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Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

Innovation District Hall should have been built out on the end of Pier 4 where the old restaurant building is located and where there is a plan to build a pocket parklette
 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

It's current location is quite a bit more centralized to the district is it not?
That, and it is a temporary building. It's location as such is better for knocking it down in the future and building a real building in its place.
 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

^^ No doubt it is "temporary", but then again, so is the Eiffel Tower and London Eye ...
 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

I like how you chose the only two possible temporary structures in the world with which this masterwork could be compared ;)

I'm thinking/hopeful, the potential of this spot will drive a developer to knock down this (admittedly striking) structure, and build something larger and more of a money maker. Mayhaps something with much more space to actually compare itself to the CIC.
 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

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Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

Man. Those V shaped roofs are pretty hip right now eh?

Anyways, like this use better, and was not happy about Menino shooting this down so quickly last time, and calling it the wrong place for something like this if I remember correctly. Hopefully they have better luck this time.
 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

Residences and a hotel right next to a T stop? how gauche.
 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

Sure, whatever. Build it NAOW.
 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

"Starboard Lane" ...?

No.
 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

It's a hundred yards of a nothing street.
Stupid name? Yes.
Do I care? Absolutely not.
No one is ever going to say 'meet me over on Starboard Lane'... so who cares.
The names over at Fan Pier deserve your ire.
 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

Oh yes, my ire they have received. I had to write a letter to the BRA about it. My assumption is that no shits were given.
 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

Was that your letter that was posted a few months back? It was quite proper. Good on you for giving them an earful. Whether it was a deaf earful is another story.
 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

The notion that Boston's waterfront will evolve as Kendall did, with a 20-year trajectory of affordability, is ludicrous.

The "Innovation District" propaganda is contradicted by data (my own) showing that a declining number of small startups (2-10 employees) leased at market rate every year since the BRA introduced the initiative. The ID buzz is serving as a distraction from meat and potatoes --> waterfront <-- planning.

The "Innovation District" PR, lacking any substantive initiatives for startups or entrepreneurs long term, has served to streamline approvals of bland class A office and BCEC hotels, not a long-term strategy incorporating critical housing, civic uses, ground floor activation, etc. Another 5 years has passed without engagement of Bostons' civic and cultural sectors in a dialog regarding opportunities for ground floor space in new construction.

Lastly, I'll suggest for this "architecture" forum, there was no other district citywide that merited a better opportunity for the world's most diverse and interesting architecture. I don't need a lecture on financing or building what's possible for a given economy. With support from the BRA, Seaport speculators have been siphoning off profits, flipping BRA-approved tracts, increasing construction costs in the process, for 15 years. While building nothing.

As for District Hall, its lease expires in 4.5 years. The BRA has an option to renew for 5 years. It's quite lovely and fun for newbies unaware of the past or concerned with the long-term trajectory of the waterfront. A better metaphor could not be contrived.

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Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

The notion that Boston's waterfront will evolve as Kendall did, with a 20-year trajectory of affordability, is ludicrous.

The "Innovation District" propaganda is contradicted by data (my own) showing that a declining number of small startups (2-10 employees) leased at market rate every year since the BRA introduced the initiative. The ID buzz is serving as a distraction from meat and potatoes --> waterfront <-- planning.

The "Innovation District" PR, lacking any substantive initiatives for startups or entrepreneurs long term, has served to streamline approvals of bland class A office and BCEC hotels, not a long-term strategy incorporating critical housing, civic uses, ground floor activation, etc. Another 5 years has passed without engagement of Bostons' civic and cultural sectors in a dialog regarding opportunities for ground floor space in new construction.

Lastly, I'll suggest for this "architecture" forum, there was no other district citywide that merited a better opportunity for the world's most diverse and interesting architecture. I don't need a lecture on financing or building what's possible for a given economy. With support from the BRA, Seaport speculators have been siphoning off profits, flipping BRA-approved tracts, increasing construction costs in the process, for 15 years. While building nothing.

As for District Hall, its lease expires in 4.5 years. The BRA has an option to renew for 5 years. It's quite lovely and fun for newbies unaware of the past or concerned with the long-term trajectory of the waterfront. A better metaphor could not be contrived.

