TransitMatters has put out a detailed document advocating for next steps for Regional Rail.
TransitMatters has put out a detailed document advocating for next steps for Regional Rail.
Their basic premise regarding equipment is that we need to buy new rolling stock anyway. Seen this way, a large purchase of EMUs reduces the need to purchase pulled cars and new diesel engines and is essentially cost neutral. The incremental capital cost is primarily related to electrification. Most of the other track work they mention, such as simplifying the South Station approaches is very inexpensive. Segregation and then improvement of one line at a time makes the bill for electrification easier to swallow.
Strategically, advocating for the Worcester line as proof of concept is a great idea. The Pike construction makes people more likely to support investment there over some other part of the system. Once the improvements are made, we'll then begin to see data supporting further investment on the other lines.
What would it take for the Worcester line to receive toll proceeds from the Pike? Imagine a Auburn-Boston congestion surcharge ($0.10 to $0.50) that was lockboxed to WOR-BOS electrification and track.
On the first point, I believe they are suggesting latching on to another agency's order, essentially off the shelf. Such purchases are much more feasible for FRA compliant stock, which this would be, so I don't think it's true that too much lead time would be required over any other not yet begun acquisition process. As for the the second part, I don't know enough to make an intelligent comment, but perhaps one of the Transit Matters volunteers who posts here could address the concern.
A change to State Law. Legally, toll proceeds can only be used on the facility (Western Turnpike, MHS, Tobin) on which they are collected.
No, no federal law is at stake for Masspike tolls: While you can't add tolls to Interstates that were built untolled (e.g. I-84 or I-93), you can (as far as the Feds are concerned) do whatever you want with your tolls collected on your tollways predate the Interstates (e.g. Masspike and, by analogy, the Triboro bridge and other TBTA facilities around NYC with an interstate badge).Pretty sure that's federal law.
Agreed: it is neither politically possible nor economically useful to toll west of Auburn (unless we separately discuss upgrading rail between Worcester and Springfield in the Amtrak thread)A change to State Law. Legally, toll proceeds can only be used on the facility (Western Turnpike, MHS, Tobin) on which they are collected.
It's impossible to imagine getting Western Turnpike tolls diverted to rail. MHS... maybe.
Irrelevant, since I'm proposing a rush-hour surcharge (increasing revenues above whatever's currently collected-committed)..Either way, can't see it changing. They're still paying off the Big Dig debt, aren't they?
While you can't add tolls to Interstates that were built untolled (e.g. I-84 or I-93),,,,
Technically not: the HOT lanes (eg. VA's I-495, I-66, I-395, and I-95) are done as legally separate new facilities, and, critically, leave an unchanged number of untolled lanes (you can't "take" interstate lanes and put a toll on them, but you can take the unbuilt turf and build a toll road). Pennsylvania was cleanly smacked town when it proposed to toll I-80 (it was just a "take-and-toll" ).Many states ARE doing that. They're building additional "HOT" lanes that have electronic tolling on free Interstate system expressways.
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Yup, trainsets like the silverliner that philly and denver use already exist and have been in use for a while. No reason we couldnt order some of them to use here.
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Single floor, emu’s, at high frequency, with high platforms, that are tried and tested would work great to turn our commuter rail into essentially a heavier version of heavy rail subway. If we had these on our entire CR network with NSRL it would give basically all of eastern ma a subway ride to downtown.
Sooo much potential with our existing tracks, and many more infill stations, along with within downtown, and high level platforms.
On the first point, I believe they are suggesting latching on to another agency's order, essentially off the shelf. Such purchases are much more feasible for FRA compliant stock, which this would be, so I don't think it's true that too much lead time would be required over any other not yet begun acquisition process. As for the the second part, I don't know enough to make an intelligent comment, but perhaps one of the Transit Matters volunteers who posts here could address the concern.
The problem with that logic, as much as I like the idea, is that EMUs require electrification to work. By definition, you need to replace one line of vehicles at a time. How do you space out your EMU orders and deliveries to account for the likely delay-ridden and long-lead infrastructure work? It's not as simple as "we need rolling stock in 2021 anyway, so let's just make it EMUs!" which is kind of how the report sounds.
Again, I like the idea, but they kind of rest their vision for two-track service during Allston with a hand-wavey "find a layover yard somewhere near 128". Where do they suggest placing the yard? You're not taking tracks at Riverside and disrupting operations there, and if you took part of the parking lot you'd have to cut across the GL yard to access it. You'd have to close Recreation Road to go south of the tracks, and the tracks aren't either level or at-grade with the road and golf course, so it's probably not constructable on the west side of the Charles... if there were a way to do it, TM would have said so and not hand-waved it.
Re: TorontoStephanie Pollack at the FMCB is pursuing a line of questions that suggests she is skeptical of electrification for Boston. If I may say so, she also went out of her way to shut down the population of Greater Boston compared to Toronto by saying, "Yeah, well that includes RI and NH and greater Toronto is more populated than all of MA" which completely ignored that the commuter rail goes all the way to Wickford Junction and the entirety of Providence ridership. Also pretending that because Boston has >700,000 people that Brookline/Cambridge/Somerville/Everett/Quincy/Chelsea don't factor into the core. I am someone who appreciates her know-how and leadership, but that was trash logic to try and out-maneuver a correct comparison of like regions.
Population | |
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• Provincial capital city (single-tier) | 2,731,571 (1st) |
• Density | 4,334.4/km2 (11,226/sq mi) |
• Urban | 5,429,524 (1st) |
• Metro | 5,928,040 (1st) |
• Region | 9,245,438[a] |
Population (2018)[2][3][4][5][6] | |
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• City | 694,583 |
• Density | 14,344/sq mi (5,538/km2) |
• Urban | 4,180,000 (US: 10th) |
• Metro | 4,628,910 (US: 10th)[1] |
• CSA | 8,041,303 (US: 6th) |
I try to contextualize it as her understanding of the fiscal limitations. Her angle of attack here was on the electric subsidies in Toronto that Boston lacks as well as the service need (through population). Baker is not raising more funds for the MBTA and has been very vocal about it. Aiello asked the Toronto delegation how they have approached their mission financially, pointing out how the MBTA has allocated the money it has for the next few years. If I'm remembering correctly, Pollack pushed back against the bi-directional platforms in Newton by pointing out that they could either allocate that money to these three stations or to ten-fifteen stations over the same period. The angle is always the financial limit. That's the Baker perspective and that's her boss.Yeah, its what + 1.4 million on the metro & uban and about 1.2 million on Region vs CSA - Toronto is bigger, but, not that much bigger. I would define Greater Boston as the MSA, not CSA. Not that shocked that Pollack was against it - she really has seemed to flip 180 after joining the MBTA, and this isn't the first time she has seemingly made things up to try to shoot down projects.