South Boston Infill and Small Developments

Re: South Boston Development

That area isn't a neighborhood. It's an unbearably lonely place at the periphery of south boston. The mistake was to make it an exclusive and elitist place, which led to sterility. This hotel won't make things better.

This area, along with much of the western part of southie seems to house a lot of first-time residents of southie, who over pay to live in a neighborhood they think is safe and expensive. They'll eventually realize that they live in speculative real estate developments situated in a tough, industrial neighborhood.

What?? This is already a thriving neighboorhood and there are new developments being built monthly. The neighborhood is one T stop away from downtown, 15 min walk to the south end as well as the seaport. Not to mention a hop skip and jump away from the pike and 93 N. Talk about location, location, location..
 
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What?? This is already a thriving neighboorhood and there are new developments being built monthly. The neighborhood is one T stop away from downtown, 15 min walk to the south end as well as the seaport. Not to mention a hop skip and jump away from the pike and 93 N. Talk about location, location, location..

This is exactly what I mean. The things that make this area a "good neighborhood" to you are: 1) new, "clean," unproven, speculative real estate and 2) means of transporting yourself out of the area towards places which are real neighborhoods.

This area has no cultural connective tissue, no central gathering square, no beloved common space... It's a place that prides itself on it's cleanliness, it's nothingness. A place from which one seeks escape.
 
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This is exactly what I mean. The things that make this area a "good neighborhood" to you are: 1) new, "clean," unproven, speculative real estate and 2) means of transporting yourself out of the area towards places which are real neighborhoods.

This area has no cultural connective tissue, no central gathering square, no beloved common space... It's a place that prides itself on it's cleanliness, it's nothingness. A place from which one seeks escape.

Neighborhoods don't appear out of thin air. This area is leaps and bounds above where it was even 5 years ago. It may not be a destination yet, but industrial wasteland it is not. Its truly amazing to witness the change that is happening right in front of you with neighborhoods such as this one. I'm not sure where your negatively is stemming from, but there is a lot of good things happening in this area and the location makes for an even brighter future.
 
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I'm not sure where your negatively is stemming from,
Let's not take a turn towards the psychoanalytical here....

Not to mention a hop skip and jump away from the pike and 93 N. Talk about location, location, location..

Right...

It's silly season over in that part of south Boston. I'm telling you folks.
 
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Let's not take a turn towards the psychoanalytical here....



Right...

It's silly season over in that part of south Boston. I'm telling you folks.

Avoiding the fact that your arguments are obviously based on a personal bias. I struggle to understand why someone will not celebrate growth and progress. I personally like to watch new neighborhoods grow, and am impressed with this community that has came so far in such a short amount of time, yet realizes it has a ways to go. The people that move here know this, and that's the point your missing.
 
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JoeBoston1, you mention the lack of "connective tissue, no central gathering square, no beloved common space."

I'm not arguing with you, but what neighborhoods in Boston have these things today? Very few, if any, by my estimation. Maybe you can elaborate on what you mean.
 
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JoeBoston1, you mention the lack of "connective tissue, no central gathering square, no beloved common space."

I'm not arguing with you, but what neighborhoods in Boston have these things today? Very few, if any, by my estimation. Maybe you can elaborate on what you mean.

Yeah. Copley is the only one that springs to mind. Cambridge and Somerville have that "square" geography, but Boston, less so. JP, Allston/Brighton have commercial centers, but no real gathering places. The Common and Garden are at the crossroads of several neighborhoods. The South End is fairly sprawling and insular with its little street parks. Blackstone/Franklin could maybe be a "gathering place" but it isn't...

I'm really not sure what JoeBoston1's looking for.
 
Re: South Boston Development

That area isn't a neighborhood. It's an unbearably lonely place at the periphery of south boston. The mistake was to make it an exclusive and elitist place, which led to sterility. This hotel won't make things better.

This area, along with much of the western part of southie seems to house a lot of first-time residents of southie, who over pay to live in a neighborhood they think is safe and expensive. They'll eventually realize that they live in speculative real estate developments situated in a tough, industrial neighborhood.

Completely absurd, and could only be written by a bitter Southie local. You are right, it was better when it was a place for bums to urinate, meth heads to fornicate and for bar fights where people died and eyewitnesses wouldn't identify the culprit. And for Whitey's lair.

In reality, it's one of the most vibrant places in all of South Boston. Go eat at the Franklin Southie, take a spin class at Handlebar, grab some obscure beer at Social Wines. But you are right it's full of outsiders who suck because they aren't lower middle class, hipster (re: chic poor) or work at the MBTA.
 
