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News of the behind-the-scenes inquiries comes as the Massachusetts Gaming Commission has been aggressively pushing for more competition for a Boston casino license. The commission has even taken its plea to Wall Street investors. Gaming commission spokeswoman Elaine Driscoll said the board is unaware of any new Boston plans, adding that the panel “continues to support and encourage competition.”

Interesting.
 
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Thats very disturbing. Boston does not need a casino near South Station. I mean could these fucking assholes do anything more deliberate to ruin this beautiful city?
 
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^ haha tell us how you really feel.

I am on the fence. One thing I like about the Suffolk Downs development is that it will keep and bolster horse racing, which I think is a great way to spend an occasional day. I have family near saratoga, and like spending the day there. Granted the two are very different, but there is obviously room for improvement at suffolk downs.

SST, on the Fort Point Channel has its pluses. Easy Commuter and Acela access. Easy Convention Center and Airport links so you can attract a higher % of out of towners. The area is already well known and dense in terms of restaurants, so I think it will actually not hurt businesses there. No more than when a couple dozen restaurants open in Fort Point, Seaport Sq. Fan Pier. It's obviously a catalyst for the SST- which will not go anywhere before 2020 without it. It could be a great way to get the USPS out and be very well integrated with the Lower half of Fort Point Channel. It can be very beneficial in activating the greenway- instead of giving the Conservatory Money, I would say that they have to book some concerts or events there as part of their programming.

I also think the area is heavily policed and obviously has a steady flow of people already, which I thinks naturally lessens and deters any major issues of crime that is associated with gambling (an aspect I think is very overblown). In general I think the more integrated the gaming floor is in the larger fabric of the city the better.

But, lets not discount the fact that these 'unnamed' investors 'looking' could just be an attempt to force up the bid on Suffolk.
 
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SST- which will not go anywhere before 2020

The excuse they keep coming up with is the soft office market... why at this point wouldn't they want to rework this as primarily high-rise residential and hotel?
 
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^ haha tell us how you really feel.

I am on the fence. One thing I like about the Suffolk Downs development is that it will keep and bolster horse racing, which I think is a great way to spend an occasional day. I have family near saratoga, and like spending the day there. Granted the two are very different, but there is obviously room for improvement at suffolk downs.

SST, on the Fort Point Channel has its pluses. Easy Commuter and Acela access. Easy Convention Center and Airport links so you can attract a higher % of out of towners. The area is already well known and dense in terms of restaurants, so I think it will actually not hurt businesses there. No more than when a couple dozen restaurants open in Fort Point, Seaport Sq. Fan Pier. It's obviously a catalyst for the SST- which will not go anywhere before 2020 without it. It could be a great way to get the USPS out and be very well integrated with the Lower half of Fort Point Channel. It can be very beneficial in activating the greenway- instead of giving the Conservatory Money, I would say that they have to book some concerts or events there as part of their programming.

I also think the area is heavily policed and obviously has a steady flow of people already, which I thinks naturally lessens and deters any major issues of crime that is associated with gambling (an aspect I think is very overblown). In general I think the more integrated the gaming floor is in the larger fabric of the city the better.

But, lets not discount the fact that these 'unnamed' investors 'looking' could just be an attempt to force up the bid on Suffolk.


The only good thing about a casino is a Friday or Saturday Night Entertainment. Sunday thru Thursday would be nothing more than degenerate trash walking around the Greenway, Financial District looking to get another fix for gambling.

It would have been one thing if they gave Kraft the go ahead to build a Entertaiment district in the Seaport, with the Stadium, Patriots Place, Casino, Residences, Restaurants all planned with 10 Billion dollar Transporation Grid. I could deal with that. Especially planned right.

But to throw a casino right in the middle of everything, Greenway, Financial District, Boston Convention Center......Is a very bad idea.

Suffolk Downs looks better than this option.
 
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The excuse they keep coming up with is the soft office market... why at this point wouldn't they want to rework this as primarily high-rise residential and hotel?

Sorry, I meant as a stand alone office tower it will not move before 2020. Being a residential, hotel, casino complex is the only way I see this moving forward before 2020.
 
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Sunday thru Thursday would be nothing more than degenerate trash walking around the Greenway, Financial District looking to get another fix ...

'cause this is never the case now...
 
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The excuse they keep coming up with is the soft office market... why at this point wouldn't they want to rework this as primarily high-rise residential and hotel?

