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When they rip down the Post Office for the South Station expansion, can they take the awful office building down with it? I'd love to see that fa?ade extended to the way it used to be. Such a majestic looking building that no looks rather incomplete. Or even keep the building, just wrap the fa?ade around it. :)

*sigh*
 
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When they rip down the Post Office for the South Station expansion, can they take the awful office building down with it? I'd love to see that fa?ade extended to the way it used to be. Such a majestic looking building that no looks rather incomplete. Or even keep the building, just wrap the fa?ade around it. :)

*sigh*

It would be great to have the full facade be restored. But theyll probably make it a glass box instead
 
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One of the wings is recent construction. I'm glad that South Station Tower has not been built because there is still a chance that that property, the post office and the old Stone and Webster building could be developed as one coherent project.
 
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Er, what am I missing about this, Suffolk83? Is your comment pointed at me or did someone else write something that was deleted?

If it was me, what was the point I was making, I'm really confused!!
 
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I think he might have had the same reaction I did, like "Hey! There is finally some news on this tower!!! Ohhh...... dammit."

That's my guess.
 
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1. Don't post in threads unless you have relevant information

2. Nice job distorting the truth by posting a 1920 picture at 5:05 on a monday and then a picture at 8:30am on a sunday, even if the point might be somewhat valid.

I thought there was actually news on this.

+1 I was very disappointed too especially since it's something we already knew.
 
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Whatever. It was posted here because there's no "historic photos of South Station" thread and I didn't think it warranted a new one. Moderator, please move this to an appropriate thread.

The "distorting" part is what bugged me - what was I suggesting, that South Station has less people there? I took a Google Maps image b/c I had nothing else with the same view. The point is that much has changed but some things haven't in Dewey Square.
 
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+1 I was very disappointed too especially since it's something we already knew.

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I've lived 1/2 mile from South Station for 20 years and have never seen anything like the throngs of people in that 1900 photo even at rush hour on a Monday evening. It is interesting. Same goes for the pedestrians walking in the 1903 video through Washington Street on another thread.

Something significant has changed in Boston's city life, pedestrian activity door-to-door along street blocks, etc. Worthy of consideration.
 
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Oh my God, you not only made a post that didn't say the South Station Tower was approved and is moving towards groundbreaking, but you WASTED MY 10 SECONDS. I'm going to exact sweet justice on your sorry ass, John A Keith!!1!1one


In the 2nd to last pic, what's that obelisk thingy? Is that still there today?
 
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Dunno what it is but it's not there any longer. At least not in that position. Well...maybe. I don't know. I walked through those front doors everyday for almost four years in high school but I never claimed to be the most observant person to walk the earth. But I'd think I'd remember a big obelisk-y thing.
 
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I've lived 1/2 mile from South Station for 20 years and have never seen anything like the throngs of people in that 1900 photo even at rush hour on a Monday evening. It is interesting. Same goes for the pedestrians walking in the 1903 video through Washington Street on another thread.

Something significant has changed in Boston's city life, pedestrian activity door-to-door along street blocks, etc. Worthy of consideration.

Exactly, that's what I was saying. We all know that the South Station of the past was much more bustling than it is now. While John's post was not off topic or anything, I guess you can say a lot of forumers are hoping something would happen and is disappointed when the post wasn't news.
 
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I understand your point about the disappointment by a lack of forward motion, but great urban design takes into consideration the issues of an entire area or even a district, not just one parcel. The success of a South Station tower will be directly related to progress on the Greenway, Atlantic Wharf, Intercontinental, etc. and what those (current, active) projects present to Dewey Square.

One factor in modern architecture that I think is related to the pedestrian problems in Dewey Square has been the introduction of large private lobbies as the primary element of ground floors. The former Stone & Webster building (now Fidelity) abutting South Station presents restaurants such as Cosi that are only accessible to employees or some type of security check. What's even worse is there isn't a single door along Summer Street for the entire block, only at the South Station end. I won't sidetrack this thread any further with thoughts about something other than South Station, but my point is the entire area need be considered if the tower is to be a success.

Last point: IMO, South Station is one of the best designed indoor public spaces in Boston. I had heard at one point the tower proposal included an escalator that would pass directly into the center of South Station. Bad move. I think it's been pushed back or eliminated to allow the atrium to remain as is.
 
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The only reason I was sensitive is because I (definitely) hog the comments on this forum and felt criticized. I feel I contribute a lot, but I'd be happier if there was a lot more activity.

We need more posters. I mean, people who post.
 
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1. Don't post in threads unless you have relevant information

2. Nice job distorting the truth by posting a 1920 picture at 5:05 on a monday and then a picture at 8:30am on a sunday, even if the point might be somewhat valid.

I thought there was actually news on this.


Check out this for relevance: South Station gets $32.5 million


Expansion of South Station gets big boost
$32.5m federal award may signal future funds
By Eric Moskowitz, Globe Staff | October 26, 2010
The Obama administration awarded $32.5 million to Massachusetts yesterday to plan the expansion of South Station, a project that officials say is needed to relieve commuter rail congestion, restore train service to New Bedford and Fall River, and run additional trains on the Worcester line.

The award bodes well for future federal support to finance construction of the station expansion, as well as to relocate a postal facility that sits on land that would be needed for the project, according to Jeffrey B. Mullan, secretary of the state Department of Transportation.

?What you?re seeing is that the federal government recognizes the importance of South Station . . . and is serious about its commitment to high-speed rail,?? Mullan said. He called the station ?the most important transportation asset in all of New England.??

South Station is a hub for subway, bus, and rail traffic, bringing thousands of workers and visitors from across the region into downtown Boston. The grand, 111-year-old edifice houses New England?s busiest rail station, where about 48,000 passengers clamber off commuter rail trains every morning and take them home again every evening. Another 3,600 Amtrak passengers come through the station each day, according to the state.

