Rose Kennedy Greenway

[Sicilian]

God forbid they use our public spaces -- especially the expensive unused ones -- for the 1st amendment exercises.

Freedom of recreation and peaceable assembly are not a constitutional right on the RKG. In fact, the claim as of last night was that the protesters had encroached on private property.

It doesn't matter that the taxpayer built both Dewey Square and the RKG. As late as midnight, protesters were appealing via Twitter to the Greenway Conservancy for permission to use the space.

As I've pointed out before, the rules change when you cede public rights to private interests.

 

[BostonObserver]

It doesn't matter that the taxpayer built both Dewey Square and the RKG. As late as midnight, protesters were appealing via Twitter to the Greenway Conservancy for permission to use the space.

As I've pointed out before, the rules change when you cede public rights to private interests.

They answer to the king toad too. It's unwise to get on his bad side.

 

[Shepard]

"Civil disobedience will not be tolerated," Boston Mayor Thomas Menino told the local Fox News affiliate in an interview early Tuesday.

 

[Sicilian]

The Boston Globe supports the assertion that the Rose Kennedy Greenway is private property:

The notice informed the group of laws against trespassing on a new patch of the Greenway -- bordered by Congress Street, Atlantic Avenue, Pearl Street, and Purchase Street -- where tents have sprung up since about 4 p.m, and is also private property.

Source

 

[Lurker]

"Civil disobedience will not be tolerated," Boston Mayor Thomas Menino told the local Fox News affiliate in an interview early Tuesday.

Curious why he changed his tune from earlier in the week when a Fox reporter asked about them not having a permit, or following the no camping rules, that every other group (from all ends of the spectrum) has always been held to.

 

[whighlander]

Freedom of recreation and peaceable assembly are not a constitutional right on the RKG. In fact, the claim as of last night was that the protesters had encroached on private property.

It doesn't matter that the taxpayer built both Dewey Square and the RKG. As late as midnight, protesters were appealing via Twitter to the Greenway Conservancy for permission to use the space.

As I've pointed out before, the rules change when you cede public rights to private interests.

Personally, since it is land owned by the Commonpoor's residents and taxpayers -- I think that these rich and self-important protesters should personally pay every citizen for the damage to the site and pay the citizens of Boston for the cost of electricity, water and sewer as well as security and clean-up costs

of course they could just clean-up, police and restore the site at their expense as for example David Mugar's folks do when the immensely larger, and more relevant gathering happens down on the Charles each and every 4th of July

 

[choo]

Personally, since it is land owned by the Commonpoor's residents and taxpayers -- I think that these rich and self-important protesters should personally pay every citizen for the damage to the site and pay the citizens of Boston for the cost of electricity, water and sewer as well as security and clean-up costs

of course they could just clean-up, police and restore the site at their expense as for example David Mugar's folks do when the immensely larger, and more relevant gathering happens down on the Charles each and every 4th of July

Ya, I agree. Freedom of Assembly and the right to petition your government is too expensive. We should just scape those things. That way we don't need to pay cops to do their job, or have a city government in charge of public spaces designed for common use by all people.

 

[TheRifleman]

Curious why he changed his tune from earlier in the week when a Fox reporter asked about them not having a permit, or following the no camping rules, that every other group (from all ends of the spectrum) has always been held to.

They are the biggest hypocrites like the rest of these political hacks.

They play both sides and never actually have their own opinion or beliefs. They only believe in two things GREED & POWER.

 

[whighlander]

Ya, I agree. Freedom of Assembly and the right to petition your government is too expensive. We should just scape those things. That way we don't need to pay cops to do their job, or have a city government in charge of public spaces designed for common use by all people.

Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly are not absolutes

Your freedom of speech is restricted by many ordinances that say for example: No one can drive around after midnight with a loudspeaker on a truck; Nor can you install a ballpark-scale PA system in a residential district and play your favorite music for all the neighborhood

Similarly you can assemble peaceably to protest or support a candidate or an issue -- But when your assembly and march blocks emergency access / egress routes, or when your permanent protest encampment causes the city to be unable to function normally -- then you must accept that their will be consequences

If a million people can come and go peacefully over 24 hours to celebrate the 4th with almost no debris left behind

or several million can celebrate a championship in sports with minimal long-term effects on the city -- why can't the Leftwing occupiers self-police, clean and maintain the sites that they are "occupying" ?

