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In Boston startup circles, the so-called Innovation District is something of a joke. Many founders cynically call Mayor Thomas Menino?s pet project on the South Boston Waterfront ?the innovation ghetto.? In the scattered buildings among the mud flats, it?s hard to get high-speed Internet, which is kind of a problem for Web startups.

The perception, the infrastructure and the density of the neighborhood all could change, if Babson College sets up a satellite campus there, as the Boston Herald reported this morning.

The Herald report was a little shaky ? quoting no one at Babson, but relying on unnamed sources from competing colleges. But it?s a compelling story nonetheless, because it makes sense. To date, the biggest innovation that?s come to the district has been MassChallenge ? a startup competition that surprised many by actually setting up a highly acclaimed startup incubator in a brand-new (and otherwise nearly empty) office tower on the waterfront.

Of the 110 startups that participated in MassChallenge, 19 came out of Babson.

Menino said last month the city is talking to a university about locating on the Waterfront. It stands to reason Babson?s a likely candidate. The school has one of the highest-rated MBA programs for entrepreneurs in the nation, but it?s all the way out in Wellesley. Being near Route 128 must have been fine in the 1980s, but the region?s high-tech center is shifting.

The action now is in Cambridge and Boston. I suppose Babson could open a campus in Kendall Square ? but the rent is pretty high there, and it?s not considered Cantabridgian to advertise. Fortunately for Babson and Boston, perhaps, Mayor for Life Tom Menino has no such inhibition.
 
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The city really needs to decide if it hates universities. and especially their economic activity generating students, or welcomes universities with open arms as the almighty saviors to failed city policies.
 
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^^Or... they could take a measured approach to the issue. But that might require seeing the world in ways other than absolute black and white.
 
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The city really needs to decide if it hates universities. and especially their economic activity generating students, or welcomes universities with open arms as the almighty saviors to failed city policies.

If history is a guide, the City won't decide for the universities. The universities and/or the commercial real estate market will decide and the Mayor and BRA will follow. If Babson more formally stakes a claim in the Seaport, Menino can rename the district the "University Satellite District" or issue a press announcement that his planning department successfully attracted them to the area. At this point, all the planning we need is a simple exercise in branding -- the "Innovation District" is serving City Hall quite well based on the number of press releases issued, public relations spin doctors hired to operate a 24-hour Twitter feed, and breadcrumbs being tossed around One Marina Park Drive.
 
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The city really needs to decide if it hates universities. and especially their economic activity generating students, or welcomes universities with open arms as the almighty saviors to failed city policies.

Well said
 
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They loves the colleges, hate their students.
 
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I wonder how many of the current residents have actually attended a college and how they behaved as students. I wouldn't be surprised if many, if not most, never attended a school of higher education. Haters gonna hate.
 
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I wonder how many of the current residents have actually attended a college and how they behaved as students. I wouldn't be surprised if many, if not most, never attended a school of higher education. Haters gonna hate.

35.6%

http://www.city-data.com/city/Boston-Massachusetts.html

That seems like quite a few. It's probably not too accurate to view Boston as 645,000 townies. For perspective, here are the numbers for a few other major cities, same source.

New York: 27.4%
Washington: 39.1%
Los Angeles: 25.5%
Houston: 27.1%
San Francisco: 45%
 
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The City of Boston is the second largest employer in the City of Boston.

Most Boston City employees only need a high school diploma to qualify for their positions.

Most Boston City employees make the same amount, if not more money, than college graduates without any student loan burden.

Ergo, no reason for lots of residents to attend a college or university.

Feel like suckers for paying, and going into debt, to attend a school, where you work your ass off and lose several years worth of earning an income, in order to earn the same, if not less, money than city workers, while paying taxes to support the same workers yet? And the politicians can't figure out why any reasons graduates leave.
 
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35%? I would have expected something closer to 60-70%, as this feels like a very educated region. Are people under 18 or 19 excluded from the population before this calculation is made?
 
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I have faith in this part of town and specifically in this street. There was a fair amount of people out around here too.

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Feel like suckers for paying, and going into debt, to attend a school, where you work your ass off and lose several years worth of earning an income, in order to earn the same, if not less, money than city workers, while paying taxes to support the same workers yet? And the politicians can't figure out why any reasons graduates leave.

I don't think many college graduates are looking on in envy at Boston city garbage collectors.
 
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I don't think many college graduates are looking on in envy at Boston city garbage collectors.

