USPS Complex | Fort Point

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The Boston Tea Party took place at Griffin's Wharf in Boston Harbor, a few hundred yards from the site of the Tea Party Museum in the Fort Point Channel (neither of which existed in 1773).

The Fort Point Channel has experienced a renaissance over the past 10-20 years, with attention focused on the downtown waterfront and South Boston Waterfront (aka Seaport, Innovation District) and the Fort Point neighborhood in particular. Much potential of the Channel as a valuable asset was recognized as a direct result of the Boston Harbor Cleanup and with the Central Artery/Tunnel project. Fort Point itself has been revitalized over the past decade, and recognized as a Boston Landmark District.
 
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By the 60's it was a giant toilet bowl, and I was pretty happy back then to see it get filled in. I recollect that this was a common sentiment, it was just so awful.

In my lifetime, it seems like everything in South Bay east of the Expressway to the west "shore " of South Boston, then south to the South Boston Bypass Road has been filled in and put to use as rail yards, city tow lots and meat markets. (I'm sure someone can give a more precise description.)

A lot of it was still navigable, in theory at least. The Broadway Bridge would pivot once in a while, and occasionally got stuck in the open position. The Rapid Service Press Building had a dock behind it. (Miss that big red light up sign on the roof with the sequence: "Rapid. Service. Press. Rapid Service Press."

By the 90's much of it had been filled in. The Big Dig seemed to finish it off what was left.

I guess the area has been put to good use. But I now feel guilty that I was once happy to see it filled in.

Here ya go:

Today, courtesy of the good folks at UniversalHub:

http://www.universalhub.com/2012/end-fort-point-channel

The map referenced:

http://maps.bpl.org/id/12462
 
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there was talk of putting the north bound lanes in a tunnel under the channel. Gilette squashed this less expensive option.

Bos-Obs -- I-90 Crosses the Channel as do some of the ramps which connect it to I-93

However, while there was a proposal for a bridge over the Fort Point Channel it was for I-90 not I-93 -- the Fort Point Chanel never was considered for I-93 it doesn't run in the right direction or at the right place

The problem with the bridge was not Gillette - it was the poor foundations for the bridge -- as it turned-out the immersed tub tunnel under Fort Point Channel is in effect a submerged bridge -- due to the problems with footings and the presence of the Red Line tube -- the I-90 box is suspended between over 100 drilled shafts which extend down to bedrock
 
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I remember the papers saying that the preferred route was under the channel, in a tunnel joining up just before the Moakly bridge. Les Marino's building would have been torn down. I vaguely remember reading that the channel would have been temporarily dammed and drained. Guilette used it's political connections to stop this option.
 
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Gillette would have had to shut down without the Channel water. It's not reasonable for a public works project to do that to a major manufacturing employer (one of the few we have left).

Which building is Les Marino's ?
 
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The water would still have been available. If I remember they were worried about construction vibrations. Merino's building is the one with the observation deck and illegal top floor.
 
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The early concept for the Big Dig project did show the northbound I-93 lanes going in a tunnel under Fort Point Channel, parallel to the USPS building. This was discarded in favor of putting the I-93 northbound lanes in a very deep tunnel under Atlantic Ave, on the west side of South Station.
 
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Really, how so? I work in there.
 
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Regarding I-90 crossings, I asked a friend who was intimately involved with CA/T. Some info...

Excerpt from an interview with Fred Salvucci:

INT: Talk about how the Big Dig was actually two projects and how they came together.

FS: Well, really the Big Dig, as it's called, is really composed of two major elements that
started out as different projects. One element is the depression of are elevated Central
Artery, I-93, and that's the idea that -- that Bill Reynolds came to me with and we jointly
went to Altshuler about. It will, basically, when it's done, eliminate this highway that
divides the city from its own waterfront and at the same time substantially increase the
capacity of the highway, 'cause once it's underground, you can widen it somewhat and, in
particular, at its key bottlenecks, you can effectively double the capacity of the roadway.
So that's the depressed artery part of it.

The tunnel part of it, so called, is the extension of Interstate 90 across Boston Harbor to
Logan Airport. Interstate 90 comes all the way from Seattle east to Boston and now ends
at I-93 in back of South Station. The idea of the tunnel as it's now being built is to
continue under the Fort Point Channel past South Station under what used to be basically
a railroad yard complex in South Boston and then across, under Boston Harbor, coming
up at Logan Airport with a little connector beyond it to tie into Route 1.