By the way -- another key difference -- the 4th other celebrations applied for, received and complied with permits governing their use of the public realm and didn't damage adjacent private property


The occupiers never applied for any permits -- squatted on public land without any compensation to the taxpayers and when they infringed on the function of the city traffic flow and were requested to move -- they refused to comply

it's time for them to go!

 

[Sicilian]

^whighlander

Do you think the framers of the US Constitution were concerned about plantings and permits?

If we don't protect our rights and the rights of those we disagree with, we all lose those rights. And the resulting society is what the framers were afraid of.

 

[whighlander]

^whighlander

Do you think the framers of the US Constitution were concerned about plantings and permits?

If we don't protect our rights and the rights of those we disagree with, we all lose those rights. And the resulting society is what the framers were afraid of.

There are protests and then there are PROTESTS

Do you think it was appropriate for a mob organized by Sam Adams to ransack and burn the house of Governor Thomas Hutchinson and terrorize his family? --this was over a stamp to be placed on all documents

the Tea Party -- was an appropriate protest -- the protesters mostly through their "performance art / theater" -- made their point about the tax on tea -- and what damage that they did was confined to destroying private goods (Tea0

 

[choo]

So, the crowd in dewey square doesnt seem to be burning houses or even actively destroying private property like the the original tea party that you are holding up as the example. They are on public grounds 24/7. they went on private property, and got arrested.

 

[Ron Newman]

they did not at any time go on private property. They have stayed on the Greenway and sidewalks.

 

[KentXie]

By Whiglanders definition, any homeless person found in any park should be evicted because they did not apply for any permit to squat in it.

 

[HenryAlan]

There are protests and then there are PROTESTS

Do you think it was appropriate for a mob organized by Sam Adams to ransack and burn the house of Governor Thomas Hutchinson and terrorize his family? --this was over a stamp to be placed on all documents

the Tea Party -- was an appropriate protest -- the protesters mostly through their "performance art / theater" -- made their point about the tax on tea -- and what damage that they did was confined to destroying private goods (Tea0

So destruction of private property is okay, destruction of public property isn't? That's essentially what you are saying. Generally, I'd argue that destruction of property is not okay, but I acknowledge sometimes passions get the better of a crowd. The question is whether we are prepared to excuse the passions. Alternatively, how does the damage to property weigh against the damage to free assembly? I'd argue that last night, the damage to free assembly was the greater.

 

[Cojapo]

Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly are not absolutes

Your freedom of speech is restricted by many ordinances that say for example: No one can drive around after midnight with a loudspeaker on a truck; Nor can you install a ballpark-scale PA system in a residential district and play your favorite music for all the neighborhood

Similarly you can assemble peaceably to protest or support a candidate or an issue -- But when your assembly and march blocks emergency access / egress routes, or when your permanent protest encampment causes the city to be unable to function normally -- then you must accept that their will be consequences

If a million people can come and go peacefully over 24 hours to celebrate the 4th with almost no debris left behind

or several million can celebrate a championship in sports with minimal long-term effects on the city -- why can't the Leftwing occupiers self-police, clean and maintain the sites that they are "occupying" ?

By the way -- another key difference -- the 4th other celebrations applied for, received and complied with permits governing their use of the public realm and didn't damage adjacent private property


The occupiers never applied for any permits -- squatted on public land without any compensation to the taxpayers and when they infringed on the function of the city traffic flow and were requested to move -- they refused to comply

it's time for them to go!

I just think this comment is brilliant. Nice work whighlander.

 

[AdamBC]

Greenway in use:

What's going on with the 2nd floor of this building?

 

[BostonUrbEx]

I think it looks pretty cool, I kinda wish we could see pictures of multiple adjacent parcels fully occupied.

 

[Mayor Menino's Crohn's]

they did not at any time go on private property. They have stayed on the Greenway and sidewalks.

This...also this was a peaceful assembly and the protesters only have so much space...where else can they go?

And for the Mayor to claim that he "agrees with the protesters on alot of views" it contradicts his relationship with Gillette, Liberty Mutual...and...wait for it...Bank Of America

 

[Ron Newman]

In that aerial shot, notice that the Occupiers have taken great care to keep the driveway clear. Both so that the farmers' market trucks can continue to use it, and to serve as a 'main street' for the encampment.