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Completely absurd, and could only be written by a bitter Southie local. You are right, it was better when it was a place for bums to urinate, meth heads to fornicate and for bar fights where people died and eyewitnesses wouldn't identify the culprit. And for Whitey's lair. ...

But you are right it's full of outsiders who suck because they aren't lower middle class, hipster (re: chic poor) or work at the MBTA.

Wait a minute, who's the bitter one here.
Avoiding the fact that your arguments are obviously based on a personal bias.

Why is there a need to personalize and psychoanalyze my perspective on neighborhood development? Where is this all coming from?

I walk around that desolate place every day. If it's sadly empty, I'll call it sadly empty. If your experience is different, then you can share it. But, calling my perspective wrong feels a lot like an ostrich sticking it's head in the sand.

what neighborhoods in Boston have these things today? Very few, if any, by my estimation. Maybe you can elaborate on what you mean.

The New England town, which is what Boston is based on, has a Main Street. It's a commercial and cultural hub where residents gather and socialize. This commercial strip is surrounded by a dense residential ring. Further out is a less dense residential ring, and so on.

Boston's neighborhoods and its surrounding suburban communities follow this pattern, only at differing scales. Beacon Hill residential areas pair up with Charles St. Chinatown pairs up with Kneeland, Harrison St. JP has Centre St. Dorchester has Dot Ave. Back Bay has Boylston St. South Boston has Broadway. One can even make the case that Boston, the city, serves as a cultural hub for it's surrounding communities -- see how that works?

These pairings make these places livable and social. An imbalance between the two leads to desolate residential communities or over-industrialized areas. The balance between commercial, social, and residential usually develops organically over many decades as neighborhoods expand and contract. In this part of Southie, the residential areas have been haphazardly plopped down with little regard to this balance, in terms of size, scale, culture, and class.

All these hulking developments around West Broadway that take up entire blocks and grow 5 - 10 stories upwards find no corresponding social or commercial counterpart -- and it shows. A walk around these developments just feels weird and sad. That's just the way I call it. If you find these streets vibrant, good for you. But I'll take a Centre St, or an East Broadway, or even a Dot Ave over those streets any day.
 
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Wait a minute, who's the bitter one here.


Why is there a need to personalize and psychoanalyze my perspective on neighborhood development? Where is this all coming from?

I walk around that desolate place every day. If it's sadly empty, I'll call it sadly empty. If your experience is different, then you can share it. But, calling my perspective wrong feels a lot like an ostrich sticking it's head in the sand.



The New England town, which is what Boston is based on, has a Main Street. It's a commercial and cultural hub where residents gather and socialize. This commercial strip is surrounded by a dense residential ring. Further out is a less dense residential ring, and so on.

Boston's neighborhoods and its surrounding suburban communities follow this pattern, only at differing scales. Beacon Hill residential areas pair up with Charles St. Chinatown pairs up with Kneeland, Harrison St. JP has Centre St. Dorchester has Dot Ave. Back Bay has Boylston St. South Boston has Broadway. One can even make the case that Boston, the city, serves as a cultural hub for it's surrounding communities -- see how that works?

These pairings make these places livable and social. An imbalance between the two leads to desolate residential communities or over-industrialized areas. The balance between commercial, social, and residential usually develops organically over many decades as neighborhoods expand and contract. In this part of Southie, the residential areas have been haphazardly plopped down with little regard to this balance, in terms of size, scale, culture, and class.

All these hulking developments around West Broadway that take up entire blocks and grow 5 - 10 stories upwards find no corresponding social or commercial counterpart -- and it shows. A walk around these developments just feels weird and sad. That's just the way I call it. If you find these streets vibrant, good for you. But I'll take a Centre St, or an East Broadway, or even a Dot Ave over those streets any day.


You bring up good points here, but your original statements were:

The mistake was to make it an exclusive and elitist place, which led to sterility. This hotel won't make things better.

And

This area, along with much of the western part of southie seems to house a lot of first-time residents of southie, who over pay to live in a neighborhood they think is safe and expensive. They'll eventually realize that they live in speculative real estate developments situated in a tough, industrial neighborhood.

If you began by educating us about the commercial, social, and residential balance of successful New England neighborhoods than we might not be so quick to "psychoanalyze" your statement.
 
