The Alcott (née Garden Garage Towers) | 35 Lomasney Way | West End

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Sounds as much geosoil eng myth. But what are we talking? 450' or 950'?

In any case, so much of the UWS is at least reasonably tall and dense,

not to mention quite enough of Manhattan!
 

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That is partly true when thinking north/south below Central Park. For the most part, high rises stop below 40th street and don't pick up again until FiDi.

A lot of that has to do with soil, etc. However, there are 700 footers popping up in the NoMad area, so developers have found some pockets to build on.

The UWS has almost nothing in the 30+ floor variety. Lots of historic buildings, brownstones, etc plus a strong multi-generational neighborhood that is very NIMBY.

In the UES, there are some high rises, but they are on the outskirts, close to the East River. Most of the UES is a no-fly zone for tall buildings.

When looking at downtown, I lived in the West Village and there is no way anyone is building anything tall there or in Greenwich Village or Chelsea (unless it is West Chelsea near the High Line). Fierce opposition from neighborhood groups and zoning. It is NYC's version of the Back Bay / South End, etc.

If someone gets a 700+ footer like my building built in the West Village, I will eat my hat.

^I don't believe the first paragraph is completely true. (but perhaps not pertaining to Brooklyn) I remember reading somewhere that most of the tall Manhattan towers are concentrated centrally due to varying soil/bedrock conditions in certain areas of the city. (this prohibits taller towers in some areas)
 

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^this is a myth^

NYC downzoned everywhere between midtown and the FiDi effectively by the time of the 1961 zoning code (the village was in the late 50s) and historic preservation did the rest. There are older buildings on Madison Square and sprinkled throughout that are taller that slipped through in various ways.

The entire history is well documented
 

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Damn, that is one big-ass hole! And dude, I know some dudes can sleep about anywhere, but you are ridiculous!
 
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Edit: Apparently xF automatically parses and embeds FB posts...

Update from S&F Concrete:

There are some cool 360 pix in the pit on the FB album: https://www.facebook.com/SFConcrete/posts/10156450548951517
S&F Concrete Contractors,Inc
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Equity Garden Garage
Boston MA
We are waiting for the final 10k square feet of slab on grade, the P5 parking level, to be turned over to us. We’ve placed 1/2 of the P4 level. And, have begun the P3 level. Things are progressing nicely.
This is a very large site with many logistical restrictions. Yet, our team continues to push us further along and make us look good while they doing it.
We are pressing harder and harder to have the parking levels completed ahead of schedule, is possible. The result of this effort would be the tower starting that much sooner. That is our goal.
 

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I assume that's a core starting to rise? Nice!

The enormity of this pit is really impressive.
 

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I assume that's a core starting to rise? Nice!

The enormity of this pit is really impressive.
A 800+ space parking garage needs a big pit.
Yes, the core, for the tower, has reached ground level.
 

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Where does the massive amount of dirt go for projects like this? I know the wtc built battery park city, but where do regular developments send their dirt when they have large amounts?
 

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Where does the massive amount of dirt go for projects like this? I know the wtc built battery park city, but where do regular developments send their dirt when they have large amounts?
I believe that if there's any industrial history on the site the dirt often has to be shipped to approved disposal sites, often out-of-state (think West Virginia). Not sure what the state of the dirt is in the West End, though.
 

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i thought they had a treatment facility somewhere that treats soil and sends it back out to be remixed into sands & gravels for roads, and concrete.
 

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Is it really an economic advantage when it's one of the only major city without a direct rail line to the airport? Honestly, in all my travels, I can get to downtown in the following cities with airports much further away just as fast as it takes me to get to downtown in Boston via the Silver Line: Seattle, Chicago, San Francisco, Toronto, Vancouver, and Hong Kong. The economic advantage of having an airport so close to downtown is overblown. The traffic that Logan Airport causes by redirecting all travelers north, south, and west of the city through downtown Boston itself limits the growth of the city.

Move the airport 12 miles west and stick a dedicated airport rail line to it and you get the same benefits without the constraints. You also free up land the size of downtown, north end, west end, and back bay combined for development by repurposing the land that Logan currently sits on.
This needs to move to CRAZY TRANSIT PITCHES

Have you been to the area of Greater Boston 12 miles West of Logan [anywhere from "downtown Newton" to Charles River Reservation in Waltham to The Lexington Battle Green -- depending on the angle of "West"
If you want your Crazy Pitch to have any realism -- you want to move the airport 33 miles North West to Devens -- that was looked at and Rejected as an option after the Army abandoned the Post
Much better option -- build an new Airport Tokyo-style on an artificial island founded in part on one of the outer harbor islands [if you pick Little Brewster you could repurpose Boston Light as the Airport Control Tower] https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x89e368a6a1aaaaab:0xff9da29207d89eca!2m22!2m2!1i80!2i80!3m1!2i20!16m16!1b1!2m2!1m1!1e1!2m2!1m1!1e3!2m2!1m1!1e5!2m2!1m1!1e4!2m2!1m1!1e6!3m1!7e115!4shttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipOvSOO4Ddb48aD0Wg0hMho69gL1BldBt-ZCwftA=w266-h200-k-no!5sboston light - Google Search!15sCAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipOvSOO4Ddb48aD0Wg0hMho69gL1BldBt-ZCwftA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjs3bz8tefkAhXDMd8KHfEGBIcQoiowHnoECA4QBg#
 

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This needs to move to CRAZY TRANSIT PITCHES

Have you been to the area of Greater Boston 12 miles West of Logan [anywhere from "downtown Newton" to Charles River Reservation in Waltham to The Lexington Battle Green -- depending on the angle of "West"
If you want your Crazy Pitch to have any realism -- you want to move the airport 33 miles North West to Devens -- that was looked at and Rejected as an option after the Army abandoned the Post
Much better option -- build an new Airport Tokyo-style on an artificial island founded in part on one of the outer harbor islands [if you pick Little Brewster you could repurpose Boston Light as the Airport Control Tower] https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x89e368a6a1aaaaab:0xff9da29207d89eca!2m22!2m2!1i80!2i80!3m1!2i20!16m16!1b1!2m2!1m1!1e1!2m2!1m1!1e3!2m2!1m1!1e5!2m2!1m1!1e4!2m2!1m1!1e6!3m1!7e115!4shttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipOvSOO4Ddb48aD0Wg0hMho69gL1BldBt-ZCwftA=w266-h200-k-no!5sboston light - Google Search!15sCAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipOvSOO4Ddb48aD0Wg0hMho69gL1BldBt-ZCwftA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjs3bz8tefkAhXDMd8KHfEGBIcQoiowHnoECA4QBg#
Boston does have a direct rail link (Blue line) to and from Logan.
 

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Where does the massive amount of dirt go for projects like this? I know the wtc built battery park city, but where do regular developments send their dirt when they have large amounts?
See:

This is not really a massive amount of soil. The Big Dig, on the other hand, filled in quarries, built up an island in Boston Harbor, restored Rumney Marsh, etc. The Big dig excavated 16 million cubic feet of soil.
 

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