Rose Kennedy Greenway

This is nothing more than a wide median strip - Better off at this point putting a road up the middle and giving the buildings along the sides bigger sidewalks/some grassy areas/some space to expand out upon. I wonder how much time those who constantly put down proposals along the so called greenway actually spend enjoyable time there. It seems to be a great place for discarded plastic bags to blow across....
 
Wonderful...If I was Rose Kennedy, I would have them strike my name from the park so that I wouldn't be associated with so much fail.

End of grand Greenway vision
Y cancels plans, leaving city a space without buildings


By Casey Ross
Globe Staff / February 17, 2011

The state?s drawn-out effort to bring cultural and community institutions to the Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy Greenway can now be declared dead, with the YMCA of Greater Boston becoming the last of four selected builders to cancel plans for a facility on the downtown park system.

The Y?s board of directors voted last Thursday to abandon a proposed $70 million community center on the Greenway near the North End, citing the expense of building over the underground highway.

That decision concludes a slow unraveling of the plan to add cultural institutions to draw crowds to the Greenway and to cover the unsightly ramps along the 13-acre strip of parks. Other groups previously dropped plans for a so-called Garden Under Glass, a center for arts and culture, and a museum focused on Boston history.

City and state leaders yesterday said the YMCA?s decision provides the finality needed to move beyond an original vision that many acknowledged was not working. Some officials said they have come to appreciate the Greenway as an open space without buildings, adding that it might need only minor changes to make it more popular and active.

?The notion that this could be one continuous space, and not subdivided by buildings, is a powerful realization,?? said Kairos Shen, the city of Boston?s chief planner. ?The question now is, how do we make sure there are enough activities on or around the Greenway to bring more people down there???

The nonprofit conservancy that manages the Greenway said it has numerous efforts under way, including doubling the number of food vendors in the parks to 12 and hosting a large outdoor art exhibition. The conservancy is also trying to raise money for a tree nursery on a parcel near Faneuil Hall that is broken up by ramp openings.

?We know much better than we did 10 years ago how this civic space works,?? said Nancy Brennan, the conservancy?s executive director. ?This gives us a fresh opportunity to ask what is the right combination of public art, programming, and structures to make the Greenway the place everyone envisioned.??

Public officials acknowledged that further additions must also include significant benefits for residents of surrounding neighborhoods who were promised a YMCA and the other institutions as payback for enduring 16 years of Big Dig construction.

The original estimates for each of the four buildings did not account for how much more expensive it would be to build decks over ramp openings. Transportation officials yesterday also said the state did not set aside nearly enough money to help the nonprofits with those construction costs.

For example, the $31 million appropriated for that work was enough only to cover the cost of the YMCA?s parcel, said Peter O?Connor, head of real estate for the Massachusetts Department of Transportation.

?People don?t like to hear me say this, but it?s really hard to build over eight lanes of live traffic,?? O?Connor said. ?We need to stop acting like we can produce fancy architectural drawings and then just put up buildings. We have to look at other ways of solving this.??

O?Connor said the state will solicit public views on the next steps for the Greenway.

The first of the institutions to abandon its Greenway plans was the Massachusetts Horticultural Society, which gave up on its Garden Under Glass in 2008. A year later the Boston Museum dropped its planned facility opposite Faneuil Hall. Then last year, the New Center for Arts and Culture ended efforts for a new structure near Rowe?s Wharf.

As for the YMCA, spokeswoman Kelley Rice said the institution spent five years trying to make the Greenway location work but was unable to come up with the money.

?We looked at every conceivable option,?? Rice said. ?There were very significant engineering and construction costs that proved too great a financial burden.??

The YMCA?s decision upset public officials who represent the North End.

?It?s very disappointing,?? said State Representative Aaron Michlewitz. ?A lot of carrots were held out before the neighborhood during 16 years of construction, so I would like to see continued commitment to opening a community center.??

Michlewitz and Boston City Councilor Salvatore LaMattina said they would look for another site for a downtown YMCA.

State officials are currently soliciting public suggestions for a vacant parcel just off the Greenway near the Haymarket transit station, but it is unclear whether a community center would work there.

Rice said the YMCA is not currently considering other downtown sites.

The former Massachusetts official who conceived the original Big Dig construction project suggested that mistakes during construction of the submerged highway may be to blame for the prohibitive costs of building over it. Frederick Salvucci, former transportation secretary under Governor Michael Dukakis, said the construction was designed specifically to ensure that building over the highway ramps was financially feasible.

?This should not have happened,?? Salvucci said. ?But the question now is what you do about it. As long as nothing is built over the ramp parcels, those parts of the Greenway are not going to look like parks to anyone.??

http://www.boston.com/business/arti...s_ymca_cancels_plan_for_new_center/?page=full
 
LOL...that Kairos Shen gem...it wasn't ripped from the Onion, right?

And I can't wait until for the Mighty Six Additional Lunch Trucks to arrive and shut up all the haters who dare to doubt Boston's status as a World Class City.
 
Kairos Shen should be an salesman.

"Now I know this is a broken TV, but let me tell you how great this TV is. It has everything a working TV has, the flat screen, the High Def, the the 60-inch. In fact, the only difference is that the screen doesn't work, but that's alright, you can still hear the sound. It's like having the real thing. Now we just need to figure out how to give you the full television experience."
 
Am I the only one who has thought since the inception of taking down the artery that the ONLY thing should have been an extended financial district to the waterfront?
 
Not sure we need more financial manipulators, since they are the ones who caused the current recession.
 
"Take the case of the YMCA, which dropped plans to build a recreation center on the Greenway mostly because it would have cost too much to cover the underlying highway ramp. ?[The Y] is saying it can?t do that. So the ball is back in the state?s court,? he says. The issue remains open."

