Seaport Neighborhood - Infill and Discussion

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HenryAlan said:
Yeah, that's funny, but totally not what I was saying. The complaint was that Boston doesn't have indoor community pools, and the response is that it does. Just because the examples cited were in JP and Rozzie doesn't mean those are the only pools. There probably should be one in the Seaport if the housing is built. But it's not as though such a thing is non-existent in Boston.
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No, actually there wasn't a complaint.

Jass put forward the idea of a pool / community center on the Seaport. Posters directed Jass to consider the fact that there were pools in other neighborhoods including Roslindale.

After my comment that there would be 27-30m square feet and 10,000 residents in the Seaport over the next century, responses regarding a Fire Dept also claimed that neighboring communities (and the Boston Fire Museum) could handle the demands of 27-30 million square feet of new development.

And that's where my sarcasm came in.

I personally think advance planning and concurrent development of civic spaces such as a community center with a pool on the Seaport are wise ideas, not something that gets considered "if the housing is built."
 
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Honestly I didnt know that there were multiple pools in Boston, but that doesnt change the fact that we need more. We need recreation spaces that arent just strips of grass fulfilling open space requirements.

How about another "work out beach" for example, like the one on the esplanade?
 
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Article on the 2nd to last page of today's Metro.

The lowdown on Seaport Square

BOSTON
LINDA LABAN
Published: October 26, 2010 7:13 p.m.
Last modified: October 26, 2010 7:17 p.m.


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Street view of Seaport Square?s proposed shopping and residential area.


There have been many changes in South Boston this century, especially in the harbor area. Up popped a luxury apartment or condo building here and there, along came new bars, restaurants, and even hotels. There was the new Boston Convention & Exhibition Center and, before that, the stunning ICA, too. It all unfolded gently, spreading out from the piers to Fort Point, slowly creating what is now known as the South Boston Waterfront.

But the most significant change is yet to come. Next spring, ground will be broken on the massive 23-acre Seaport Square development, which will blanket Seaport Boulevard, across from Fan Pier and the Moakley Courthouse, with residences, offices, shops, and entertainment venues. One of the businesses excited by added foot traffic is the Seaport Hotel and Seaport World Trade Center. ?From what I know about the project, Seaport Square sounds like a good addition to the area,? says James M. Carmody, vice president and general manager.

It took almost four years of planning, but this summer the Boston Redevelopment Authority approved the project, which is overseen by Boston Global Investors LLC, Morgan Stanley, and W/S Development Associates, LLC. ?This neighborhood is already thriving with new restaurants and office tenants,? adds Carmody. ?The addition of Seaport Square should only further enhance an already exciting neighborhood.?

Relocate the Good Voyage
Seaport Square will occupy what is currently pay parking lots ?it will include 6,000 parking spaces ? and the only building standing in the way of the construction is the quaint Chapel of Our Lady of Good Voyage, which will be relocated. One unavoidable loss is the open space and harbor views, which within five years will vanish ? though perhaps not to Seaport Square?s penthouse residents.
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?This neighborhood is already thriving with new restaurants and office tenants,? adds Carmody. ?The addition of Seaport Square should only further enhance an already exciting neighborhood.?

LOL!
 
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^^^ Thriving no, but Atlantic Beer Garden has allways been very busy every time I go by.
 
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Re: the rendering ^ - where would urban planning be without the horticultured median strip?
 
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Ah yes, the sweet smell of 6,000 new parking spots.

Why hasnt that been sued away yet?
 
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6,000 parking spaces... but we've got a bus that can hold up to 96 people*, that makes it better... right?

(* I'm not sure I know what Neoplan was thinking when it quoted 96 passengers)
 
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Is 6000 the number of surface parking spaces there now? Is this just a one-for-one replacement of those spaces into garages?
 
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Ron, ~3,700 spaces exist now; ~6,000 would exist then, net add of ~2,300.
 
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JohnAKeith said:
Ron, ~3,700 spaces exist now; ~6,000 would exist then, net add of ~2,300.
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That's obscene.

Boston is doing its best to be like the cities that are trying to be more like Boston. More cars. More parking. Roadways that discourage pedestrian life.

Mass transit in the Seaport is just lip service. It invokes the idea of mass transit, but doesn't really offer much.
 
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I wonder if this will ever look anything other than... blocky. Note the MacAllen building chilling on the far right.

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JohnAKeith said:
Ron, ~3,700 spaces exist now; ~6,000 would exist then, net add of ~2,300.
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I'm not a big fan of parking spaces, but I also get that they serve a purpose, and are part of the overall transportation puzzle. So the question for me, is to what extent this 2,300 is there to satisfy demand created by all the seaport development intended to come with the garages? How many additional office workers will come to this area? How many new residents will need a space for the car they use on weekends? My sense is that the scope of development could easily justify this many additional parking spaces while still significantly sparking greater public transit utilization.
 
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stick n move said:
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This is a cool rendering. What is the difference between red and blue? is one permitted, one not? Or is there something more to it? Also, do you know if there are any larger versions of the picture? I'd love to zoom in on this.
 
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Dark red is proposed/in construction at the time of the rendering (hence Atlantic wharf, fan pier, etc.). I believe blue is approved...and light red is proposed (hence Aquarium Garage site) but I'm not sure about those.
 
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The BCEC is a waste of space. With the convention authority clamoring for more hotels, why not build them on top of the convention center? Is there a reason nobody's proposed building upwards from this structure?
 
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Is it structurally able to hold additional floors?
 
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I hate that damn convention center...It should have been kept mostly underground like the one in SF and respected the street grid. It's like a dead zone in the ocean where no fish or organism can survive.
 
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Hutchison said:
Dark red is proposed/in construction at the time of the rendering (hence Atlantic wharf, fan pier, etc.). I believe blue is approved...and light red is proposed (hence Aquarium Garage site) but I'm not sure about those.
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Aha, that makes sense. So this was drawn during that brief period that Columbus Center was under construciton.

Shepard said:
The BCEC is a waste of space. With the convention authority clamoring for more hotels, why not build them on top of the convention center? Is there a reason nobody's proposed building upwards from this structure?
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That would make too much sense. I wonder also about the empty space surrounding it. Is that really needed for staging purposes? And if so, couldn't we at least build hotels on stilts above the staging areas?
 
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