider it utterly urban: dense residential development surrounding a busy commercial core. The houses have tiny yards (and sometimes none at all), are generally multi-family, and we have only a small number of surface parking lots. And I don't know when you visited -- maybe a Sunday morning? -- but lots of people walk in all directions from here.
Sorry for the off-topic digression.
Most people would consider Northeastern University to be part of the "Fenway", I believe this was their aim.
I've been to Davis Sq. many times...never said people don't walk from there. It's a fine place, definitely dense, (don't worry, you're not a suburbanite) but what I was trying to communicate is that many people in general use "urban" to describe a place like Mission Hill more than they would to describe Davis Sq. The size of your yards may be comparable, but that's about it. This is definitely not the true definition of urban, but it is commonly thought of in this way and who knows, if W00T can make it in, maybe an additional definition for urban will find its way in as well.
I know you?re familiar w/race relations and the history in Boston, and you read the news so you know where homicides/stabbings/assaults occur and I know that you know Davis, Harvard, and Kendall sq could never be confused w/Ruggles or Mass Ave.
By the way, the museum was in the basement of the library when I was there...I believe. Call and check it out. Nothing impressive, but maybe you'd find it interesting.
I've been to Davis Sq. many times...never said people don't walk from there. It's a fine place, definitely dense, (don't worry, you're not a suburbanite) but what I was trying to communicate is that many people in general use "urban" to describe a place like Mission Hill more than they would to describe Davis Sq. The size of your yards may be comparable, but that's about it. This is definitely not the true definition of urban, but it is commonly thought of in this way and who knows, if W00T can make it in, maybe an additional definition for urban will find its way in as well.
I know you?re familiar w/race relations and the history in Boston, and you read the news so you know where homicides/stabbings/assaults occur and I know that you know Davis, Harvard, and Kendall sq could never be confused w/Ruggles or Mass Ave.
By the way, the museum was in the basement of the library when I was there...I believe. Call and check it out. Nothing impressive, but maybe you'd find it interesting.
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I graduated from Northeastern in 1974 and it was zip code 02115 then as it is now. If there was a change it was before 1969 when i entered Northeastern.
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I get it now? I finally see what NU has done. Every time I drive by this building I can?t believe how big it is compared to the other buildings surrounding it.
But now I understand why; they are showing the surrounding community that NU is growing and taking over. That building is their fortress.
But now I understand why; they are showing the surrounding community that NU is growing and taking over. That building is their fortress.
This building is great; hopefully its the harbinger of more development by Northeastern on that side of the tracks. They've done a great job on the other side, and there is plenty of emptiness to fill heading towards and along Melnea Cass Blvd.
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I hope you are being sarcastic