Seaport Neighborhood - Infill and Discussion

It wasn't an afterthought, but a necessary evil due to the structural density of the building (LOTS OF BRACING), and the demands of the program. On the top floor two large galleries flank the central space which is an open atrium with the stairs at the back, glass elevator at the center and a connecting corridor at the front. If you want an idea of how compact things had to be, check out the minimal clearance in the fire stairs when she finally opens and pay close attention to the hallway parallel to the theater space. This left very little space for the mechanical components in the center of the building. To get from one side of the main mechanical room to the other without exiting and using a second door which is next to the only stairs up to the roof. One would have be REALLY skinny and crawl under some piping from hell. Everything had to be compacted as much as possible to fit a large program into a relatively small building, so there was little choice but to utilize the roof. A two man team, who really deserve a vacation, a raise, and a medal, have been doing the c-docs for this project for the past 2-3 years and one can't really ask for anything more than the insane amount of effort they've already put in.
 
Maybe they should punch some holes in the steam pipes and hide the mechanicals in a 'blur'?

justin
 
justin said:
Maybe they should punch some holes in the steam pipes and hide the mechanicals in a 'blur'?

justin

I see what you did there.
8)
 
New destination dining: South Boston Seaport

By Alison Arnett and Thomas C. Palmer Jr., Globe Staff | October 15, 2006


As the sprawling South Boston Seaport district begins to fill out Boston's skyline, one thing is certain: No one will be in danger of going hungry.

From California trendy to sophisticated French cuisine to Brazilian-style grilled meats, at least 60 restaurants could fill the blocks of the Seaport and adjacent Fort Point Channel neighborhood.

About 20 restaurants are open, or will soon be, including an as-yet unnamed one by chef Mark Allen, owner of Newton restaurant Le Soir, who expects to have his new place on Congress Street open by next spring. While many of the others are in the conceptual stage, real estate and restaurant industry people expect most of them will get built because developers of the large projects in the Seaport are reserving spaces in their proposed buildings for places to eat.

On Fan Pier, for example, developer Joseph F. Fallon has space for five restaurants, while across Northern Avenue, developer John B. Hynes III has sketched plans for six.

The restaurants are taking on a certain style that fits their new locations. In the Seaport, with its expansive blocks and contemporary buildings sited for water views, the planned restaurants will tend to be sleek and modern, probably large, and possibly will include national restaurants such as Fleming's Prime Steakhouse. Restaurants in hotels, such as Georges Bank in the Renaissance Boston Waterfront Hotel, Legal C-Bar and Grill in the new Westin Boston Waterfront Hotel, and several others will be geared toward conventioneers and tourists, as well as locals.

In the Fort Point area, a neighborhood of 19th-century brick buildings in a tighter, more intimate street pattern, the restaurant and retail spaces will more resemble the South End, with its mix of small and larger eating places. Joanne Chang, owner of the South End's Flour Bakery & Cafe, plans a second on Farnsworth Street, to open in December. No. 9 Park's Barbara Lynch plans three ``concepts" in a Congress Street development.

When completed, the combined Seaport-Fort Point area could become Boston's biggest dining destination. It already has the Boston Convention & Exhibition Center, the new home of the Institute of Contemporary Art is scheduled to open as soon as next month, and several hotels have opened or are under development.

But this won't be solely a playground for tourists and conventioneers. Boston city officials have for years said they want the area to be for locals, too, and have pushed for mixed-use projects that will add residents, office workers, and shoppers by the thousands. Among Fallon, Hynes, and other developers there are some $6 billion worth of office buildings, residences, hotels, and retail facilities coming to the district.

The restaurants should add to the area's liveliness, much like Back Bay hums both day and evening. ``Landlords are trying to attract people to the area," said Michela Larson, co-owner of Rialto in Cambridge and blu , near Downtown Crossing. ``If you put restaurants there, they will come."