South Station?s 13 platform tracks, the berths where passengers board and disembark, are crowded during peak morning and evening hours, when passenger trains arrive or depart every 60 to 90 seconds, making for what MBTA General Manager Richard A. Davey yesterday called ?a very tight choreography.?? Often those trains must sit idle, with passengers on board, while waiting for a berth.

The expansion would add seven to 11 new platform berths and would improve the system that allows trains from different tracks to come and go in sequence, without colliding.

The work would also be necessary for Amtrak and the federal government to pursue their vision of running faster trains and more frequent service between Boston and Washington.

?This is a 100-year opportunity for us to provide increased high-speed rail service to Boston and really the region,?? Lieutenant Governor Timothy P. Murray said yesterday in a conference call with reporters. ?We think this is great news and really benefits the entire state.??

The project would be particularly complicated because it would require relocating the US Postal Service?s General Mail Facility, which is adjacent to South Station, to allow expansion of the station along Boston?s Fort Point Channel.

State officials expect the grant to cover the cost of preliminary design and environmental review and permitting for the station?s expansion.

Big questions remain: namely, how much the project will cost, how long it will take, and where the postal service will end up.

Local planners, business leaders, and public transportation advocates celebrated the federal grant yesterday.

?This is just fantastic news for the Commonwealth,?? said Marc Draisen, executive director of the Metropolitan Area Planning Council, the agency that provides planning assistance to Boston and 100 other area communities.

Draisen said the region?s shared goals ? ?to improve land use, to increase the number of jobs in the region, to reduce commute times on the roadways, and to cut greenhouse gas emissions?? ? are ?literally dependent upon the improvement and the expansion of the South Station facility.??

Nearly two-thirds of commuter trains begin or end their run at South Station, with the rest bound to or from North Station.

Transportation planners have talked for years about expanding South Station, but the state did not begin to pursue the project aggressively until Governor Deval Patrick was elected four years ago. Patrick has advocated expanding service to Worcester and restoring a Taunton-Fall River-New Bedford line that was eliminated 50 years ago, arguing that more commuter rail will boost the economic standing of the region, take cars off the road, and reduce air pollution.

Patrick?s principal opponent in the Nov. 2 election, Republican Charles D. Baker, has criticized the SouthCoast Rail project, estimated by the state to cost $1.4 billion to $2 billion, as being beyond the state?s means.

The application drew the endorsement of every member of the state?s congressional delegation as well as the Postal Service and the city. State officials and members of Congress made their case to Joseph Szabo, head of the Federal Railroad Administration, during his visit to Boston Oct. 14. The next day, Patrick personally called Szabo?s boss, US Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, to pitch South Station expansion.

In a statement, US Senator John F. Kerry called the competitive grant award ?a victory for Massachusetts commuters that will position our transportation system for the future and put people to work on a critically needed infrastructure project.??

Postal Service spokesman Dennis Tarmey also welcomed the news, saying the money ?not only offers the Commonwealth a unique opportunity to expand high-speed and commuter rail capacity at South Station, but also provides the Postal Service with the opportunity to renew and modernize the facilities serving postal customers.??

He said the Postal Service is considering a proposal to relocate its general mail facility near the Boston Convention and Exhibition Center in South Boston, on land owned by the Department of Defense and the Massachusetts Port Authority.

The US Department of Transportation will not release the list of grant recipients until Thursday, but the Patrick administration said that among the other winners is Connecticut?s Department of Transportation, which will be granted $121 million for improvements to rail service between New Haven, Hartford, and Springfield. New Hampshire will receive $2.24 million to explore a rail link between Concord and Boston, and Maine will receive $600,000 to plan improvements to the Boston to Portland Downeaster service.

Eric Moskowitz can be reached at emoskowitz@globe.com.
 
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Someone already posted this in the transportation section! Still relevant, but feel a little silly now .. ha!
 
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The only reason I was sensitive is because I (definitely) hog the comments on this forum and felt criticized. I feel I contribute a lot, but I'd be happier if there was a lot more activity.

We need more posters. I mean, people who post.

Im all for more posts, even of the kind you posted (only somewhat related).

It's better than having a dead forum. It's pretty hard to revive a forum once it slows to a crawl.
 
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I've lived 1/2 mile from South Station for 20 years and have never seen anything like the throngs of people in that 1900 photo even at rush hour on a Monday evening. It is interesting. Same goes for the pedestrians walking in the 1903 video through Washington Street on another thread.

Something significant has changed in Boston's city life, pedestrian activity door-to-door along street blocks, etc. Worthy of consideration.

The auto became massed produced.
 
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Also, I'd bet that "throngs of people" were not found in 1903 on Boylston and Newbury streets, as they are now.
 
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NOT sseeing thongs in tHis photos. So. IAM betting you 1,0000 UsA dollars. NOT one tHong in 19ow2 pictura here
 
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Something significant has changed in Boston's city life, pedestrian activity door-to-door along street blocks, etc. Worthy of consideration.

No cars, so everyone is walking everything including to and from transportation companies (train ,trolley, subway, elevated) and the biggest one is that there were no malls or shopping centers outside of cities. If the few stores on the main street in town didn't have what one wanted, it was time to take a trolley or train into the city to buy everything that the few country stores didn't carry.

Remember that everything was rail, canal, and horse freight, so delivering goods regularly over a spread out area, as we do now with trucks, wasn't logistically/economically feasible. Those throngs of people in the old photos and movies aren't just residents and workers of Boston, they were all the shoppers, which are now spread out across thousands of stores/malls, in the metropolitan area converging into the city.
 

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