? Peter Meade, Greenway Conservancy Board Chairman Boston Magazine, July 2006

?We know much better than we did 10 years ago how this civic space works,?? said Nancy Brennan, the conservancy?s executive director. ?This gives us a fresh opportunity to ask what is the right combination of public art, programming, and structures to make the Greenway the place everyone envisioned.??

? Nancy Brennan, Greenway Conservancy Executive Director, Boston Globe, February 2011
 
?The question now is, how do we make sure there are enough activities on or around the Greenway to bring more people down there??? --Kairos Shen

A: strip joints, pool parlors, sailors dives, a small cannabis district, cafes, commercial gyms --all tucked away on small lots behind walls, and nicely policeable.

A short streetcar line to link it to each station.

Small scale, no fuss; and for heaven's sake, no architecture. The actual physical form could resemble some of those alley mazes just off the Main Street in Gatlinburg.
 
Why are we paying Nancy and her group of crocks money to do nothing? It's absolutely outrageous. They haven't done anything productive and they are getting paid millions. It should be illegal and they should be arrested.
 
Why are we paying Nancy and her group of crocks money to do nothing? It's absolutely outrageous. They haven't done anything productive and they are getting paid millions. It should be illegal and they should be arrested.

Imagine the city wants to add on a GREENWAY TAX to the Business's located around the Greenway.
 
One question I have is: Are these politicians just saying this BS to save face or do they actually believe it. Either way this group needs to disolve. They've done nothing and gotten paid handsomely for it. Pressure needs to get put on Menino.
 
Instead of only complaining (I like complaining about crappy things, but it never amounts to anything on here), maybe we should try to dismantle this atrocious agency? We want to be known and we want to be heard, as we've said in the thread for site improvements. So what steps could WE take in order to take the conservancy down? Do we have to show up to events the mayor is at with bullhorns and start yelling about it? Is there any way we can file some sort of legal action/complaint/anything at all. If we want to improve the city and get some notoriety, I think we need to take something on. And I don't think most of the public realizes how much is going towards a median/grassy lawn/lot.
 
Instead of only complaining (I like complaining about crappy things, but it never amounts to anything on here), maybe we should try to dismantle this atrocious agency? We want to be known and we want to be heard, as we've said in the thread for site improvements. So what steps could WE take in order to take the conservancy down? Do we have to show up to events the mayor is at with bullhorns and start yelling about it? Is there any way we can file some sort of legal action/complaint/anything at all. If we want to improve the city and get some notoriety, I think we need to take something on. And I don't think most of the public realizes how much is going towards a median/grassy lawn/lot.

Agree^^^ But I'm not sure if you been hiding under a rock for the past 2 years our govt officals have just stolen at least 4 Trillion in wealth from the working class and handed it to their friends. You could be sniped for this type of thinking.

But it's a good start. Lets bring up the Liberty Mutual 46 Million dollars in tax benefits.

Somebody call ShirleyKressel and Ned Flaherty to state our case.
 
Instead of only complaining (I like complaining about crappy things, but it never amounts to anything on here), maybe we should try to dismantle this atrocious agency? We want to be known and we want to be heard, as we've said in the thread for site improvements. So what steps could WE take in order to take the conservancy down? Do we have to show up to events the mayor is at with bullhorns and start yelling about it? Is there any way we can file some sort of legal action/complaint/anything at all. If we want to improve the city and get some notoriety, I think we need to take something on. And I don't think most of the public realizes how much is going towards a median/grassy lawn/lot.

If they ever have a public meeting again over the RFKG, just carry signs calling for the dismantling of the agency, firing of Nancy Brennan, and have them return the money they got paid doing nothing back to the city.

Either that or create a webpage calling for the firing of Nancy Brennan (something like firenancybrennan.com) and then constantly google search for it until it rises to the top.

Or better yet, if someone does create a website for that, flood the Boston.com comment section with the link. Those loud-mouth commentors will finally be of some use.
 
Remove half the ramps and fill them so we can build on them. There are far too many ramps now. It should be only an express route in and out of, or bypass of, the downtown - with the ramps located where they make sense urbanistically, not where they are most convenien t for drivers.

Northbound:
Atlantic Ave / Kneeland Street offramp (before tunnel) - maintain
Rowes Wharf onramp - eliminate
North Street offramps - eliminate
Haymarket Sq onramp - maintain

Southbound:
New Chardon St onramp - eliminate (downtown drivers accessing the airport would only use the TWT unless coming from Storrow)
Clinton Street offramp - eliminate
Seaport Blvd offramp - maintain
Dewey Square offramp - eliminate
Essex Street onramp - maintain

Now these ramp parcels will either be eliminated or greatly reduced. Where ramps still exist, a large enough parcel for a building will be created alongside it, with the possibility of that building being cantilevered over the ramp.
 
I don't see that Nancy Brennan or the Conservancy are the reason that the various institutions were unable to build on their parcels.
 
I don't see that Nancy Brennan or the Conservancy are the reason that the various institutions were unable to build on their parcels.

Maybe just really incompentent....... but you really have to start to justify why the taxpayers are funding the Greenway Conservancy?

They had almost 10 Years of planning and they couldn't build ONE PARCEL?
 
No, but it's still border-line useless. They've gotten to the point of saying its actually good (RKG). It's insulting on many levels and in the context of budget cuts neglectful to keep as is.
 
Is the Greenway Conservancy responsible for developing these parcels? If not, why are you blaming them for this failure? Is the (former) Turnpike Authority responsible for the failure of Columbus Center?
 

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