The new Park Lane Seaport apartment building has a Legal Test Kitchen restaurant . By early next year, Salvatore's, a mid-priced Italian restaurant, will be open, along with several smaller places. The Institute of Contemporary Art will offer California-style cuisine at Wolfgang Puck's Water Cafe when the museum opens. And by next year, the Legal C-Bar and Grill -- what restaurateur Roger Berkowitz calls ``an oyster bar on steroids" -- will open in the Westin hotel, where Sauciety is open.

The flurry of interest by restaurant owners marks a turning point in the area, said Pat Paladino, vice president of the real estate firm Meredith & Grew/Oncor. ``One or two groups take the plunge in the market, and it starts to legitimize it." Then the area becomes ``a dining destination," he said.

Several of the area stalwarts also are making plans. The Athanas family, owners of the iconic Anthony's Pier 4, intends to open a new version of the restaurant on the narrow parcel where the current Anthony's sits.

``There will always be an Anthony's Pier 4," said Paul Athanas, youngest son of the late Anthony Athanas, probably in a new building that is part of a $400 million mixed-use complex on the pier.

And the Doulos family, which ran Jimmy's for three generations until its closing earlier this year, has a deal with Cresset Development LLC of Boston to open a new Jimmy's in a modern two-story building in the old location, said Kim Doulos, granddaughter of the founder. The Doulos family has an agreement with McCormick & Schmick's Seafood Restaurants to manage Jimmy's jointly, she said. The new building also would have room for additional restaurants.

``We are absolutely 100 percent coming back," she said. The familiar ``neon sign is in storage as we speak."

People who work in the neighborhood say they're starved for good eating alternatives. Sandra Shapiro, a partner at law firm Foley Hoag LLP in the World Trade Center West building, said new restaurants cannot come soon enough.

She's hoping that empty spaces in her building and an adjoining one are soon filled with locally owned restaurants. ``I really don't want another offshoot of a national chain," she said.

Some restaurant entrepreneurs are debating whether they should be among the first in an area with few diners right now -- or wait for competitors to settle the district and risk paying higher rents.

Berkowitz, for example, said his company made the right move in being among the first new restaurants to settle in the neighborhood, and said Legal Test Kitchen has surpassed Legal's expectations.

``If I waited a year and a half, we wouldn't have been able to strike the same deal" on the lease with Fallon, he said.

Others said there is no need to rush, as it probably will take years for there to be enough people to live or work in the area to support many restaurants.

``Everybody's worried it's still two years out before the young professionals move in," said Charles M. Perkins, whose Boston Restaurant Group brokers restaurant space.

Joe Sciolla, managing principal at the brokerage Cresa Partners Boston Inc., also is skeptical. He thinks it might be five to seven years before a new office tower is built in the area, a needed magnet. ``I don't think residential is going to be the key driver for more restaurants," he said. ``I think you need to have that consistent workforce."

Rents for restaurants are about $35 a square foot-- half of what restaurants would pay in Back Bay, Boston's premier dining area -- but are expected to rise as the area gets built out.

And as they do, the higher rents may to some degree determine the type of restaurants that can afford to locate in the Seaport and Fort Point Channel areas. National chains or well-financed local chefs with a record of drawing crowds, will be likelier to afford high rents than smaller, more intimate restaurants or startups by chefs who have yet to make a name for themselves.

Fallon, who also developed the 465-unit Park Lane, discovered through surveys that people in the neighborhood lamented the loss of several modestly priced restaurants like Jimbo's Fish Shanty. Fallon said the restaurants going into his development, including Legal Test Kitchen, where the entrees range from $13 to about $20, and Salvatore's are reasonably priced.

As more restaurants sign on to a waterfront future, there may be fewer bargains in menu prices and lease rates. Berkowitz recently paid the Doulos family more than $200,000 for the liquor license for his upcoming Legal C. But being on the water may outrank any other concerns, he said.

``Anything right on the water can't help but be expensive," Berkowitz said.


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Wolfgang Puck, ICA - Lame!


Very few chain restaurants, at least the map doesn't show any that I recognize
 
Fresh City is a small, mostly local, chain (and is fast-food, despite the note at the bottom left of the map). Legal is a local chain. Some of the other restaurants might have one or two other locations elsewhere in the city; I don't know for sure.