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Where should new Class A office space be built if not on the last unimproved section of the waterfront that has excellent north/south/east/west highway access and prime proximity to the airport? Boston is an economic engine for the northeast and, actually, Earth, not a retirement community or preserve for the capital of foreigners, say like Miami is. And it's also height-restricted. So it's not going to look like Vancouver or Miami in terms of layout, density or uses. Instead, as should be plainly obvious to anyone who has driven through or bothered to follow the master developments, its going to be a mix of high-end housing, office space (Class A on the lots, varying classes in Fort Point) and parkland with hotels spread around to support the convention center that is bookended by the SPID and 02127 South Boston.

When I read these posts I can't help but think you believe the SPID sucks because (1) you didn't plan it and (2) the focus is on mixed uses, not just residential.

As for (2), I'm glad the city isn't repeating the mistakes it made with the West End, which was primarily zoned residential during urban renewal and is now an eerily quiet and desolate place, Charles River Park area especially. You just need to pick up the Globe to understand the plan is to build high-end housing in the SPID and link it by boat to lower-cost areas like East Boston and, to a lesser extent, Charlestown and the commuter-boat suburbs. Red line access (south station) and Silver Line access is already there. Pretty logical but I guess you either don't see this or think it's a bad idea?

As for (1), the SPID isn't perfect but I can't understand how you can think it's this bad. Your critiques don't seem constructive. In the past you've indicated the issues are that none of the buildings are fit for a "world-class" waterfront and lack "blackbox" theaters. Huh? Meanwhile the pace of parcels sold, permitting, construction and overall development has improved dramatically year-over-year each year since 2009 or maybe 2010. There's actually a considerable amount of public space, primarily in the form of open space right on or adjacent to the water with more planned and in the works.

Bottom line, it isn't awful and not everything sucks about it. It's actually decently-planned and starting to come together. I can testify to the activity on Congress Street, where I live and will try to post some photos from 1IP, where I work, that make the SPID look like a jigsaw puzzle that's finally coming together.
 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

Didn't want to chime in on a topic that has been discussed 100 times on this board, but did want to ask one question - Is "innovation" limited to startups between 2-10 employees?

My company is a venture backed startup with 100+ employees headquartered in the ID. When we were in the 2-10 range, we were in Newton. Even before the term "Innovation District" was coined Fort Point was out of our reach at that small of a size.

The term "innovation" is extremely subjective, but it is a great way publicly position an emerging district in today's economy. Yes, there are many things to nitpick, and many of them are very warranted.. but hanging on to the "innovation district" argument is growing tiring.

It's beginning to feel as ridiculous as the SILVER LINE BUS.
 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

"New ideas must use old buildings."
 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

The notion that Boston's waterfront will evolve as Kendall did, with a 20-year trajectory of affordability, is ludicrous.

The "Innovation District" propaganda is contradicted by data (my own) showing that a declining number of small startups (2-10 employees) leased at market rate every year since the BRA introduced the initiative. The ID buzz is serving as a distraction from meat and potatoes --> waterfront <-- planning.

The "Innovation District" PR, lacking any substantive initiatives for startups or entrepreneurs long term, has served to streamline approvals of bland class A office and BCEC hotels, not a long-term strategy incorporating critical housing, civic uses, ground floor activation, etc. Another 5 years has passed without engagement of Bostons' civic and cultural sectors in a dialog regarding opportunities for ground floor space in new construction.

Lastly, I'll suggest for this "architecture" forum, there was no other district citywide that merited a better opportunity for the world's most diverse and interesting architecture. I don't need a lecture on financing or building what's possible for a given economy. With support from the BRA, Seaport speculators have been siphoning off profits, flipping BRA-approved tracts, increasing construction costs in the process, for 15 years. While building nothing.

As for District Hall, its lease expires in 4.5 years. The BRA has an option to renew for 5 years. It's quite lovely and fun for newbies unaware of the past or concerned with the long-term trajectory of the waterfront. A better metaphor could not be contrived.

