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Here is a view of the Fort Point wharf building in which Babson is leasing 3500 space being referred to in press releases as a "Satellite Campus" in the Innovation District.

According to Mass Land Records, the building floorplate is 9500 square feet. 3500 square feet must be less than half of a single floor in the building, roughly as indicated by the red arrow.

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Can this be an accurate depiction of what is being referred to as a "Satellite Campus?"

As a side note, this building has been fully tenanted for its 100+ years of existence, in recent years hosting the offices of the Boston Wharf Company, Archon and CFO Magazine among others.
 
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I don't know for sure the true "extent" of what constitutes the building, but I've walked by it multiple times and it seems follow the bend of Melcher St. to stretch all the way down to the corner of Necco and Melcher, which makes it much deeper than it appears there, at least as deep as the sign from that photo.
 
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There are either 3 or 4 separate buildings along that curve. The key shows 50 feet, so the width of the Summer St wall is roughly 40 and the length along the Channel is roughly 200 ft. That adds up to 8000 square feet with the curved portion accommodating the remaining 1500 sf per floor. So the image I posted earlier seems accurate in its approximation of 3500 square feet.

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The city, with the media in cahoots, is certainly stretching the (already) ill-defined borders of the Innovation District.
 
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^They also seem to be stretching the definition of 'satellite campus'.
 
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^They also seem to be stretching the definition of 'satellite campus'.
I suspect the focus of the satellite campus will be on their executive education program.

Olin and Babson and Wellesley run a lot of joint programs, and Olin funded both Olin College and Babson's MBA program. So most of Babson will stay where it is on its 370 acre campus.
 
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I suspect the focus of the satellite campus will be on their executive education program.

Olin and Babson and Wellesley run a lot of joint programs, and Olin funded both Olin College and Babson's MBA program. So most of Babson will stay where it is on its 370 acre campus.

Great........ like we need more non-profit colleges located in the city of Boston. I can't wait to see what bullshit taxes they have to make up to maintain this area. More city services that have no private industries to support it. Oh I forgot Private developer Joe Fallon and Vertex are in the private sector.......
 
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Here is a view of the Fort Point wharf building in which Babson is leasing 3500 space being referred to in press releases as a "Satellite Campus" in the Innovation District.

According to Mass Land Records, the building floorplate is 9500 square feet. 3500 square feet must be less than half of a single floor in the building, roughly as indicated by the red arrow.

99l9C.jpg


Can this be an accurate depiction of what is being referred to as a "Satellite Campus?"

As a side note, this building has been fully tenanted for its 100+ years of existence, in recent years hosting the offices of the Boston Wharf Company, Archon and CFO Magazine among others.

Note the building is claimed to be 175,000 sq. ft. -- so its about about 30,000 sq. ft / floor by the photo

The press release notes..."the space provides a “foothold as [Babson] looks to build its Boston presence, close to downtown businesses, start-ups and research-based companies on the waterfront, and Logan International Airport.” --- remember that a few hundred acres on the beaches of Normandy provided a foothod for the liberationn of Europe from the Nazis
 
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Great........ like we need more non-profit colleges located in the city of Boston. I can't wait to see what bullshit taxes they have to make up to maintain this area. More city services that have no private industries to support it. Oh I forgot Private developer Joe Fallon and Vertex are in the private sector.......

Riffl.... you are once again missing the point entirely --- education is one of the largest industries in the City of Boston.

However, outside of the services surrrounding the universities catering (sometimes literally) to students and faculty -- to date while Boston has many colleges and universities it has failed to generate much of the Cambridge-style direct spin-offs.

One of the halmarks of the Innovation District is the focus on entrepreneurial activity (e.g. Mass Challenge, etc.) -- Babson with its entreprenurial business focus is an ideal partner -- though it would be nice to have the Oline College of Engineering participating as well.

It would be espcially nice to see a somewhat larger multi-use satelllite campus facility (perhaps shared among several local colleges and universities) --- with some conference / class room space sufficient to hold simultaneously two or 3 breakout sesssions for small-sale (100 people), releatively low-budget events without having to book expensivie hotel rooms --

After all particularly on weekends.. free meeting space is one of the great public benefits of college and universities loccated in a city.
 
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The press release notes..."the space provides a “foothold as [Babson] looks to build its Boston presence, close to downtown businesses, start-ups and research-based companies on the waterfront, and Logan International Airport.”