Why is Wolfgang Puck 'lame' ?
 
The ICA should feature No Name fish chowda, it is very retro. :wink:

...plus, it's damn good!
 
Real-life monopoly game: Hotels vie for Fan Pier site
By Scott Van Voorhis
Boston Herald Business Reporter
Saturday, December 9, 2006


Some of the most exclusive hotel companies in the world are competing for a chance to set up shop on Boston?s waterfront.

At least four high-end hotel chains are jockeying for a spot in the Fan Pier project, the long-planned centerpiece of efforts to redevelop Boston?s harborfront, industry executives said.

Veteran developer Joseph Fallon, who bought the South Boston development site last year for $115 million, is overseeing what has evolved into a full-bore competition among hotel chains for a place in the project, executives familiar with the process said.

In the mix are a number of prestigious domestic hotel brands, and an exotic, five-star Asian competitor called Shangri-La.

New York-based Starwood Hotels is a leading contender to plant one of its flags on Fan Pier. Both its St. Regis and W brands are in contention.

The Four Seasons is also a candidate, executives said.

The luxury hotel flag that wins the Fan Pier sweepstakes will get to put its name on a centerpiece condo/hotel high-rise, featuring posh, multimillion-dollar units that come with the services of the planet?s best hotels.

The condo units themselves could very well become the most expensive ever built in Boston, beating out even the Back Bay?s Mandarin Oriental, another hotel/condo tower bearing the name of an Asian luxury flag, argues David Begelfer, who runs the local trade group for the development industry.

That project near the Prudential tower features a $14.3 million sale, though the would-be buyer Pritam Singh is suing to get out of the deal. The Fan Pier site offers panoramic views of Boston?s skyline and harbor, all within a short walk of the Financial District.

Fallon could not be reached for comment.

?He (Fallon) is going to hit the top sales price for condominiums,? said Begelfer, head of the National Association of Industrial and Office Properties. ?With the kinds of views they have there, it is the height of desirability.?

Lori Lincoln, a spokeswoman for Hong Kong-based Shangri-La, said the hotel does not comment on possible deals, but Boston is definitely high on the company?s list of cities in the United States it wants to be in.

?Boston is one of the cities that is on our target list,? she said.



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vanshnookenraggen said:
South Boston Waterfront? More like South Boston Vegas Strip.
Actually, it does an excellent impersonation of San Diego.

Too timid to be mistaken for Vegas.
 
Fresh City is a small

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yes, there's one in Warwick, Rhode Island
 
The Globe said:
Seafood eatery Jimmy's braces for demolition

By Thomas C. Palmer Jr., Globe Staff | January 9, 2007

Jimmy's Harborside R estaurant, a Boston institution on the waterfront that featured its name in big red lights outside, and a bar fashioned from an old boat inside, will be torn down beginning today.

The demolition will make way for a new development that could include as many as four restaurants, possibly even a revived Jimmy's, which closed New Year's Eve 2005 after 50 years in a former warehouse building next to the Fish Pier.

"Oh, my gosh, I think it's the end of an era," said Vivien Li, the executive director of the nonprofit Boston Harbor Association.

Jimmy's is one of several properties in the neighborhood that has changed hands in the last few years, as long-promised development is finally happening in the Seaport District.

"We're going to see much more aggressive property owners moving forward to bring more people down to the waterfront," Li said.

The Massachusetts Port Authority, which owns the property, is poised to sign a 75-year lease with developer Cresset Group of Boston, which is assembling a building team, and is talking to several restaurateurs.

"I think by summer we'll have hopefully set the primary players in place," said Cresset president Ed Nardi.

Jimmy's used to be the kind of restaurant where families treated themselves, or gave out-of- town guests a taste of Boston seafood. It was known as "Home of the Chowder King." In 1966, "Fancy Jumbo Shrimp a la Greque" was on the menu for $3.50. Founder Jimmy Doulos was 17 when he first opened his restaurant, then called the Liberty Cafeteria, to serve fishermen in 1924.

