The Alcott (née Garden Garage Towers) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

Big surprise there! The West End was designed to be banaly suburban and anything that breaks that mold will be fought. I love the traffic argument against new development; use the new developments as ways to cut new roads!!!
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

Big surprise there! The West End was designed to be banaly suburban and anything that breaks that mold will be fought. I love the traffic argument against new development; use the new developments as ways to cut new roads!!!

Van -- except in perversions of suburbs such as La Defense no one would consider a cluster of 20+ story towers as suburban -- only truly suburban part is the low rise strip right on Storrow Dr
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

Van -- except in perversions of suburbs such as La Defense no one would consider a cluster of 20+ story towers as suburban -- only truly suburban part is the low rise strip right on Storrow Dr

It is not the size of the buildings that makes it suburban. It is the isolation and lifeless streets. A tower in a park is nearly as suburban/anti-urban as a cul-de-sec of single family homes with lawns and picket fences. The only difference is that you CAN walk out of the West End gated compound and onto urban streets. While you are in there you might as well be in Carlisle.
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

It is not the size of the buildings that makes it suburban. It is the isolation and lifeless streets. A tower in a park is nearly as suburban/anti-urban as a cul-de-sec of single family homes with lawns and picket fences. The only difference is that you CAN walk out of the West End gated compound and onto urban streets. While you are in there you might as well be in Carlisle.

Fattony -- I guess we have different aspirations for suburbs

Carlisle is rural to minimally suburban

I live in a suburb -- in East Lexington just past the Arlington border -- and a 3 minute walk to 2 beer and wine shops, 5 restaurants [including and DD a Bollywood Cafe], a bank, spa [former furniture store], a bikeshop

a five to 10 minute fast walk [depending on state of the sidewalks] to Mass Transit via the 77 Bus to Harvard Sq
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End


I think it's a pretty low blow what Paul Barrett did though and he should be fired from Equity for that, especially if the project fails to get off the ground.

That being said, is there a specific reason as to why the developers don't currently have 3-bedroom apartments in their proposal?
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

Fattony -- I guess we have different aspirations for suburbs

Carlisle is rural to minimally suburban

I live in a suburb -- in East Lexington just past the Arlington border -- and a 3 minute walk to 2 beer and wine shops, 5 restaurants [including and DD a Bollywood Cafe], a bank, spa [former furniture store], a bikeshop

a five to 10 minute fast walk [depending on state of the sidewalks] to Mass Transit via the 77 Bus to Harvard Sq

Most folks' definition and experience of "suburb" doesn't involve walking anywhere. There often aren't even sidewalks if you wanted to walk. While I can't argue that Lexington isn't suburban, strictly speaking, it is a traditional New England town and not at all representative of "suburbs" in America. You know this.
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

The neighbors fight everything that is proposed yet what's proposed seems to get built. I have a feeling this one will get built as well especially since one of the mayor's pet projects is more housing!
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

Most folks' definition and experience of "suburb" doesn't involve walking anywhere. There often aren't even sidewalks if you wanted to walk. While I can't argue that Lexington isn't suburban, strictly speaking, it is a traditional New England town and not at all representative of "suburbs" in America. You know this.

Fattony -- In that case -- do we have any suburbs of Boston?
And if we don't -- perhaps we can dispense with labeling something that doesn't seem dense enough for you as "suburban"

By the way just a couple of blocks outside of Harvard Square there are single family houses which can be purchased by people with normal levels of income -- does that make some of the streets just a block or so from Mass Ave -- suburban or what

I think that we hereabouts need to accept a few fundamental elements about Greater Boston:

1) Greater Boston in general and core [Boston / Cambridge / Somerville / Brookline / Newton..] offer a wide diversity of housing with a wide diversity of densities and configurations / geometries from single family homes with yards to vertically stacked apartments and condos

2) over the length of time that a person lives in the community the prefered "hot" home "life-style" / configuration may change significantly -- thus Harbor Towers & Charles River Park were state of the Art 40 years ago -- and have remained popular with some significant number of people

3) walking, biking and taking the T are fine -- but a lot of people living in even the inner core continue to like to have a car that they can park somewhere near to their house

Once we accept these the recent response of the neo-West End to the Basketball garage replacement tower proposal is not hard to understand
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

A better descriptor might be anti-urban. Because that's the real gripe. Just based on the make up of the word suburban is not the opposite of urban. Its partway there, as in some of the trappings of urban life, but with more personal space. Sub-urban, or approaching urban.

CRP is anti-urban in the way it turns its back to everyone and secludes itself. In a suburb you are still facing and interacting. Hell that's the design of the much maligned cul-de-sac. Everyone faces each other, and there is often shared space to get around zoning. That is approaching urban living. But not by too much.
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

Knock it off. The walk ability of your 1 inch of Lexington , much like the old town centers in many New England towns, does not change the fact that the majority of Lexington is the definition of suburban, while the opposite is true of Cambridge and Somerville.
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

Knock it off. The walk ability of your 1 inch of Lexington , much like the old town centers in many New England towns, does not change the fact that the majority of Lexington is the definition of suburban, while the opposite is true of Cambridge and Somerville.

Ehh, lots of Lexington is pretty walkable, especially along Mass Ave. A better example of a suburban hellhole is Burlington next door.
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

Go to Bedford Street and Hartwell Ave. in Lexington. I take the bus there for dept. meetings every now and then. This is one of the least walkable areas I've been too.