The tunnel had a different history. It had initially been proposed in the '60s and at that
time it was proposed to be in the Fort Point Channel, essentially going through the
location of the Boston Tea Party and going through the East Boston community on the
other side of the harbor in order to access Logan Airport. So there was major
controversy. The reason that this Boston community was part of the anti-highway
coalition was because that element of the highway was going to basically cut East Boston
in half and be very disruptive. And the historic impact on the Boston end, disrupting the site
of the Boston Tea Party, had not yet attracted attention, but anybody who
understood federal law would have to realize that that was not gonna happen. In addition
to that, the original location of the tunnel in the Fort Point Channel would have disrupted
the cooling water supply for the Gillette Company, which is the largest manufacturer in
Boston. So the original tunnel idea had many problems with it.

What is getting built is substantially different in that it is located about a half a mile to the
east, all underground, and in areas that were formerly basically railroad areas. So it's
basically going to enhance the developability of that land. It'll be environmentally
compatible because it's below ground, and it, which had been a very controversial item in
this relocated location, has been very strong and very popular ever since. The ironic thing
is that this location idea also came from Bill Reynolds, the same fella who had the idea
about depressing the artery. I mean he's a very creative fellow and really the two central
elements of the Big Dig--putting I-93 underground and the relocation of I-90 under and to
the east of its original conceived location--are both Bill Reynolds' ideas and in both cases
it made all the difference between something that was horrible and eventually something
that's going to be extremely nice for the city as well as a good transportation boost.

From CA/T FSEIR:

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From BRA Industrial Study (1970)

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If someone can suggest a way to upload a PDF to a public server (like Imgur does for images) I'll post the entire Salvucci interview.
 
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Regarding I-93N tunnel under the Fort Point Channel:

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Source: Luberoff & Altshuler's "MEGA-PROJECT -- A Political History of Boston's Multibillion Dollar Artery/Tunnel Project," Rev. April 1996
 
I cut out the last 50 posts from the South Station Tower thread and put them here.
 
Thanks. Firefox crashed right as I sent the request. Wasn't sure if it went through.
 
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Regarding I-93N tunnel under the Fort Point Channel:

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Source: Luberoff & Altshuler's "MEGA-PROJECT -- A Political History of Boston's Multibillion Dollar Artery/Tunnel Project," Rev. April 1996

Sicil -- As I stand corrected about I-93 (though I'm not even sure it was I-93 yet) being under the Fort Point Channel

In my defense I will note that there were a number of proposals for a separate tunnel under the harbor and independently a depressed Central Artery long before they were amalgamated (not quite sure if Integration is appropriate terminology) into the Big Dig. I think the idea of a 3rd tunnel might have already existed by about the time that the 2nd tunnel Callahan Tunnel was being constructed (1960). Of course at that time people were entertaining the idea of leveling South Station.
 
Took a guess at which thread is best for this.

Globe reports the land swap to move the Postal Service building is dead in the water.
[Postal Service]Spokeswoman Maureen Marion said the Postal Service is willing to consider options that support the development of the train station. The agency had once been eager to move.

But at this point, she said, the Postal Service is fine with staying put and has no plans to sell its property.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...ympics-push/MN9TyvIekYZLyrHPqd0k5J/story.html
 
Took a guess at which thread is best for this.

Globe reports the land swap to move the Postal Service building is dead in the water.


http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...ympics-push/MN9TyvIekYZLyrHPqd0k5J/story.html

Well, then I guess someone (at the Federal level) is going to have to force them out. Simply put, they are in the way.

This is the sort of thing where it helps to have powerful Senators and Representatives. (...and why, although I like her as an ideologue, I don't like Elizabeth Warren as a Senator, but that's another story)

EDIT: After reading the article, I don't think there's much news in here. The deal was always stuck, because the USPS has unrealistic expectations for how much they'd be paid for their parking lot. As much as the Globe tried to tie this to the Olympics, its really got very little to do with the Olympics at the moment. South Station expansion is by far the more pressing need, and would happen first.
 
I wonder if it would be possible to gut the ground floor of the Post Office building and building another level on top. I guess it would have to depend on what is down there.
 
I wonder if it would be possible to gut the ground floor of the Post Office building and building another level on top. I guess it would have to depend on what is down there.

In the sense that the tracks would be located in the current building? That seems like more trouble than its worth.
 

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