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Well the neighborhood continues to change, and for the better. In support of this notion I offer the Allele Building: Phase II:

http://www.bostonredevelopmentautho...II/148-152 Dorchester Avenue Phase II_PNF.pdf

Located at 148-152 Dorchester Avenue in Boston’s South Boston neighborhood, the Proposed Project seeks to combine lots with the adjacent property, remove an existing service garage on the property and replace it with a six (6) story addition to the existing condominium building known as the Allele Building (“Phase 1”). The Proposed Project will consist of thirty (30) new condominium units, one (1) new commercial unit and thirty (30) off-street parking spaces. An existing auto service garage will be removed at the site and is currently in a dilapidated condition with no historic or architectural significance to the surrounding neighborhood.

The Proposed Project will be approximately 48,790 above grade square feet, with 30 residential condominium units for homeownership on six (6) levels of building above an inground parking garage. Four (4) of the residential units will be designated affordable. The building will be architecturally designed to compliment the neighborhood’s architectural character and will seamlessly combine with the existing condominium building. New roof decks on the Proposed Project will provide outdoor space for the residents and help to mitigate the lack of usable outdoor space in the area. The Phase 1 building was designed to receive the Proposed Project. As such, the Proposed Project will seamlessly share Phase 1’s existing amenities like a centralized trash chute, trash compactor, recycling rooms, and hot water tanks. The fire suppression and alarm system will also tie directly into the systems in place for Phase 1.

The Proposed Project is an addition onto an earlier approved project originally approved by the Boston Redevelopment Authority (“BRA”) on April 27, 2004 pursuant to Article 80 Large Project Review (the “Original Project”). The Original Project, as currently built and occupied, consists of fifty two (52) condominium units, forty-nine (49) parking spaces, one (1) commercial unit and one (1) restaurant. During the planning stages of the Original Project, the Proponent and the BRA had discussed and planned for this “Phase II” of the overall construction of the building. Therefore, the Original Project was built to provide for the seamless addition of this Proposed Project onto the existing condominium building.
 
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Hadn't heard about this Whitley Bulger!

Southie: New Blood, Old Problems
Jon Kamp, Wall Street Journal

BOSTON—The Owl Station Bar & Bistro offers sushi and tempura to young city dwellers living in the pricey condos and apartments mushrooming around South Boston.

Decades ago, the spot played a different role: Feared gangster James "Whitey" Bulger held court in the same location, then a dive bar known as Triple O's.

Mr. Bulger was convicted Monday on sweeping federal racketeering charges nearly 20 years after he fled Boston to escape an indictment. The trial recalled the blight and danger of the old South Boston, when a crumbling, postindustrial waterfront isolated the neighborhood, a cloistered, largely Irish population held its problems close, and corrupt law enforcement allowed Mr. Bulger to flourish.

"Surely, that era ended a long time ago," said Bill Linehan, 62, a lifelong resident who represents the neighborhood on Boston City Council.

The memories of Mr. Bulger's violent reign—and the myth that he acted as a kind of Robin Hood amid social and racial unrest—are slowly eroding. Still, the neighborhood he ruled, known as "Southie," is a study in contrasts, a place where trendy restaurants pop up next to housing projects, drug use remains a serious problem, and the abduction and murder of a young woman recently shook the community.

"I think [South Boston] is on the upswing, but there's a lot of work to be done," said Marwan Mostafa, who works at a moving company in the neighborhood's Andrew Square, where police and neighbors say drug problems are particularly prevalent.

Mr. Bulger, now 83 years old, grew up in a housing project nearby. The federal jury found he participated in 11 murders in the 1970s and 1980s while running a criminal operation of extortion, money-laundering and drug-dealing.

Despite South Boston's gritty past and uneven present, new residents are streaming in. The neighborhood's population swelled to 35,200 by 2010, up nearly 12% from 2000, according to U.S. Census data and the Boston Redevelopment Authority. That reversed a trend seen between 1950 and 1970, when the population shrank by nearly a third, according to a city report.

Older residents welcome the newcomers, but with some trepidation. Linda Zablocki, who heads the Andrew Square Civic Association and has lived there most of her life, said her 81-year-old mother has seen her property taxes triple through reassessments.

"The town has become a 'Tale of Two Cities,' " said Ray Flynn, Boston's mayor from 1984 to 1993 and a lifelong Southie resident. "Young professionals who buy luxury [condos] and frequent the trendy bars, and working-class families who feel they are losing their neighborhood."

Two doors down from the site of Mr. Bulger's old bar, young women filed into a yoga studio Thursday morning, mats slung over their shoulders. On the same block, a new apartment building lists a sixth-floor, two-bedroom unit for as much as $4,553 a month. On the ground floor, Social Wines sells "curated craft beer & spirits."

