South End Infill and Small Developments

I don't think the white is so out of place here. There are plenty of Victorians in the immediate area with the identical color palette-- red brick with white elements.

And for those wondering what was there before:
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Four car surface lot.
 
Now, this one is A WHOLE LOT better than a parking lot.

Good job, Mr. Grassi.



(But you are gonna have to keep your blinds drawn most of the time. Heat gain. Privacy.)
 
I don't think the white is so out of place here. There are plenty of Victorians in the immediate area with the identical color palette-- red brick with white elements.

And for those wondering what was there before:
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Four car surface lot.

Streetview has an even better angle

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...oid=mQd0_QdFyxbJmPeyO0vOTg&cbp=12,105.82,,0,6

Im also really amused at how ONLY the intersection has the new high def image. Move in any direction and you get the crappy old camera...

Much better use of space, even though things inside will be tight indeed.
 
I don't think the white is so out of place here. There are plenty of Victorians in the immediate area with the identical color palette-- red brick with white elements.

In Streetview, check out the building directly diagonal across the intersection from this corner.

Im also really amused at how ONLY the intersection has the new high def image. Move in any direction and you get the crappy old camera...

That's really weird, haha. I'm digging that high-res image, though. I didn't know they were doing that, is there a way to tell which Streetviews have the new camera? Hopefully that Trike they have uses it.
 
In Streetview, check out the building directly diagonal across the intersection from this corner.



That's really weird, haha. I'm digging that high-res image, though. I didn't know they were doing that, is there a way to tell which Streetviews have the new camera? Hopefully that Trike they have uses it.

The trike is high def, yes. There are 4 camera generations, Boston is mostly gen 1. The new images are the newest and best kind. As far as I know, theres no way to tell, except by checking.

Clearly, google has taken images all over the city, but for now, they've only put the pictures online at intersections. Intersections around copley have the same phenomena... move forward or back one, and you get the old image.

It's like 3 year time travel!
 
The trike is high def, yes. There are 4 camera generations, Boston is mostly gen 1. The new images are the newest and best kind. As far as I know, theres no way to tell, except by checking.

Clearly, google has taken images all over the city, but for now, they've only put the pictures online at intersections. Intersections around copley have the same phenomena... move forward or back one, and you get the old image.

It's like 3 year time travel!

I have no idea how they do it, but maybe they do intersections first as a sort of connect the dots for lining the pictures up for the rest of the city. Again, no idea though.
 
There are plenty of Victorians in the immediate area with the identical color palette-- red brick with white elements.

Red brick with beige or grey, yes.
Red brik with stark white, no.
Especially not facing the street. Occassionally there are white elements facing back alleys.
 
AFL, look diagonally across the intersection from the house in question in Streetview. It's pretty obvious where some part Grassi's inspiration comes from.
 
Yep. I know the building your talking about - it's a block from my place and I actually like it quite a bit.
But 1. It's not a Victorian.
And 2. It tries to be a contemporary take (or at least contemporary to the 1990's) on a typical South End brick rowhouse. The Grassi building tries to be the life of a party it wasn't invited to.
 
Red brick with beige or grey, yes.
Red brik with stark white, no.
Especially not facing the street. Occassionally there are white elements facing back alleys.

If what Sidewalks says is true--that the white will be painted gray-- then it's irrelevant, but I stand by my earlier observation. If you live two blocks away, then I'm sure you must notice the abundance of white shutters, white cornices, white porticos, white oriel windows, etc, on red brick Victorians in the Ellis neighborhood and elsewhere in the S. End?
 
Jesus, you people are sounding like some subdivision's homeowners' association on this one. What if it were painted RED OR ORANGE OMFG!? The South End would be so ruined at that point it might as well get Charles River Parked.
 
I'd prefer fluorescent green with electric blue details, thanks.
 
I agree, cz. I was trying to point out in an indirect way that this new house, though unashamedly un-Victorian, nonetheless plays nice with it's Victorian neighbors. It's different, but not outrageous or disruptive, as some have alluded.
 
CZ, relax. (I assume your use of capital letters and punctuation marks reflects stress). Like it or not there are some charming, historic aspects to the South End.

It's different, but not outrageous.

Agreed. I just think it will look better when the white is painted.
 
If what Sidewalks says is true--that the white will be painted gray-- then it's irrelevant, but I stand by my earlier observation. If you live two blocks away, then I'm sure you must notice the abundance of white shutters, white cornices, white porticos, white oriel windows, etc, on red brick Victorians in the Ellis neighborhood and elsewhere in the S. End?