Here is the full plan from the press release you quoted:

The facility will be equipped with new classroom and conference room space and will begin hosting MBA courses in September. Babson also plans to use the new location for lectures and events and to make it a hub of innovation activity in Boston. The 3,500-square-foot facility at 253 Summer St. will give Babson a foothold as it looks to build its Boston presence close to downtown businesses, startups and research-based companies on the waterfront and at Logan International Airport. Babson is based in Wellesley.

I have also seen a ridiculous quote in the Boston media that uses Vertex (significant project) and Babson's "satellite campus" as similar examples of the district's success.

As for the actual size of the space, my highlighted image as first posted looks to be roughly accurate using measurements of the building in feet from the Google satellite photo. The 175k sf may be a combination of two buildings separated by a party wall.

Boosterism by City Hall, the media and ArchBoston posters is fine.

But it's probably worthwhile for someone to do a bit of fact checking. At this point, City Hall is claiming to have been responsible for creating 2000 new "innovation economy" jobs in the Innovation District without being required to demonstrate where they are. Where? Are they new jobs or new employees rolling in place of pre-existing tenants?
 
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Riffl.... you are once again missing the point entirely --- education is one of the largest industries in the City of Boston.

However, outside of the services surrrounding the universities catering (sometimes literally) to students and faculty -- to date while Boston has many colleges and universities it has failed to generate much of the Cambridge-style direct spin-offs.

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Whighlander, I actually enjoying reading your very well informed posts. But you’re missing my point.

How is giving tax money to every project that is being built adding value to the taxpayers of the city of Boston?
But then add on additional taxes to parts of the area that are not excelling?
Like Downtown=BID
Like Greenway=Greenway Tax
Like Colleges-Hospitals=Non-profit Taxes (Tuition and Insurance rates will go up)
Can you please explain this development process.

So now that the Seaport and Fan Pier are being built are we going to have to implement the
INNOVATION TAX? to service this part of the city?

Does Cambridge & Somerville have these types of Tax and regulations to make those cities successful.

Cambridge has made more strides in the last 10 years than Boston has in development.

Instead of watching the Seaport evolve with free markets we get to see all corporations evolve in this area.
CVS, Walmart, Biotech Firm, Remy's, and bunch of high end Restaurants, a bunch of yuppie square building condos.

The Innovation District-------Now hosting some non-profit colleges too.
A complete area developed and dedicated by our political hacks by spending the taxpayers into the ground.

This is the reality. Kraft had the right idea for this area

The innovation district or the entertainment industry. Kraft would have made the city of Boston and the taxpayers Hundreds of Billions building the stadium in this area. Unlimited amounts of money would have came into this area. But instead the taxpayers need to pony up a quick 72 million for Fallon to help him get a tennat in the area. DO YOU GET THE POINT.

The problem with the development is it is being forced by our govt officials so they can buy union votes for the next election. That is my problem with then entire Fan Pier and Seaport development project. This was the last priceless piece of property and should have evolved naturally through the private industry.
 
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Outside of direct government jobs of which there are too many at all levels -- government can not create jobs --only medddle with their creation:

1) Best -- when government sets up the conditions (e.g. the Constitution) and lets the private sector do all of the work

2) Second best -- government provides the core infrastructure and then gets out of the way (e.g. origal filling and build-out of the Back Bay)

3) OK job -- when government provides infrastructure and overall development guidelines for density and structural height -- which can evolve with state of development and when the government maintans a less than advesarial relationship with the property owners / developers (e.g. kendall Sq./ Cambridge Center)

4) Worst case -- detailed requiirements for X jobs and Y residences with Z shops and 'qbar' street vendors

So far it looks as if the Seaport / Fan Pier / Innovation District is migrating from 4) toward 3)

If the initial stuff starts to pan out in 5 to 10 years we might yet see a 2.5) -- i.e. just fix the Silver Line and move the Post Office Mail Facility -- then stand back
 
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Regarding Babson's "satellite campus, as stated by Mayor Menino here:

"The waterfront is Boston’s new frontier, and Babson and Vertex are creating lots of excitement, sending a message that other schools and companies should check out the opportunities”

Satellite campus? It's a loft space the size of a large two bedroom condo in Fort Point.

Regarding 2000 new jobs reported by City Hall here (and on numerous other sites):

"Since January 2010, 50 new companies have opened in Boston’s Innovation District with almost 2,000 new jobs."