Retiring at 55 after making $38/hr with a full pension, for a job that allows one to sleep half the shift, probably isn't looking half bad to all these kids whom are 50-100k in debt and can't find work.
 
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You know Lurker, your statements could be more of a statement about the university-college system as-a-whole than what Boston offers.

Some bloggers and a few forum posts from other sites have put to question of the value of a college education (and I'm a senior at BU). The main pont of the argument goes that while some professions is a necessary (engineers, doctors, lawyers, and etc.) for education well beyond high school. Then there is also the wishing to just enjoy learn more and possibly learn from fame faculty factor.

However, from a jobs perspective, there maybe just not enough professions that actually requires college level education except that many employers are making it a requirement to be considered. Still, that means many are coming out in great debt for jobs many are capable at high school and others are going to college without actually will or desire to truly learn, but only as the "next step in life"(and also leading to a lot of partying).
 
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My point is that the city is actively discouraging the young university educations professionals it so desires to remain in the city by punitively taxing them in order to pay the overly generous salaries of city workers. It's not terribly motivating for young grads to face a horrible job market in an expensive city, and then watch city workers that never went to an institution of higher education make more money than them on their tax money.

Boston actively treats institutions and select companies as ATMs for their bloated empire of nepotism. It absolutely murdered the city's future in the Curley era and if it weren't for the tech boom in the 1980s, and high ranking politicians in Washington to keep the money flowing, Boston would have been looking like Detroit by now. The continued flight of companies to suburban office parks should have been a wakeup call, but the leadership is too tone deaf and greedy to get it.

In this depression, with the current entrenched set of politicians, Boston is dangerously slipping into Curley era corruption and cronyism. We really do not need to have all the institutions and companies say they've had enough of being the mule and paying for someone else's game, followed by a mass migration. Development gimmicks by the Mayor's office and the BRA's penchant for pushing luxury developments, which pay taxes but don't generally require services, 'affordable housing' which is gearing toward buying off votes in specific neighborhoods, and targeted giveaway office projects (everyone's office properties or businesses get taxed higher to give someone else a break) to politically patronizing companies, sure as hell aren't making the city any more attractive to the majority of potential residents/companies. If the rules of the game and the refs are so badly skewed, people stop wanting to play the game.

And people wonder why the Seaport is still a freaking parking lot Disneyland 40 years later!
 
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Retiring at 55 after making $38/hr with a full pension, for a job that allows one to sleep half the shift, probably isn't looking half bad to all these kids whom are 50-100k in debt and can't find work.
It depends on which university you go. Most of the Northeastern friends I know already have a job guaranteed after graduation with the coop company they worked with, and they haven't even graduated. Whether they choose to take it is there choice. You just have to be diligent in finding work. A friend of mines in BU has already been working at a lab for four years and a coworker at my law firm who attends Suffolk Univ is already working 4 jobs and making $30,000+ a year and he's only a senior.
 
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My point is that the city is actively discouraging the young university educations professionals it so desires to remain in the city by punitively taxing them in order to pay the overly generous salaries of city workers. It's not terribly motivating for young grads to face a horrible job market in an expensive city, and then watch city workers that never went to an institution of higher education make more money than them on their tax money.

Boston actively treats institutions and select companies as ATMs for their bloated empire of nepotism. It absolutely murdered the city's future in the Curley era and if it weren't for the tech boom in the 1980s, and high ranking politicians in Washington to keep the money flowing, Boston would have been looking like Detroit by now. The continued flight of companies to suburban office parks should have been a wakeup call, but the leadership is too tone deaf and greedy to get it.

In this depression, with the current entrenched set of politicians, Boston is dangerously slipping into Curley era corruption and cronyism. We really do not need to have all the institutions and companies say they've had enough of being the mule and paying for someone else's game, followed by a mass migration. Development gimmicks by the Mayor's office and the BRA's penchant for pushing luxury developments, which pay taxes but don't generally require services, 'affordable housing' which is gearing toward buying off votes in specific neighborhoods, and targeted giveaway office projects (everyone's office properties or businesses get taxed higher to give someone else a break) to politically patronizing companies, sure as hell aren't making the city any more attractive to the majority of potential residents/companies. If the rules of the game and the refs are so badly skewed, people stop wanting to play the game.

And people wonder why the Seaport is still a freaking parking lot Disneyland 40 years later!

