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The thing people need to remember right now is that nobody knows whats going to happen.
Obviously no one knows the outcomes, but it's interesting to speculate. Virtual offices using virtual reality are being developed wherein it seems you are actually in the office with your workmates, who would also be plugged into VR. My point is, the technology is developing. Also (my speculation), I doubt if this is the last virus outbreak we'll see, not just of COVID-19 but of future types as well. Cities won't go away, but remote working and shopping are on the increase. They already were, and this - and future - pandemics will accelerate it.
 

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Anyone want to take bets on this project surviving the incoming recession?
It's a GO!
albeit in a modified form -- as the world will be different when the South Station Tower is finished than what the developer, Boston and MA had projected a few months ago when things finally began to move.

Note that some of the provisions to minimize disruptions of CR such as working at night -- might actually not have to be employed -- when things finally settle down -- CR ridership might be so low for while that some tracks can be taken out of service to accommodate the construction

Millennium alluded to further changes to their Winthrop Sq. Tower just a couple of weeks ago and it the Winthrop Sq. Tower is already rising above the ground
 

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Best case scenario, they build the expanded bus station and run out of money so we dont get any of the other associated garbage (parking and ugly tower)

Here's hoping.
 

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If SST is ugly than don't most glass towers have to be ugly? Millennium, Hancock etc etc, they must be ugly right? I can see banal, awkward, bad architecture but its blue glass it wouldnt be all that bad.
 

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Best case scenario, they build the expanded bus station and run out of money so we dont get any of the other associated garbage (parking and ugly tower)

Here's hoping.
Jass - the one thing that will not happen is for a Billion$ project to run out of money -- the Treasury and the Fed together have provided a means for big borrowers to borrow essentially unlimited funds from the "Printing Press" -- based on some collateral

Hines is big-enough that they can bring the South Station Tower as collateral to the Fed for cash$$$ to pay for whatever materials or services that they need to buy

As soon as the shutdown is over -- We are going to want to have people working getting the economy ramping-up ASAP and major construction ["Shovel-ready" to borrow a phrase from Pres. Obama a decade ago] is one thing that the policy makers will be encouraging

The key is exactly what kinds of things have changed long-term as to how best alter the design building program to best fit the new social-economic realities

I think the model of every city trying to Manhattanize -- is over..


The rapid spreading of the COVID-19 in NYC versus the rest of the country -- has fundamentally changed again the balance between density and room to breathe.

The other fundamental change is the return of real industry in particular Strategic Manufacturing for the Health Sector -- we won't want to depend on any overseas suppliers for this stuff in the future. These new or returning manufacturing companies [e.g. Honeywell making N-95 masks in Smithfield RI in an somewhat repurposed factory] will not be going into the core of cities -- they are going back out to the burbs where there are relative abundance of buildings from the 70's and on -- Rt-128, I-93, I-495, etc. The people working in these places will not be living in cities and commuting out -- they'll be living in the burbs and driving locally.

Honeywell expands production of N95 masks in Rhode Island
by JARED PELLETIER, NBC 10 NEWS
Monday, March 23rd 2020

Honeywell said it will add about 500 jobs in Rhode Island to handle increased production. Recruiting, hiring and training will start immediately, the company said.
 

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Jass - the one thing that will not happen is for a Billion$ project to run out of money -- the Treasury and the Fed together have provided a means for big borrowers to borrow essentially unlimited funds from the "Printing Press" -- based on some collateral
I guess you missed 2008.
 

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If SST is ugly than don't most glass towers have to be ugly? Millennium, Hancock etc etc, they must be ugly right? I can see banal, awkward, bad architecture but its blue glass it wouldnt be all that bad.
The glass isn't the problem. The tower's design looks like 1990's Dallas Texas, and it will visually appear to be stuck on top of the iconic South Station (as seen from the northwest). The Hancock and Millenium are fine buildings; this one isn't.
 

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Assuming this is actually built in its current form, I expect the glass will be by far the best part of the building. I'm sure it will be extremely high quality cladding. It's the design that stinks. However, I don't think it's going to be nearly as bad as most of us think.
 

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Yea the renders from ground level, the views ppl will actually see in real life, look fine.
 

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The other fundamental change is the return of real industry in particular Strategic Manufacturing for the Health Sector -- we won't want to depend on any overseas suppliers for this stuff in the future.
Made in America, love the sound of these words.
 

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Jass - the one thing that will not happen is for a Billion$ project to run out of money -- the Treasury and the Fed together have provided a means for big borrowers to borrow essentially unlimited funds from the "Printing Press" -- based on some collateral

Hines is big-enough that they can bring the South Station Tower as collateral to the Fed for cash$$$ to pay for whatever materials or services that they need to buy

As soon as the shutdown is over -- We are going to want to have people working getting the economy ramping-up ASAP and major construction ["Shovel-ready" to borrow a phrase from Pres. Obama a decade ago] is one thing that the policy makers will be encouraging

The key is exactly what kinds of things have changed long-term as to how best alter the design building program to best fit the new social-economic realities

I think the model of every city trying to Manhattanize -- is over..


The rapid spreading of the COVID-19 in NYC versus the rest of the country -- has fundamentally changed again the balance between density and room to breathe.

The other fundamental change is the return of real industry in particular Strategic Manufacturing for the Health Sector -- we won't want to depend on any overseas suppliers for this stuff in the future. These new or returning manufacturing companies [e.g. Honeywell making N-95 masks in Smithfield RI in an somewhat repurposed factory] will not be going into the core of cities -- they are going back out to the burbs where there are relative abundance of buildings from the 70's and on -- Rt-128, I-93, I-495, etc. The people working in these places will not be living in cities and commuting out -- they'll be living in the burbs and driving locally.



You make all of these declarative statements and these are based on what exactly? This is all your conjecture... and youre assuming these things before this pandemic is even over. So much of this bullshit is honestly offensive.
 

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You make all of these declarative statements and these are based on what exactly? This is all your conjecture... and youre assuming these things before this pandemic is even over. So much of this bullshit is honestly offensive.
Sulfolk -- Let's just say that since none of us know anything about the future - -ever --- then just -- Hide and Watch -- its bound to be interesting

Today [sometime in the next 24 or so hours] the Treasury and Fed collectively are about to drop $6+T into the hopper -- No one has ever done this nearly unimaginable scale anywhere [either absolute -- for obvious reasons [since only 2 or 3 countries have a GDP of that size] or even in relative terms -- injecting cash equivalent to about 30% of the GDP of any country is bound to have some effect]

So -- I might not be right in the details and you might not like my unabashed US-centric views --- focused on looking at real data not necessarily ignorant turn-the-crank modeling-- with perhaps a side serving of the Austrian Economics School -- BUT -- it's going to be interesting over the next 5 to 12 months

so Stay safe and Hide and Watch
 

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WTH happened?!!!!Now it's just a damn pipe dream!!
Jahvon, this is the weirdest time period in my 70 years. I've never seen anything like it including the crazy 1960's. It just goes to show how life can change in a moment into something totally unexpected. I hope you and everyone on here are doing well. I'm doing fine.
 

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I'm fine. Here we are, waiting for a tower that faced so many changes to be built, & now it's dead!!
 

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