But times and tastes changed. Large, old-fashioned restaurants such as Jimmy's have been eclipsed by trendy establishments, and the working waterfront is fast converting to a district of tourist-heavy uses.

So the big question is whether there is a home for Jimmy's at its old haunt? Kim Doulos, granddaughter of founder, could not be reached to comment yesterday, but has previously pledged to reopen the family business.

Nardi, however, offered no guarantees. "We have a general understanding of how they would come back in, but there is still a ways to go," the developer said.

Whether the third generation of the Doulos family returns or not, the location -- next to where Mayor Thomas M. Menino recently said he wants to build a new City Hall -- will not lack for tenants.

"The space will not come cheaply," said Lowell L. Richards III, chief development officer at Massport.

Demolition will take several months, as the two-story, 35,900-square-foot building and wooden deck over the water's edge are removed. The 473 wooden pilings, being consumed by the marine wood borer known as Limnoria Tripunctata, will be cut off at the mud line. The late-1800s granite seawall will also be inspected.

Several hundred steel-reinforced concrete pilings will be installed, Nardi said, and two restaurant buildings -- along with a new section of the Boston Harborwalk -- will be built on top. One building is expected to be four stories high, the other two levels, possibly with a roof deck.

While no designs of the new structure are yet available, Richards said "glass will be favored from our perspective. We clearly want the design to be noteworthy."

Across Northern Avenue is the Park Lane Seaport residences, where developer Joseph F. Fallon intends to have three to four restaurants, including the already open -- and often crowded -- Legal Test Kitchen.

"Just like the area was known as restaurant row," said Richards, "we'll have at least seven distinct eating opportunities, which is wonderful."

Thomas C. Palmer Jr. can be reached at tpalmer@globe.com.
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Hynes may be victim of mayoral mugging
By Scott Van Voorhis
Boston Herald Business Reporter
Friday, January 19, 2007 - Updated: 09:52 AM EST

Boston?s legendarily hypersensitive mayor may have found a new target: Hub tower builder John Hynes.
The developer behind a pair of key Boston megaprojects, Hynes has appeared in far too many articles - many of them mine, I confess - for the mayor?s liking.
That, anyway, is the word from some sharp-eyed observers of Boston development, who naturally don?t want their names revealed for fear of mayoral retaliation.
Hynes, the son of former Boston newscaster John Hynes and grandson of a revered Boston mayor, may be in for a not-so-rare treat.
The full Menino.
That means phone calls that are not returned and a sudden slowdown in how City Hall reviews your plans.
?When you are mayor, in this town, you are king,? said one City Hall insider.
There are already troubling signs. Hynes, after initially pledging to file plans by year?s end for a grand new high-rise neighborhood on South Boston?s waterfront, says that may be another three months away. The developer says the slower pace is his own, though he acknowledges pushback from city officials as well.
It?s an unfortunate beef to have. Hynes is at the center of a pair of projects key to Boston?s future - the redevelopment of the city?s mothballed retail anchor, the downtown Filene?s complex, and the buildout of the waterfront.
Menino wasn?t talking yesterday, but Dot Joyce, Menino?s press secretary, said she is unaware of any bad blood, and that her boss talks ?highly? of Hynes.
For his part, Hynes denies any rift with the mayor, though he acknowledges a recent misstep.
The developer, who is looking to build a new mini-city of condos and offices on South Boston?s waterfront near Pier 4, went public last month at a major downtown real estate conference with a rendering of his plans before the mayor saw it. Hynes had briefed City Hall?s development arm, thinking officials there would pass on the plans to the mayor.
They hadn?t.
Then there was Hynes? off-the-cuff, restaurant napkin proposal to city development officials for a blockbuster land trade.
Hynes? pitch: I?ll give you part of my 23-acre tract on the waterfront if you give me that prime downtown site where City Hall sits.
The mayor, who has already announced plans to sell off City Hall, could build a new one next door to the federal courthouse and not far from South Station. Probably a superior location to the more remote pier farther down the waterfront Menino had chosen.
Great idea, right? Not at City Hall, where it was seen as undercutting the mayor.
All of which may be a symptom of a larger problem, a cultural clash between one of the city?s most dynamic developers and an imperial mayor.
If Hynes is indeed in Menino?s crosshairs, history isn?t all that encouraging.
Just ask Frank McCourt, the former owner of the waterfront land Hynes wants to build out. McCourt spent years talking up his plans for the waterfront and grabbing the limelight.
And McCourt spent years sitting on a swath of undeveloped parking lots, unable to get so much as a hot-dog stand approved in a City Hall where he was derisively called the ?parking attendant.?
As more than one ambitious builder has learned, there is actually something bigger in Boston than Tommy?s Tower, Menino?s proposal for a 1,000-foot tower.
Tommy?s Temper.
 