That's not really true. I live on the same block as the building in question and there isn't one building with white detailing. In fact, I drove to work down clarendon to Warren to Columbus, and intentionally looked for the white detailing...and found nary a one. There were some lintels of white stone, there were cornices and porticos painted a light tan, but nothing was white.

Across the street from the new building there is a structure built in the 90s that has a white bay...but that is the exception.

There are undoubtedly buildings that defy the norm, but they are not common.
 
This plays better with it's neighbors than quite a bit of the faux-Victorians that have gone up in the South End over the last 20 years. Color is irrelevant (look at the French Quarter, for instance) if it has all the goods (scale, proportion, context) and this one does.
 
I live on the same block as the building in question and there isn't one building with white detailing. In fact, I drove to work down clarendon to Warren to Columbus, and intentionally looked for the white detailing...and found nary a one. There were some lintels of white stone, there were cornices and porticos painted a light tan, but nothing was white.
With all due respect ... so what?

There are undoubtedly buildings that defy the norm, but they are not common.
Probably too bad about that.

Color is irrelevant (look at the French Quarter, for instance) if it has all the goods (scale, proportion, context) and this one does.
Certainly.
 
With all due respect ... so what?

Ablarc, are you unable to scroll to past posts? (Try the "up" arrow - it's in the lower right corner of your keyboard). It was a response to the disagreement over whether this new building is borrowing elements of white from surrounding buildings.
 
That's not really true. I live on the same block as the building in question and there isn't one building with white detailing. In fact, I drove to work down clarendon to Warren to Columbus, and intentionally looked for the white detailing...and found nary a one. There were some lintels of white stone, there were cornices and porticos painted a light tan, but nothing was white.

Across the street from the new building there is a structure built in the 90s that has a white bay...but that is the exception.

There are undoubtedly buildings that defy the norm, but they are not common.

I don't know how you guys can argue there are no Victorians in the area with white details. The block of Clarendon between Columbus and Chandler St alone has white details all over the place. Here are just a few of the brick buildings with white detailing within one block of this new house (I know people are probably tired of this by now, but you guys made me do it :) ) :
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This building is getting lots of attention. Seems like everyone that walks by is gawking at it.

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There is also another new South End infill project that's finishing up now on Bradford St. bordering Peters Park:

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D. WINDOWS, WINDOW OPENINGS AND TRIM

The original window design and arrangement of window openings on all facades within the Commission's jurisdiction shall be retained. Changing window openings to accommodate larger or smaller sash and frame will not be approved. Restoring window openings to the original size where original elements are still visible is encouraged. New openings shall not be allowed.

1. Repair vs. Replacement

a. The Commission maintains that original or historically correct wood windows should be repaired rather than replaced. The slender dimensions of sash frame, the economy and efficiency of original pulley systems, and the tested longevity of the original wood window systems point toward the long-term benefits of retaining original materials. In most cases, the commission has found that the original windows can be repaired, and at a more economical rate than full window replacement. Additionally, the repair of the original windows can be done much more easily than the repair of a new replacement window. Commission staff shall be contacted about repairing original wood windows before any replacement window application is submitted.

b. If it has been shown that the original windows, or older wood windows with historic proportions, must be replaced, they shall be replaced with wood windows that meet the commission's policy for window replacement. The commission views these historically correct wood windows as an integral part of the rowhouse design, and therefore of the district. The further loss of original and/or historically correct wood windows in the district is not acceptable.

c. Several properties within the district have already lost their original or historically correct wood windows. They have been replaced with either aluminum window units or inappropriately designed, poorly constructed and installed wood window units. The commission strongly encourages the replacement of these units with wood windows that meet the Standards for window replacement. However, since the original resource has already been lost, and an inappropriate window unit has been since installed, the commission will allow the installation of aluminum replacement window units that meet the Standards and Criteria for window replacement.

d. In cases of economic hardship, the commission will consider the replacement of original or historically appropriate wood windows (straight sash) with aluminum window units. Please contact commission staff to receive more information on economic hardship applications.

e. In no instance will the commission allow the replacement of original curved sash with curved or straight sash aluminum window units, or straight sash wood units, nor will aluminum replacement sash be allowed in adjacent window openings where curved sash has been retained.

f. In certain cases, where the applicant has documented that the existing appropriate or original wood windows must be replaced and where the building is viewed by the commission to be of a style warranting additional consideration, the installation of aluminum windows may be considered. This determination is made on a case-by-case basis, and in general excludes the typical South End rowhouse so prevalent in the district.

