Seaport Neighborhood - Infill and Discussion

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This is NOT the sausage hotel; it's an existing building at 368 Congress Street.

]Extended-Stay Hotel Proposed For Boston?s Fort Point Channel

An environmentally-friendly extended-stay hotel project has been submitted for approval in the Fort Port Channel neighborhood of Boston.

The project, submitted by Colliers Meredith & Grew on behalf of Norwich Partners of Boston LLC, was originally proposed to be a commercial office building that was approved by the Boston Redevelopment Authority on April 1, 2008. The new extended-stay hotel project fits in with the city's implemented Innovation District initiative, according to the notice of project change.

The proposed hotel would be 103,000 gross square feet and six floors, including one-half story below grade, according to the filing. It would contain 120 studio and one-bedroom guest suites along with around 14 on-site parking spaces.

Benefits of the proposed hotel project would include the creation of 200 construction jobs, 15 permanent jobs and streetscape improvements to Congress Street, Thomson Place and Stillings Street, according to the filing. A retail and restaurant space would also be constructed within the hotel.
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Instead of more parks, how about some actual recreational facilities. Like an indoor aquatic center. DC has 5 and they're amazing.
 
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jass said:
Instead of more parks, how about some actual recreational facilities. Like an indoor aquatic center. DC has 5 and they're amazing.
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You should move to JP, I've got two within walking distance.....
 
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Pierce said:
You should move to JP, I've got two within walking distance.....
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And there's another in Roslindale, and no doubt more throughout other neighborhoods. I'm willing to bet more than five.
 
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^Pierce

If all goes according to plan, 5000 residential units (2500 north of Summer St., 2500 south of Summer St in Fort Point) will host upwards of 10,000 residents by 2050.

An array of civic spaces such as jass imagines, among others including a police station, fire station, possibly even a public school, should be in the mix of uses. Those uses are common in downtown Manhattan, no suburb.

Should plans for year 2050 suggest that 10,000 residents would be expected to drive to a community center in Jamaica Plain and Roslindale?
 
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This area is more than adequately covered by police and fire. The South Boston police station is approximately ten blocks away on West Broadway and there are fire stations within a 10-15 block radius north on Atlantic Ave, south on D Street and slightly further, west on Harrison behind the cathedral. If anything, they ought to be paring the department further down as fires decrease and costs escalate.
 
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At full build, upwards of 30 million SF in the Seaport, I think your mistaken with respect to the capacity of existing police and fire.

Yesterday at around 5:00 PM, alarms went off at 300 Summer Street. I walked over to 300 Summer for a gallery opening. The residents had already been waiting for no less than 20 minutes for the firetrucks to arrive -- I stood there for 15 of the 20 minutes. I walked down to South Station and could hear the Downtown firetrucks working their way through traffic. They had not reached Summer Street by the time I crossed High Street. The facts I describe here are EXACTLY accurate.

And you are suggesting an entire mini-city of 27-30m additional square feet can be built without further support of police, fire, etc?
 
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Boston Fire Museum at 344 Congress Street used to be a real fire station -- maybe it should go back to being one?

On the other hand, the nearest fire station is pretty close -- Purchase Street, a block north of South Station.
 
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30 Million SF of development.

The Fire Museum can handle it.

10,000 residents?

Send the folks to Roslindale for a swim and the kids can take the Silver Line to school.

Right.
 
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As I said, there's the one by South Station, Harrison Ave, D Street, plus another on East Fourth that isn't terribly far. With the tunnel East Boston's firehouses are close also. Let's face it Boston's a small city, it's not going to take that long for a fire truck to get over the bridge or go ten or twelve blocks from D Street. Thanks to modern construction, gentrification and stringent fire codes the fire department is not going non-stop with fire activity. Most of what they do is medical responses and tripped alarms. In either situation, they're rarely on scene for more than twenty minutes before it's back to the house for a well-earned nap. In fact according to a Globe article back during the contract negotiations it was reported that there are some firehouses in the city that respond to less than three calls in an average 24-hour period. That's two hours max of actual work per day, and that's a very liberal assessment.
 
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I'm not going to push back on the fire dept. issue, particularly because I don't know the demands of 27m of square feet. Maybe you are correct in your assessment, kmp1284.

But I do sense here and in the response to jass that there continues to be an underlying tension between private development and the ordinary civic uses that should be anticipated in advance of development, with a goal to maximize the value and potential of all properties in the district.

In my earlier post a few days ago, in response to Shepard, I made the point that the appreciation of land values on the Seaport due to taxpayer investment and rezoning make the economics of a complex plan of land uses entirely possible.
 
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Pierce said:
You should move to JP, I've got two within walking distance.....
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The hours are lame, they charge, and the pool is probably small.

And people need amenities at walking distance, not across town. Theres no public pool (that I know of) anywhere near downtown or fenway, never mind the parking lot district.



This is what I had 3 blocks away in DC.

To the left of the picture is a kids area, with a shallow pool and fountains and stuff.

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Upstairs, a gym and a dance room.

All free to DC residents.

Decent hours too:
Mon-Fri 6:00am - 9:00pm
Sat,Sun 9:00am-5:00pm

And actually, there are 9 now.
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Boston has free ice skating rings, but we need more types of activities.
 
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jass said:
And people need amenities at walking distance, not across town. Theres no public pool (that I know of) anywhere near downtown or fenway, never mind the parking lot district
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Downtown has pools close by in the North End and West End. Fenway has the YMCA, NU & BU (community hours I think).

Now if you live in my neighborhood, well I can't think of any public options. Ditto for Back Bay. Perhaps the Pru needs a public pool?
 
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Lurker said:
Downtown has pools close by in the North End and West End. Fenway has the YMCA, NU & BU (community hours I think).

Now if you live in my neighborhood, well I can't think of any public options. Ditto for Back Bay. Perhaps the Pru needs a public pool?
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Where is the north end pool? I know of the ice rink, baseball fields, tennis courts etc, but havent seen a pool.

BU pool is very restrictive to the public, you have to register and jump through many hoops. No idea about NU.
 
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Boston Sports Club on Harrison Ave has a pool ... if you can afford the monthly fee
 
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jass said:
The hours are lame, they charge, and the pool is probably small.
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1. true
2. true, but only nominally
3. it's plenty long but only three lanes wide at Curtis Hall, Hennigan I don't know but I will soon now that curtis hall is closed for renovations for the next year
 
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Sicilian said:
10,000 residents?

Send the folks to Roslindale for a swim and the kids can take the Silver Line to school.

Right.
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Yeah, that's funny, but totally not what I was saying. The complaint was that Boston doesn't have indoor community pools, and the response is that it does. Just because the examples cited were in JP and Rozzie doesn't mean those are the only pools. There probably should be one in the Seaport if the housing is built. But it's not as though such a thing is non-existent in Boston.
 
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There's a pool in the YMCA that they built over the highway ramps at the Rose Kennedy Greenway. What a beautiful building that turned out to be . . .
 
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