Rose Kennedy Greenway

atlantaden said:
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If I remember correctly, residents from Harbor Towers nixed any plans for the large green spaces near their buildings to include large group activities (concerts, etc) due to the proximity of this area near their residences (even though most of these residents are high up in the sky and probably half face the opposite direction). They also tried to nix any sort of large water feature though I don't know if they succeeded. Even though these parks were to be for everyone, many neighborhood groups used their positions on the committees to steer the original usage from a more inclusive "everyone's parks" to more of a personal "my backyard" sort of thing. Reminds me of the seagulls in Finding Nemo!

See that's something I don't understand whatsoever. If you're living in a skyscraper in the downtown of a major city, what gives you the right to try and prevent something as great as a concert being able to take place in a park next to the 40 story skyscraper which you call home. It's not like they're going to be blaring music down there at 1am on a Tuesday night (that sort of stuff would only happen on a weekend, right?).

The thing that voids out these people complaints in my opinion is the fact that they moved to the downtown area---not Beacon Hill, not Backbay--- downtown, which means they probably wanted to be in the middle of the action, not many people move downtown in order to find quiet solitude. This is bringing the action directly to their doorstep! And now they're bitching? If I'm not mistaken, wasn't a major highway located right next to their windows 5 years ago? If these people don't want to have to go through the hell of concerts being held near their homes, then sell the condos, I'm sure plenty of people would kill to have this type of opportunity near their homes.
 
"Making the Greenway a destination requires programming that will attract people there."

No programming necessary. We've got too much programming as it is. Shakespeare on the common, concerts on the esplanade. The public garden is our best public space, and it certainly doesn't need shows. I'd even like it better without the swan boats. Look, we have concerts on City Hall Plaza, and that still sucks. The quality of the space, how it is kept and the location is all that is what matters.
 
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when is that park scheduled for completion?
 
We want... A SHRUBBERY!!

and then..

We want... ANOTHER SHRUBBERY!!

It's so they can get the two level effect with a little path running down the middle.

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What I see as reassuringly is that these parks are built so cheap that they will probably fall apart within 10 years so that another person, hopefully a well taught landscape architect, can come along and design an interesting park.
 
You can blame Matt Amorello and Fred Yalouris (chief urban planner for the Turnpike - a highway agency).
 
More shrubbery on the way for the Mass Hort parcels. Seems like cheap is the overriding theme on the greenway.


YMCA will revive plan to build on greenway
But this time project will be less expensive


By Thomas C. Palmer Jr., Globe Staff | April 5, 2007

A year and a half after the YMCA of Greater Boston scrapped plans to build a modern recreational facility on the emerging Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy Greenway downtown , its board has voted overwhelmingly to have another go at it.

This time, though, the YMCA will attempt to design and build a less expensive facility than its first proposal, which in September 2005 had grown to almost $70 million and prompted the organization to withdraw from the project .

"This is not just a toe in the water," YMCA president John Ferrell said yesterday of his board's near-unanimous decision to proceed. "This is a good-faith decision to go forward." He said YMCA executives hope to raise money for two years , start construction in 2010, and open about two years later.

Ferrell said the new estimated cost is about $35 million. Originally the Y proposed a facility that was priced at $42 million, but that figure rose dramatically as the cost of building on a block over Interstate 93, with five vehicular ramps, was refined. Tishman Construction Co. has been advising the Y and has budgeted a 16 percent contingency for inflation and other increases, Ferrell said.

In 2003, the Y was the first organization designated by the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority to build along the corridor that replaced the old elevated Central Artery. It is to be situated on a block between North Washington and New Sudbury streets along the North End .

The state Legislature earmarked $16 million for the Y, from a $31 million fund it created to help three nonprofit institutions build their proposed facilities on the three Greenway sites that have highway ramps.

Nancy Brennan, executive director of the Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy Greenway Conservancy, a private group that will manage the new parks, welcomed the Y board's decision. "There is the service not only to the adjacent neighborhood but to all the families downtown, and the young professionals," Brennan said. "It will bring another set of park visitors in."

The Y's earlier plan was for a 150,000-square-foot building, including about 50,000 square feet that would have been leased . The lease space has been eliminated from plans, but the 70,000-square-foot facility now planned will still have a pool, fitness space, teens and family activities, a child-care area, community space for residents, and a welcoming center -- including restrooms -- for visitors to the two blocks of North End parks just to the south. The Boston Business Journal was first to report the new plan, online Tuesday night.

