Seaport Square (Formerly McCourt Seaport Parcels)

Jeez, Van. Cut the Bostonians a break. As a NYCer, I think this street wall isn't the greatest, but it is miles ahead of the sea of parking lot wasteland that was there for decades. Still boggles my mind that it took until the last 5-10 years for development to happen there.

What a shitty street wall. Maybe in the summer with some more people it will seem better.
 
It doesn't necessarily mean it is a bad thing. Novartis leases millions of sq ft in Cantabrigia but started off with a relatively small footprint before going all in about 15 years ago.

Not sure if that's a good or bad sign for HQ2.

Still my HQ2 money is on DC. Hopefully i'm wrong.
 
Another question is: where? I suspect we're talking about (for a million sf) both Parcel D and Parcel G, on either side of the park...

was thinking the same thing.

Also hoping this means a spec tower is more likely downtown, one congress and north station in particular. There's a lot of demand and two big parcels might be off the table soon.
 
was thinking the same thing.

Also hoping this means a spec tower is more likely downtown, one congress and north station in particular. There's a lot of demand and two big parcels might be off the table soon.

Could be, but honestly it seems like the real estate people see North Station, Downtown, and the Seaport as entirely separate markets... it does mean that Fallon might do the last Fan Pier office tower on spec if he has the means.
 
Could be, but honestly it seems like the real estate people see North Station, Downtown, and the Seaport as entirely separate markets... it does mean that Fallon might do the last Fan Pier office tower on spec if he has the means.

The general trend is that big established firms (PWC, Goodwin Procter, BCG, Cengage, etc.) are consolidating into shiny new single-tenant (or nearly single-tenant) Seaport buildings, while smaller firms (e.g., The Globe, Bullhorn) are taking space in the multi-tenant buildings Downtown. A great example of this dynamic is that when the relatively small Boston Globe returned downtown they took a chunk of the space that relatively large Goodwin vacated when they moved to the Seaport. If you follow that chain, whichever firms eventually move into the Globe's old space in Dorchester will be able to in a sense point to Goodwin's new building in the Seaport as the factor that made their leases possible. When relatively large GE went shopping in Fort Point they took the space that relatively small Bullhorn vacated when they moved Downtown. Rapid7 is an example of a rapidly expanding smaller company leaving Downtown for a big lease in a shiny new (nearly single-tenant for now) North Station building. Their old space Downtown will probably be filled by an assortment of smaller, slower growing companies

There is plenty of movement across Downtown / the Seaport / North Station, so you can't say they're different markets. But there definitely is a sorting taking place along the spectrum of firm size.

Amazon is solidly on the "big established firm" end of the spectrum, so it makes sense that they're looking in the Seaport. Remember that they recently took 150k sf at 253 Summer in Fort Point, so another Seaport office would make sense for them. (This why I have South Station tower + later South Station phases + South Station Expansion office + MassDOT parcels 25-28, along with Seaport and Fort Point properties, as my pick for the best Boston HQ2 location).

The issue here is that developers want to land the big anchor tenant. They'd rather have one company taking 500k sf than 30 companies taking a combined 600k sf. And since the bigger established companies looking for big leases are focusing on the Seaport (and to a lesser extent North Station) submarkets, it's a little harder for developers to get traction for Downtown parcels.

I'd say a bigger issue, however, is that the Seaport parcels have much shorter construction timelines than, for example, One Congress. In the Seaport, you can sign a big lease based off of a render and move in in maybe two years. One Congress, meanwhile, won't be ready for occupancy for at least twice that long, probably longer. That's a big deterrent... If Amazon wants space in the short- to medium-term, they're much more likely to get it built and ready on time in the Seaport than at One Congress. The Hub on Causeway office phase will have the shortest construction timeline of the bunch, so I expect that to get filled before One Congress even breaks ground.
 
From Beeline's perspective in these photos, the Seaport looks like a real boring piece of shit in totality.
 
From Beeline's perspective in these photos, the Seaport looks like a real boring piece of shit in totality.