awood91 said:
Hynes may be victim of mayoral mugging
By Scott Van Voorhis
Boston Herald Business Reporter
Friday, January 19, 2007 - Updated: 09:52 AM EST

Boston?s legendarily hypersensitive mayor may have found a new target: Hub tower builder John Hynes.
The developer behind a pair of key Boston megaprojects, Hynes has appeared in far too many articles - many of them mine, I confess - for the mayor?s liking.
That, anyway, is the word from some sharp-eyed observers of Boston development, who naturally don?t want their names revealed for fear of mayoral retaliation.
Hynes, the son of former Boston newscaster John Hynes and grandson of a revered Boston mayor, may be in for a not-so-rare treat.
The full Menino.
That means phone calls that are not returned and a sudden slowdown in how City Hall reviews your plans.
?When you are mayor, in this town, you are king,? said one City Hall insider.
There are already troubling signs. Hynes, after initially pledging to file plans by year?s end for a grand new high-rise neighborhood on South Boston?s waterfront, says that may be another three months away. The developer says the slower pace is his own, though he acknowledges pushback from city officials as well.
It?s an unfortunate beef to have. Hynes is at the center of a pair of projects key to Boston?s future - the redevelopment of the city?s mothballed retail anchor, the downtown Filene?s complex, and the buildout of the waterfront.
Menino wasn?t talking yesterday, but Dot Joyce, Menino?s press secretary, said she is unaware of any bad blood, and that her boss talks ?highly? of Hynes.
For his part, Hynes denies any rift with the mayor, though he acknowledges a recent misstep.
The developer, who is looking to build a new mini-city of condos and offices on South Boston?s waterfront near Pier 4, went public last month at a major downtown real estate conference with a rendering of his plans before the mayor saw it. Hynes had briefed City Hall?s development arm, thinking officials there would pass on the plans to the mayor.
They hadn?t.
Then there was Hynes? off-the-cuff, restaurant napkin proposal to city development officials for a blockbuster land trade.
Hynes? pitch: I?ll give you part of my 23-acre tract on the waterfront if you give me that prime downtown site where City Hall sits.
The mayor, who has already announced plans to sell off City Hall, could build a new one next door to the federal courthouse and not far from South Station. Probably a superior location to the more remote pier farther down the waterfront Menino had chosen.
Great idea, right? Not at City Hall, where it was seen as undercutting the mayor.
All of which may be a symptom of a larger problem, a cultural clash between one of the city?s most dynamic developers and an imperial mayor.
If Hynes is indeed in Menino?s crosshairs, history isn?t all that encouraging.
Just ask Frank McCourt, the former owner of the waterfront land Hynes wants to build out. McCourt spent years talking up his plans for the waterfront and grabbing the limelight.
And McCourt spent years sitting on a swath of undeveloped parking lots, unable to get so much as a hot-dog stand approved in a City Hall where he was derisively called the ?parking attendant.?
As more than one ambitious builder has learned, there is actually something bigger in Boston than Tommy?s Tower, Menino?s proposal for a 1,000-foot tower.
Tommy?s Temper.
Make that there are two things bigger in Boston. Scott Van Voorhis and his smart mouth crappy articles.
 

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