CBT/Childs Bertman Tseckares Inc. of Boston was the original architect. "There's no reason I know we would not go back to them," Ferrell said. But, he added, "We'll be starting from scratch with a new design."

Meanwhile, at the other end of the Greenway, the conservancy and turnpike authority are pushing ahead with plans to do a minimal amount of landscaping on the three park blocks between the Moakley bridge and South Station, to have the sites ready for this summer.

More than 15 years ago, those blocks were designated for parks and a winter garden structure to be developed by the Massachusetts Horticultural Society. But after MassHort failed to make significant progress on its grand plans and the three blocks faced the prospect of being empty for the foreseeable future, the Turnpike is planning for the near future to proceed without the organization. Meanwhile, the Boston Redevelopment Authority will conduct a public process to determine what permanent structure, if any, should be built there.

Linda Jonash, manager of design and construction for the conservancy, said at a meeting of the organization this week that there isn't much money available to improve those blocks. "It may not be knock-your-socks-off park material," she said, but they will have grass, trees, and brick sidewalks, and will open to the public soon.

"We don't want to do something short-term that impinges on our ability to do something long-term," said Peter Meade, chairman of the conservancy.

Although the greenway won't formally open until fall 2008, it will be substantially complete a year earlier, and events have already been scheduled. Brennan said the first big event on the greenway will be July 22 and feature picnics and arts, cultural, and history activities.

That date is the anniversary of Rose Kennedy's birth. The mother of Massachusetts Senator Edward M. Kennedy and the late president, John F. Kennedy, she is the namesake for the parks created by the Big Dig.
 
ZenZen said:
You can blame Matt Amorello and Fred Yalouris (chief urban planner for the Turnpike - a highway agency).

Don't forget Jim Kerasiotes. Had he been completely honest about the projects finances the rest of the state and the country as a whole would be less hostile toward the project and more inclined to provide funding for things other than shrubs.
 
Does anyone know why this location has never been discussed for the new city hall?

The garden under glass has never gotten close to being reality. And if the mayor is looking to make an architectural statement what better place to view it from than across Dewey Square.
 
Is it large enough?

I don't know how tall a building it can support, since it was not engineered to hold one.
 
I doubt much can be built over the tunnel. I take some consolation in the Fed. Reserve Bank's new garden plaza (which seemed to take as long as the Big Dig to complete). I also like the pattern of paving in Dewey Square. I predict that eventually it will be transformed by the surrounding buildings' owners, a la Post Office Sq. It may just take a while...I put no hope in the Hort. Society.
 
Scott said:
ZenZen said:
You can blame Matt Amorello and Fred Yalouris (chief urban planner for the Turnpike - a highway agency).

Don't forget Jim Kerasiotes. Had he been completely honest about the projects finances the rest of the state and the country as a whole would be less hostile toward the project and more inclined to provide funding for things other than shrubs.

You're exactly right. I forgot about Kerasiotes.

I doubt much can be built over the tunnel. I take some consolation in the Fed. Reserve Bank's new garden plaza (which seemed to take as long as the Big Dig to complete). I also like the pattern of paving in Dewey Square. I predict that eventually it will be transformed by the surrounding buildings' owners, a la Post Office Sq. It may just take a while...I put no hope in the Hort. Society.

The Boston Farmers market wants to take over parcel 22 - the one with the vent building and put up a permanent market of some sort. I think this is a great idea. Unfortunately the area is dead after rush hour.
 
ZenZen said:
The Boston Farmers market wants to take over parcel 22 - the one with the vent building a and put up a permanent market of some sort. I think this is a great idea. Unfortunately the are is dead after rush hour.
That's the best idea I've heard. Who knows, maybe in five to ten years that area won't be dead after business hours. The Boston Farmers Market could be just the people to pioneer that area and give it some life.
 
Things are lookin' good, but unfortunately for the Greenway's cause I'm not referring to those scrappy shrubs..

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yeah, totally guys. check out the butt on that one.... he must work out.
 
Just curious ....

What was the original completion date for the Parkway? The date it was ALL supposed to be completed, not this "we're having a dedication in 2007 but won't be completed until 2008 but the buildings won't be built until 2011" deadline?
 

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