I don't care who created the jobs. I want to know where these 2000 employees are sitting in the Innovation District.

Nuff said.
 
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What the article doesn't tell you is that 48 of those companies are Dunkin' Donuts franchises.
 
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Is there a another source for the 3,500 number? The Herald forgetting a zero wouldn't shock me.
 
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Home /Globe /Opinion /Op-ed Joan Vennochi

McCourt and the mayor
By Joan Vennochi
FRANK MCCOURT owns his West Coast failure.

Tweet 1 person Tweeted this.ShareThis .His Boston failure he shares with Mayor Thomas Menino.

McCourt was the architect of his own demise in Los Angeles when he sold 24 acres of seaport parking lots in Boston in order to buy the LA Dodgers. It was a terrible trade. Today, a sparkly new $3 billion neighborhood of condos, offices, shops, and hotels is supposedly on the brink of rising from those scabby, old parking lots. Meanwhile, the Dodgers franchise is in bankruptcy.

McCourt leaves the Dodgers more than $525 million in debt, while the commissioner of baseball also accuses him of diverting more than $180 million in team assets to finance a lavish L.A. lifestyle. McCourt’s messy split with his wife and longtime business partner, Jamie McCourt, ended in one of the most expensive divorces in California history.

What happened with the Dodgers is McCourt’s fault. But what happened first in Boston explains why the Seaport District is still a hodgepodge, although a livelier one than it used to be. McCourt once had dreams for those parking lots, but they went nowhere.

News stories from the 1990s describe McCourt as a hard-nosed visionary. He was also volatile, impatient, and brash. For years, he carted a slideshow around town, offering journalists and business groups detailed renderings of a graceful, new Back Bay on the waterfront. His proposals for the seaport ran the gamut from office towers to luxury hotels, shops, and condos. He also bid unsuccessfully for the Boston Red Sox, and wanted to build a new ballpark on his land.

Menino disliked McCourt and had little faith in his assorted visions. The mayor was also responding to pressure from assorted interest groups, including South Boston residents, who worried about building heights and an influx of outsiders. From all that came the now-classic Menino refusal to do business with someone outside his inner circle.

Given McCourt’s West Coast flop, Menino’s resistance may look prophetic. But years later, doesn’t it also look a little short-sighted? Seaport development could not move forward without that critical mass of McCourt-owned acreage. Thwarting McCourt also thwarted economic development, and all the tax revenue that would flow from it.

The parking lots that McCourt used as collateral for his loan to buy the Dodgers were eventually sold to Morgan Stanley and Boston developer John B. Hynes III. It took 15 years for another developer to do what McCourt could not do - sell a creative seaport development proposal to the city. Hynes has also had problems with Menino, especially after his involvement in the failed Filene’s department store block at Downtown Crossing.

The hole in the ground that Hynes opened but never closed evolved into one of Menino’s biggest development headaches. Yet the city still worked with Hynes on his Seaport plans. Eventually, he came up with a proposal that conformed to Menino’s wishes.

When Hynes first proposed plans for the waterfront in 2006, Menino’s reaction was reported as lukewarm. In 2010, when zoning for Seaport Square was finally approved, the Hynes plan was close enough to the Menino plan to yield this hard-won mayoral blessing: “Seaport Square has embraced the challenge of the innovation district: to be bold, creative, and keep our economy growing.’’

Some people said the same thing about the plans McCourt offered up so many years ago. But personality got in the way of progress, as it so often does in Boston.

The mayor long ago crowned himself the city’s chief architect and urban planner. Now in his fifth term, he presides over a development process that is slow, cumbersome, and tilted toward a small group of favored insiders who do what he wants.

Menino has done many good things. But when it comes to development, they will always be measured against what the city might have accomplished years earlier if he were more open to people and ideas that fall outside his comfort zone.

McCourt fell outside Menino’s comfort zone and from there, he fell flat on his face.

His sad Hollywood ending was first a sad Boston story. That plot had consequences not only for one foiled developer, but for an entire city.

Joan Vennochi can be reached at vennochi@globe.com.


http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2011/08/07/mccourt_and_the_mayor/
 
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For years, he carted a slideshow around town, offering journalists and business groups detailed renderings of a graceful, new Back Bay on the waterfront.

I'd like to see this. Anyone know where it can be found?
 

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