Dwellings catering to young professionals have cropped up around the Broadway subway station, just one stop from the city's financial district. But beyond the cluster of new buildings, the neighborhood retains an industrial edginess.

Mr. Flynn, now 74, said he is particularly worried about the drug problem. Like many cities, Boston is caught in a nationwide heroin problem, fueled by cheap and available product, and the South Boston neighborhood is taking a particularly hard hit.

Indeed, South Boston averaged 48.4 substance-abuse deaths per 100,000 residents between 2005 and 2010, outpacing the citywide rate, according to the most recent data from the Boston Public Health Commission.

The neighborhood typically has one of the city's highest death rates for opiates, according to Rita Nieves, who directs the health commission's bureau of addictions prevention, treatment and recovery support services. There were five suspected overdose deaths in South Boston and a neighboring community in about a week's time in July.

Keith Lombard, 38, a former heroin addict, is now a case manager and counselor at the South Boston Collaborative Center, which helps addicts from an office in the housing project where he grew up. He thinks the community's insular mind-set allowed drug problems to metastasize, since people tried to keep problems locked up at home, rather than seeking outside help. But this is changing, he said.

Mr. Linehan, the city councilman, wants a levy on alcohol and pain pills to raise more money for addiction treatment.

He said there are discussions about grandfathering in older residents to protect them from rising tax bills. Not everyone wants to cash out and leave Southie behind, he noted, which means the old and new will have to live together.

"I refuse to sell my house," he said. "I don't care how much that it's worth."
 
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Boutique hotel may rise in South Boston

Once-gritty west side is changing fast

A developer is proposing to build a 14-story boutique hotel off West Broadway in South Boston, on a corner once notoriously ridden by crime that now boasts expensive residences, swank restaurants, and a newly opened Starbucks.

The hotel, by Sun Condos LLC, an affiliate of Boston-based Pappas Enterprises Inc., would cap a real estate transformation as dramatic as any that has unfolded in the city. Twenty years ago, the block where Pappas proposes to build hosted the often violent Triple O’s bar, the hangout of convicted killer James “Whitey” Bulger.

The proposed hotel would blend easily with hundreds of new homes and modern retailer shops that offer everything from sushi to spinning classes. A few blocks down West Broadway, a sign advertises the upcoming opening of Fromage, a French cheese and wine shop.

“The new buildings are wonderful,” said Maria Brown, a 49-year-old South Boston resident. “The neighborhood is getting overpopulated, but we get through it all right. I like all the upscale restaurants.”



Pappas Enterprises, which developed condominiums and stores at the Macallen and Court Square Press buildings nearby, wants to construct the 156-room hotel on parking lots across from the West Broadway bridge, near the entrance to Gillette Co. The $35 million hotel would include a restaurant, a separate cafe, and a rooftop pool and lounge.

“Hospitality seems like a great fit there,” principal Tim Pappas said, noting the project’s proximity to the Boston Convention & Exhibition Center and to Broadway Station on the MBTA’s Red Line. “We’re trying to provide a cool, price-focused alternative to the Back Bay.”

He said the rooms would be available for just over $200 a night, and the restaurant would be operated by a local company instead of a “cookie cutter” national chain.

The project needs approvals from the Boston Redevelopment Authority and other city agencies. A neighborhood meeting is scheduled for 6:30 p.m. Tuesday at 50 West Broadway. Pappas said he hopes to start construction in April.

It would be the first hotel to open as part of a transformation of South Boston’s west side, where redevelopment is producing the kind of luxury homes that used to be exclusive to the neighborhood’s City Point section.

At 150 Dorchester Ave., another developer is proposing to expand the Allele residences with another 30 condos, and State Street Corp. is building a large office complex nearby.

In documents recently filed with the BRA, Pappas wrote that the hotel would feature close-up views of the Boston skyline and improve the street by adding retail.

“The tall, open entrance will be landscaped to create a pleasant environment for guests and an attractive feature for pedestrians in the neighborhood,” the documents stated, adding that a terrace would look out over the corner of West Broadway and Dorchester Avenue.

Bill Gleason, president of the West Broadway Neighborhood Association, said the project has “been very well received in terms of looks and aesthetics. It will be a beautiful addition to the block.”

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2013/08/19/boutique-hotel-proposed-transformed-south-boston-block/QfkdYZoViLziz3tV9AwY0H/story.html
 
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Are these developers on the hook for rebuilding/improving the sidewalks in front of their projects? It amazes me how bad of shape sidewalks are in South Boston.
 

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