The South Boston Football stadium is a nice read, but I want to get back to my original post where I asked this:
Me; said:
Despite that is said many times or something long those lines. I never seen you counter-rebuke that argument that what blocking his efforts is not unwillingness to do the paperwork, but a mayor's approval. Technically, the mayor shouldn't have any bearing, but in reality he does and makes the effort of putting million of dollars into studies that the they have plenty of ability to just string more tape unless they don't want to string more tape.
Please address the above statement please. This is a direct response and I wrote that with seriousness for I never seen you wrote a direct response.
Which you responded that Hynes is a good example... and was quickly rebuked of being a horrible example.
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And One Lincoln? Was that a bad example too, one of the most successful (financially) commercial development projects the city has seen in the past 10 years? Look, I'm not jumping to Hynes' defense here, I'm just saying that even though there is alleged to be a "personality difference" between he and the mayor, that didn't stop his projects from moving through the approvals process. And Kent, you're making my point exactly - if Hynes and the mayor were on the outs, the fact that Filene's got through the approvals process as quickly as it did (rightly or wrongly) just shows that if you do your homework you'll advance the ball down the field -- something that the Harbor Garage folks haven't done -- irrespective of politics or personalities.
Actually no it doesn't show that you do your homework, you'll advance the ball down the field. It's quite the opposite. The Filene's project was fast tracked so that it didn't have to meet with the community as much as other projects. Something that happens when you are on the good side of the Mayor. You can be assured now that if Hynes was to propose something new and did his homework diligently, the Mayor wouldn't be approving in such a short amount of time.
Which I have admit, and you must reasonably admit as well, the Filene's debacle with the fast-tracked approval makes him a poor example. He is basically the opposite of Chiafaro, a man on the mayor's good side mean just going around the approval process. If everything is correct (the Globe did mention in an article that the project was fast-tracked), this undermines the point of the approval process. This demonstrate that the real approval process is politics and not a technocratic approach that if everyone do their homework and have a good idea, regardless of anyone's opinion of the person.
Thus, Hynes is an example of a man on the mayor's good side, not because he diligently did his homework.
Now, Greenway, you did put up some level of a rebuttal.
You mean like Seaport Square, the 6 million SF development proposed by Hynes that got approved last month by the BRA?
and Kent gave a small counter.
Seaport Square took around 4 years to get approval, not around 1.
I would like to explore that a bit more. This area if more speculation to me. One have to ask how long should it take. Is it normal to take 4 years? When Filene's started to sink, how far along was this project in the approval process?
Still, I can still conclude that Hynes is not the best example. The fast tracking of Filene's did happen and likely evidence of politics being a major element in approvals, in this case, helping Hynes. The counter-rebuttal of Seaport requires more background before I can consider Hynes as an example of "if you do the work with an idea that has merit, it will be approved, regardless of politics."
Oh yah and Kent, how exactly is the Greenway a "blackhole [sic] sucking the funding from the city" ????
Oh c'mon! They just talked about this.
http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view/20101008critics_eye_greenway_spending_300g_on_program_for_9_teens_wheres_the_money_going/srvc=home&position=also
They just talked about how are spending hundred of thousands on a couple of kids (averaging $30,000 per kid) for an 8 week program. Also that the mayor and the governor makes less than people in the conservancy.
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/24357955/detail.htm
This link show that despite low donation, they are making 6 figures and well into it.
I swear I posted this link before, but I can't find it. So this could be new...
http://www.unionparkpress.com/the-rose-kennedy-greenway-greenbucks/
This one showed that the Greenway is spending $293,000 per acre (from a peak of $367,000 per acre). Meanwhile the Friends of Post Office Square spends $168,000 per acre. You have to wonder what's with the spending if they spend that much.
So have to say "oh c'mon" because you must have seen those links and saying "it is easy to nickpick at a few things" doesn't isn't a rebuttal that allow a question of how the Greenway is not spending alot of money or not. I know that saying that does indicate a bias-ness towards you, but writing this show that I am willing to hear you out. However, statements/questions without a proper rebuttal to the thing that invalidate the statement does not give good standing to your arguments.
So, previously, you did counter argue with Hynes. However, I am also waiting for some address of the greenway spending. Right now, the links above show that the Greenway is wasting large amount of money with little return except for those in the conservancy. What do you have to say about that? Along with an example of a developer doing his homework means getting the approval regardless of what the mayor thinks.