2. Policies for Window Replacement
Early consultation with commission staff is strongly encouraged and will result in a speedier review process. The following policy statement is intended to provide guidance to applicants: all proposals for window replacement will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. Applicants shall obtain the window replacement application from commission offices.

a. Wood replacement windows are allowed. Both single glazed and thermally insulated windows will be considered, based on their exact dimensions as they will appear installed. The commission will review replacement window specifications with consideration to their approximation of original window dimensions. Specifically, the commission will not allow a significant reduction in original glazed openings either by increased framing or wide sash and muntin dimensions.

b. Only structural (true) muntins or exterior applied muntins which are integral with the sash frame will be considered, simulated muntins inserted between the panes of glass or exterior snap-in muntins are not allowed. Muntins must replicate the original muntin dimension and profile, or have a raised trapezoidal profile. Their configuration must replicate the original pattern, based on documentary evidence.

c. The commission will require the use of dark colored jamb-liners, the use of anodized spacer bars between thermal panes, and the replication of brick mold dimensions and profile.

d. The approval of appropriate aluminum windows (see Section C.1., part c. above) is based on the framing dimensions matching that of wood and the use of a dark non-reflective metal. The use of an integral muntin measuring no more than 7/8-inch in dimension will be required; simulated muntins inserted between the panes of glass or interior muntins are not allowed. Muntins must have a raised trapezoidal profile and their configuration must replicate the original pattern based on historical documentation. The commission will require the use of wood brick mold painted the same color as the metal sash and will only allow the panning of the original wood sill where absolutely necessary. The commission will require the use of dark jamb liners and the use of anodized spacer bars between thermal panes. Finish shall be of black anodized or enamelized paint in a color approved by the commission.

e. Vinyl or vinyl-clad windows will not be allowed.

f. Only half-window screens with dark screening and painted frames and tracks are allowed.

g. The commission will require the full replacement of any windows which are installed without a certificate of Design Approval or which do not meet the specifications of a certificate of Design Approval.

3. Sills and Lintels (See also Section C. 1.). Window sills and lintels shall be retained and repaired. If severely deteriorated, replacements shall be of a material, arrangement, color and proportion similar to the original in appearance. Replacement sills in brick will not be approved. Decorative lintel details such as applied or incised designs should be retained.

4. Window Grilles and Iron Balconies (See also Section B.2). Ornamental or highly decorative grilles and balconies may be allowed and will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. (See Exemption #10 in Section O.).

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Bays, oriels, and other similar protrusions from the exterior wall may not be removed. If altered, the design shall approximate the original; new synthetic covering materials will not be approved.

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1 The original roof configuration and cornice line shall be retained. Additional floors visible from the public streets and avenues may be permissible in special circumstances provided the addition does not interrupt a contiguous row of even cornice lines. Raising or lowering the existing roofline will only be allowed for the purpose of restoring the roof to its original profile. Alterations or new construction such as greenhouses, penthouses, arbors or trellises, solar panels and devices, mechanical and electrical equipment, if visible from a public street or avenue, may be approved only on a case-by-case basis but in general are discouraged.

Approval criteria shall be: a. placement to minimize visibility, b. minimizing visible mass,
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non-reflective dark appearance, and conformance to State Building Code Requirement.
Roof decks, including decking and railing, should not be visible from any public way. Partial visibility of the railing may be allowed on a case-by-case basis based on criteria listed in #1 above. Any visible railings must be black metal.

Skylights are never allowed on mansard roofs. Visible skylights on other roofs are discouraged, unless original to the building, but may be approved, provided that the projection is less than one foot above the roof and at least one foot back from the visible edges of the roof; framing of the skylights should also be dark and non-reflective.
Original dormers on roofs shall be retained and repaired or restored. Expansion of existing dormers or adding new dormers may be approved on a case-by-case basis provided designs are based on historic models.

Wood, masonry, and metal cornice elements shall be retained and repaired or restored.
Original slate should be retained or repaired. If the visible portion of the roof requires replacement, slate or a non- reflective material similar in color and texture to slate may be allowed.

Gutters, downspouts, flashing, whether new or replacement, must be of a dark, non-reflective material and non- obtrusive in appearance; unfinished metal (other than copper) will not be approved.
 

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