Its better than the open space we had but what is really so exciting about it? A couple of high end restaurants and some cool roof decks.
 
It is the very encapsulation of the phrase "better than a parking lot".
 
Not sure why anyone is surprised. With land prices being among the highest in the country, it was a virtual guarantee that developers would need to build as tall and as wide as possible to make real $. And, of course as tall and wide as possible in the Seaport = nearly identical fat boxes. Hopefully the trend is changing.
 
Architecturally it's pretty boring but the thousands of people who enjoy that area every night would probably disagree that it's boring "in totality". There's a big market for corporate expense account restaurants and generic upscale bars... people like to order big steaks and act like a big shot in front of other people. Look at Midtown Manhattan - it's full of the same types of places that are going up in the Seaport. Personally it's not my scene but a lot of people seem to have fun going to these places.
 
Boston should have been able to build something 21st century. Monorails flowing through the area--Incredible architecture.

Instead we copied Kendall square model with the boxed platform developments.
Once the city lowered the building costs for Fallon (Vertex) building that set the stage for the Kendall Square model.

Is it good or bad for the city? I would have rather seen another vision.
A Boston Seaport Vision
 
Boston should have been able to build something 21st century. Monorails flowing through the area--Incredible architecture.

Instead we copied Kendall square model with the boxed platform developments.
Once the city lowered the building costs for Fallon (Vertex) building that set the stage for the Kendall Square model.

Is it good or bad for the city? I would have rather seen another vision.
A Boston Seaport Vision

Monorails? "Flowing" ones no less? Is this a Simpsons episode? We're better than this.
 
Monorails? "Flowing" ones no less? Is this a Simpsons episode? We're better than this.

I think Transit's key for the area and this location on the water could have really created an incredible neighborhood feel. That's just my opinion.

I would prefer the underground hard-rails running through the city but I don't believe Boston could have built under the Seaport.

Transit should have been planned along time ago for this area before we ever broke ground. The city and the BRA are a total failure when it comes to this type of logic.
 
Nobody should be allowed to complain about the seaport until the m parcels, p3-8, pier 4, waterside phase b, and parcel K are completed. Theyre almost all under construction too so it wont be too long. After those are built out and we finally know what the areas gonna actually looks like then can go from there. Its still a huge parking lot and construction zone these anchor points are going to establish the base of the neighborhood and then you fill between from there. I think its way too premature to hate the area as is today.
 
I went to the Seaport (Gather) last night for probably the first time in 6 months or a year. I'm pretty amazed by the transformation around courthouse station. Some of the new businesses looked awfully tacky and un-Bostonian (Scorpion Bar? blech!), but it is vibrant and urban. With a little more time (years, to be sure) this area will start to develop a patina and hopefully some of these generic businesses will be replaced or otherwise develop a little more authenticity. Seaport Blvd streetscape has a big transformation to go through yet, so I won't criticize it at this time. Northern Ave looked pretty nice with the lit trees.

Come spring and summer, this place is going to really bustle.
 
I went to the Seaport (Gather) last night for probably the first time in 6 months or a year. I'm pretty amazed by the transformation around courthouse station. Some of the new businesses looked awfully tacky and un-Bostonian (Scorpion Bar? blech!), but it is vibrant and urban. With a little more time (years, to be sure) this area will start to develop a patina and hopefully some of these generic businesses will be replaced or otherwise develop a little more authenticity. Seaport Blvd streetscape has a big transformation to go through yet, so I won't criticize it at this time. Northern Ave looked pretty nice with the lit trees.

Come spring and summer, this place is going to really bustle.

The Seaport is more geared for upper working class, rich international students and the overall rich.

There is not one thing built for the average Bostonian to head down this area. There is not even real transit access to the area besides a BUS.
The city, the BRA, and the developers built Seaport soley for the RICH on the backs of the working class Massachusetts Taxpayer. You truly have been DUPED that the Average Bostonian is welcome here.

I would say at least the Greenway was built for everybody and is easy access from MBTA .
 

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