Even after air rights are developed, there is still going to be trains and busses underneath and lots and lots of diesel exhaust. Residents will want outdoor space of some sort. You can get away with tis for office as the convenience will far outweigh aesthetics.
 
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If they did this, think we could finally see some substantial Silver Line improvements and/or other transit improvements for the seaport as mitigation?
 
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'cause this is never the case now...

The point is the city should be looking to clean this mess up not create a breeding ground.

After all (Stimulus-bailouts tax breaks money that our politicians have been granting to their business partners)
the developments of Boston is running purely on fucking GREED. The BRA, the Mayor, the planners have no interest in making a great city.

This is a fact.
 
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riff- you go so quickly to such absurd extremes that it is truly hard to take your legitimate criticisms seriously at times.

Also, I think the idea that people out on wednesday or thursdays are degenerates is a very old-school paternalistic way of thinking. In Boston, there are plenty of students, nurses, young professionals, tourists, and visiting professionals for which a wednesday night out is their time to do what they want. The world and city does not fit a nice suburban schedule.
 
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riff- you go so quickly to such absurd extremes that it is truly hard to take your legitimate criticisms seriously at times.

Also, I think the idea that people out on wednesday or thursdays are degenerates is a very old-school paternalistic way of thinking. In Boston, there are plenty of students, nurses, young professionals, tourists, and visiting professionals for which a wednesday night out is their time to do what they want. The world and city does not fit a nice suburban schedule.

Choo, Can you honestly say this is positive development news for the city of Boston. That our planners are considering a casino at South Station? Are you out of your fucking mind.

Rif
 
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As soon as he finds something he doesn't personally like, Extreme Right-winger decides it's okay to tell people what type of businesses they can open and what type of businesses they can patronize, film at 11.
 
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The excuse they keep coming up with is the soft office market... why at this point wouldn't they want to rework this as primarily high-rise residential and hotel?

Because Hines is in the business of building office towers. They got into residential development a little bit during the condo boom and got their clocks cleaned on a couple projects. They're a private, family-run biz so they've got a ton of patience. They don't mind land-banking and waiting for the right timing in the office market cycle (unfortunately for those of us that would like to see the SST built).
 
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It would have been one thing if they gave Kraft the go ahead to build a Entertaiment district in the Seaport, with the Stadium, Patriots Place, Casino, Residences, Restaurants all planned with 10 Billion dollar Transporation Grid.

Suffolk Downs looks better than this option.

DRINK!
 
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As soon as he finds something he doesn't personally like, Extreme Right-winger decides it's okay to tell people what type of businesses they can open and what type of businesses they can patronize, film at 11.

Underground,

I go to the casino all the time. Have you ever just looked around the card room to see who is playing. The majority are all broke & demoralized hard living people (smokers, drinkers, overweight.... Its very sad scene especially during the work week. So yes I am very against a casino going in the center of Boston Transporation District. Mix this crew with the old people that are addicted to slots and use their entire Social Security or welfare checks to gamble. Nothing positive about this development at SST.

Casinos are very negative to our society. I'm fine having them around because its our choice to go but do not place the casinos in areas or locations where productive energy flows into our economic engine daily into the city. Then after a hard day of work you end up blowing your money at a blackjack table. And the only people that benefit from this is the investors that own the casino.

Wake Up.....Maybe that is why the casinos were illegal in the first place until small group of assholes decided to change the law without the voters consent.

Rifleman
 
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Since legalized casino gambling is a fact, I'll skip over the social discourse.

South Station would be a perfect place. There will be few adverse secondary effects for residential areas, and it can be easily accessed by rail and bus. Presumably there will be a large parking facility as well.

I'd make the casino developer glitz up the tower into a funky neon needle, and put a lot of money into the Greenway.
 
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I was just browsing the old news in this thread yesterday- I didn't expect a new story so soon after looking!

I think this would be great for the city. Boston needs some exciting new development and I think this (as well as any sort of Entertainment District Bob Kraft is willing to do) would fit the bill if done correctly. I can see expanded rapid transit, increased tourism revenue, and the vitalization of some criminally underused areas (Greenway).

I feel like tourists primarily come to Boston for the history and the sports. Diversifying that base would be good for the city.

AmericanFolkLegend, thank you for the information about the Hines Company. It's good to know I can still hold out hope that the SST will eventually be built.
 

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