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Sicil --- you are starting to sound like Riff some of your posts just keep beating on the same stale topics repetitive doesn't necessarily prove the point

By the way where did the data for the following come from " The "Innovation District" propaganda is contradicted by data (my own) showing that a declining number of small startups (2-10 employees) leased at market rate every year since the BRA introduced the initiative. "

Also FortpointGuy makes SOME GOOD POINTS & ALSO the point made by Parker that arbitrarily tracking the increase or decrease in the number of the 2-10 person start-ups .. doesn't necessarily provide a meaningful metric of the success or failure of an urban district

As a case in point -- Rethink Robotics ... because of the credibility of its founder Rodney Brooks was born with more than 2-10 employees and settled into actually building and producing the future @ 27 Wormwood Street, Boston, MA 02210
http://youtu.be/bOC_1zEq-yc
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rethink robotics is named to bostinno’s 50 on fire
Recognized as One of 50 Winners Setting the Boston Scene on Fire
Boston, MA — March 27, 2013 — Rethink Robotics today announced they were named one of BostInno’s 50 on Fire winners at the inaugural awards event “like no other” on Tuesday, March 26, 2013. Held at the John Joseph Moakley Courthouse in the Innovation District, the event celebrated Boston’s best and brightest organizations and individuals across all industries, and recognized those setting the Boston scene on fire.
 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

In my defense, let me start out by stating that Boston's universities, hospitals and elite tech workforce are unparalleled, not only nationwide, but worldwide.

Yet Boston's waterfront is not leading -->waterfronts<-- nationwide or worldwide to meet the standard. Having taken the time to listen to renown urban planners talk about development of the waterfront vs. potential, there is a basis for this statement. The names of urban planners I've listened to on the topic? Urban Strategies. Coopers Robertson. Thompson.

Boston is not leading on the "innovation district" front. Cities across the USA have spent the past 5-10 years developing a menu of initiatives ranging from loan programs for startups to zoning for life sciences and larger cos. Aside from the value of perception, noted in comments above, I don't find Boston initiatives discussed at length in writings about viable initiatives.

Boston is lagging in climate change planning. For cutting edge work (and participating cities), see c40cities.com.

And, as for my problem being an aversion to "mixed use" that's belied by the facts. Seaport hotel/office has trumped housing 10:1 for 20 years, including Seaport housing under way today. No civic facilities (schools, libraries, community centers) have been planned or built in 20 years. These are facts, and these facts impact long-term outcomes in a district of this scale.

We can disagree about one of the most important factors -- ground floor activation. I've made my point about the importance of ground floor commercial, civic and cultural mix.

Just as folks don't find my comments helpful or interesting, I don't understand counting cranes as a topic of conversation.
 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

In my defense, let me start out by stating that Boston's universities, hospitals and elite tech workforce are unparalleled, not only nationwide, but worldwide.

Yet Boston's waterfront is not leading -->waterfronts<-- nationwide or worldwide to meet the standard. Having taken the time to listen to renown urban planners talk about development of the waterfront vs. potential, there is a basis for this statement. The names of urban planners I've listened to on the topic? Urban Strategies. Coopers Robertson. Thompson.

Boston is not leading on the "innovation district" front. Cities across the USA have spent the past 5-10 years developing a menu of initiatives ranging from loan programs for startups to zoning for life sciences and larger cos. Aside from the value of perception, noted in comments above, I don't find Boston initiatives discussed at length in writings about viable initiatives.

Boston is lagging in climate change planning. For cutting edge work (and participating cities), see c40cities.com.

And, as for my problem being an aversion to "mixed use" that's belied by the facts. Seaport hotel/office has trumped housing 10:1 for 20 years, including Seaport housing under way today. No civic facilities (schools, libraries, community centers) have been planned or built in 20 years. These are facts, and these facts impact long-term outcomes in a district of this scale.

We can disagree about one of the most important factors -- ground floor activation. I've made my point about the importance of ground floor commercial, civic and cultural mix.

Just as folks don't find my comments helpful or interesting, I don't understand counting cranes as a topic of conversation.

Sicil ... I essentially have 0 respect for most city planners .. by the time all the studies and such are done .. .the economy has moved along and the planning is mostly irrelevant

Ultimately the only planners who matter are property owners and the others should mostly stay out of their way and let them do their best

As for topics that you seem most concerned about:
1) Solar is dead
2) Wind is going
3) Green in general is passe
4) What the hell is climate change planning?

Besides the continuation of the new biology stuff in Kendall -- The future at least for the next decade is:
1) mobile network tech / exploitation
2) robotics
3( Internet of Everything [With apologies to Cisco]
4) Oil and Natural Gas exploration and exploitation
5) nano materials and processes

Boston / Cambridge is leading or a major player in all of the above including the oil / gas through Schlumberger which has a major research presence across the street from Draper in Kendall area
 

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