The bus gets ya there, but then drops you off across 4 lanes (plus the routing around the island) of non-stop high speed traffic. No pedestrian lights, no cross walks, and the whole point of that stop is to get you to Hartwell, that you can't get to without playing Frogger.
They finally added a sidewalk on the south side of hartwell too, thankfully. But, it ends before the return bus stop at a telephone pole. This is one of my least favorite examples of sprawl and the nightmare of office parks. It's all about the car. Everyone in the park drives 50 down to the intersection as well and makes two lanes each way despite the lack of markings to allow this.

Lexington Center on the other hand, very nice and walkable.

The funny thing to me though, is how much people who work in these places love it, and the "convenience'. And, us who work in the city are out of our minds. They were literally scared for my safety when I told them I take the bus.

This is something people on this board always try to forget. We are very much outnumbered by those who think the above is the better way. We may rail against it, and think it's our duty to change that perception, but many don't want it changed and will not see our point of view. Who are we to tell them they are wrong? Goose and Gander.
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

A better descriptor might be anti-urban. Because that's the real gripe. Just based on the make up of the word suburban is not the opposite of urban. Its partway there, as in some of the trappings of urban life, but with more personal space. Sub-urban, or approaching urban.

CRP is anti-urban in the way it turns its back to everyone and secludes itself. In a suburb you are still facing and interacting. Hell that's the design of the much maligned cul-de-sac. Everyone faces each other, and there is often shared space to get around zoning. That is approaching urban living. But not by too much.

Thanks, this helps clarify what I was trying to say.
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

The neighbors fight everything that is proposed yet what's proposed seems to get built. I have a feeling this one will get built as well especially since one of the mayor's pet projects is more housing!

This coupled with the fact they already cried about the first proposal. You only get one.
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

I think it's a pretty low blow what Paul Barrett did though and he should be fired from Equity for that, especially if the project fails to get off the ground.
Eh, it's low, but what kind of little leaguer doesn't know not to send personal emails from a work account?
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

Knock it off. The walk ability of your 1 inch of Lexington , much like the old town centers in many New England towns, does not change the fact that the majority of Lexington is the definition of suburban, while the opposite is true of Cambridge and Somerville.

Nico -- have you ever been in Lexington [excepting the tourist picture in front of Captain Parker?

You might find its quite a bit different than your concept. For example if you take the 77 Bus from Harvard Square and ride all the way to Arlington Heights -- not a whole lot changes along Mass Ave. as you leave Cambridge and become "Suburban" as you enter Arlington.

Once at the end of the line @ Arlington Heights you need to catch a less frequent bus to continue up Mass Ave to Lexington Center. In Lexington along Mass Ave you will not find any mid rise apartment / condo complexes however there are several clusters of small shops fronting onto a sidewalk particularly at street corners.

I'm sorry but I really don't see a profound difference in the local urbanity between East Lexington and Cambridge a block or two away from Mass Ave -- North of Harvard before Porter or right on Huron & Raymond right by Concord Ave North of Harvard. Both feature mostly single family houses with lots -- the Cambridge ones are larger.

Of course from East Lexington you either need to walk a bit to Arlington Heights and then sit on the 77 bus while riding through Arlington, or else drive down Rt-2 to Alewife to take the Red Line to get to Harvard Sq.

Note to the cognoscenti -- yes there are other buses [62, 76, 84] with stops near or in East Lex which will bypass most of Arlington but they have lower frequencies
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

Go to Bedford Street and Hartwell Ave. in Lexington. I take the bus there for dept. meetings every now and then. This is one of the least walkable areas I've been too.

The bus gets ya there, but then drops you off across 4 lanes (plus the routing around the island) of non-stop high speed traffic. No pedestrian lights, no cross walks, and the whole point of that stop is to get you to Hartwell, that you can't get to without playing Frogger.
They finally added a sidewalk on the south side of hartwell too, thankfully. But, it ends before the return bus stop at a telephone pole. This is one of my least favorite examples of sprawl and the nightmare of office parks. It's all about the car. Everyone in the park drives 50 down to the intersection as well and makes two lanes each way despite the lack of markings to allow this.

Lexington Center on the other hand, very nice and walkable.

The funny thing to me though, is how much people who work in these places love it, and the "convenience'. And, us who work in the city are out of our minds. They were literally scared for my safety when I told them I take the bus.

This is something people on this board always try to forget. We are very much outnumbered by those who think the above is the better way. We may rail against it, and think it's our duty to change that perception, but many don't want it changed and will not see our point of view. Who are we to tell them they are wrong? Goose and Gander.
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Seamus -- Hartwell Ave is not an Office Park its a street connecting Mass Ave to Bedford Street via Wood St. -- and by the way its also a principle egress from Hanscom Air Force Base and a connector to Bedford via McGuire Rd.

The reason you don't see an Urban Grid is that Hartwell separates a swamp [Tophet] with a major Power Line right of way and the Lexington Town recycling complex [formerly town dump] from Westview cemetery [former site of an amusement park built by the Lexington and Boston Street Railway] and the aforementioned Hanscom Air Force Base -- so there was only a narrow strip which could be developed

The original buildings were one story industrial facilities with major amounts of parking such as the Varian Vacuum facility located next to the entrance to the base -- current uses are a mix of Bio-labs and high tech offices
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

Womp. Let's make a "Lexington" thread, or something. This thread is for the Tower in the Park.
 
Re: Garden Garage Towers (Basketball City) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

If it looks like a duck..... it's an office park.
 

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