Good post. This is exactly how I see Boston being run. If it wasn't for the institutions we would defintely be living in Detriot. Everyday somebody is killed in Mattapan, Roxbury, Dorchester. Those areas are a DUMP. Our Mayor has all his energy focused on Downtown business's or the college areas to find ways to swindled some money into the ctiy coffers.
Nobody in their right mind would raise a family being in debt over 100k in college loans in the city. These are the responsible people of our society.

Lets see if Menino doesn't get his way with Taxes, BID, Non-Profits contributions, 6.25 Sales tax. Then he will cut services to the areas that actually pay their taxes in full and then sum. This fat guy is a piece of work.

Once our govt actually cuts the stimilus programs, quantive easing bullshit, Boston will be no different than California heading off a cliff towards bankruptcy because of the bloated pensions. It's only a matter of time.

Menino would be very wise to jump ship next term because I would say that the Piper is coming home for payment. Notice how many of his officials have left their post this year. Didn't the city Controller just leave?
 
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My town section of the globe.
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/bost...k_for_south_boston/?p1=HP_Well_YourTown_links



IT?S NOT that you can?t get to Broadway from the South Boston waterfront. It?s just a pain. The roads connecting the two weren?t designed to make the trip easy. They were designed to insulate one end of the neighborhood from the other. Nowhere is that truer than on D Street.

ShareThis D Street is the major conduit running between the Seaport?s piers, office buildings, and hotels, and South Boston?s residential streets. The wide street turns one-way for a short stretch south of West First Street, effectively blocking all traffic traveling from the Seaport to Broadway. For drivers traveling from the new section of South Boston to the old one, D Street sends a simple message. That one-way sign might as well be a moat.

Traffic can?t run from one end of D Street to the other because of the giant building sitting between Broadway and the waterfront, the Boston Convention and Exhibition Center. Boston Mayor Tom Menino led the push to plunk the convention center in South Boston as a way of spurring construction on the waterfront?s massive undeveloped acreage. But South Boston officials feared the convention center would shatter their neighborhood, so they designed it to stand apart from the neighborhood.

The building?s back end, which faces the neighborhood, is ringed by parking lots and fences. Legislation forbade the construction of any new hotels south of the convention center?s Summer Street front door. That clause steered development away from Broadway, and toward the waterfront, leaving a buffer of underused industrial plots between the convention center and the surrounding neighborhood.

That?s about to change. State and city officials announced plans for an ambitious expansion last year, and since then, a blueprint has been fleshed out by a panel of public officials and business leaders.

The panel still has months of deliberations ahead of it, but two major shifts have already become apparent. First, D Street will be transformed from a buffer into a development hub that will link the convention center and the waterfront to the residential neighborhood on the street?s other end. Second, the neighborhood has an appetite to support such a transformation.

Expansion plans always envisioned expanding the facility westward, with construction over the Haul Road linking the convention center to Fort Point. But the convention center?s architects recently concluded that building over the Haul Road isn?t feasible.

Now there is talk not just about building on D Street, but also about creating a second front door for the convention center on the street, transforming a now-lifeless industrial corridor into a hub of activity. This expansion would address the surrounding streets in the same way that the front door on Summer Street embraces the waterfront. And, convention center and city officials hope, it would spur a wave of private construction activity up and down D Street.

This development scheme would redefine the the convention center?s relationship with South Boston, and it would necessarily involve the repeal of the south-of-Summer hotel ban. It would erase architecture and infrastructure that were put in place to isolate the convention center from residential neighborhoods nearby, and transform it into a bridge connecting the still-developing Seaport to Broadway.

The Boston Redevelopment Authority strongly supports enlivening D Street, even though doing so would fly in the face of all the planning that threw up barriers between the neighborhood and the convention center. As it turns out, neither side has much use for those barriers anymore.

Michael Flaherty, a former city councilor and South Boston native, says much has changed in the 15-plus years since the convention center was designed. Back then, Flaherty argues, South Boston residents were ?rightfully cautious?? about the prospect of being overrun by traffic. The intervening years have shown that the convention center, and the waterfront hotels and restaurants serving it, aren?t just good neighbors, but also powerful employers.

?A lot has changed in 15 years, but a lot hasn?t changed, particularly on D Street,?? Flaherty said. ?We need to connect residents to the hope and opportunity on the waterfront, and connect the haves and the have-nots. D Street is the gateway.??

Paul McMorrow is an associate editor at CommonWealth magazine. His column appears regularly in the Globe.
 

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