West Roxbury Infill and Small Developments

5 Redlands​

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“New 30-unit residential building with 45 car parking spaces, bike parking, and loading dock.”

https://www.bostonplans.org/projects/development-projects/5-redlands
 

Condo Project Approved in West Roxbury​

“What is currently a single-family home at 90 Allandale Street in West Roxbury will become eight new homeownership units. This project aligns with the preservation goals of the Open Space and Recreation Plan with respect to Allandale Woods through its conservation of the forested area of the site.”

90 allandale


https://www.bldup.com/posts/condo-project-approved-in-west-roxbury
 
Apparently theyre getting 29 new houses
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I wonder if that dirt road extension at the bottom will be paved to connect it to washington st.
 
Apparently theyre getting 29 new houses
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I wonder if that dirt road extension at the bottom will be paved to connect it to washington st.

I'm not sure. Currently 4945 Washington Street (the large building on the left side of the dirt road) has a locked gate at their property line that prevents through traffic (that's where I took the photo from). The original PNF was clear that the route for accessing Willet from Washington Street would be via Grouse Street -> Thrush Street.
 
Long dormant West Roxbury apartment project revived, now with far less parking
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“The Zoning Board of Appeal yesterday re-approved plans for construction of an 18-unit apartment building on a vacant triangle where a Texaco station used to sit at the intersection of Belgrade Avenue and Beech Street in West Roxbury.

Both the BPDA and the zoning board approved the proposal in 2016, but back in those days, boards were more likely to require lots of parking, especially in leafy areas such as West Roxbury, and so approved 33 parking spaces in an underground garage.

And then, nothing much happened. The remains of the gas station were torn down and a fence erected around the 10,221-square-foot parcel but no actual construction began. Last fall, developer John Douros, who had worked at the gas station as a teenager, told the BPDA he was finally ready to actually begin work. The board approved his request to reduce the number of spaces to 18, now that the agency has seen the virtue of trying to discourage parking, especially for parcels on or near several bus routes and a short walk from a commuter-rail station.”

https://www.universalhub.com/2023/long-dormant-west-roxbury-apartment-project
Looks to be underway:
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Yeah, I noticed over the weekend that a temporary electrical feed had been wired and a construction office trailer had been positioned on the edge of the lot. This is great news!
 
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Look at those construction materials! I think if I got a running start I could run straight through that entire building.
 

Developer wants to triple approved number of parking spaces at West Roxbury condo project; says nobody wants to live there without dedicated parking​


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“A developer who won approval in August for a 30-unit condo project with 11 parking spaces on Grove Street at Washington Street in West Roxbury yesterday asked the Boston Planning Department to let him put in 30 parking spaces instead.

In a project-change request, an attorney for Derrick Fitzgerald's S & F Development said denial of the request could lead to the project's financial demise before ground is even broken because there just aren't enough people ready for the car-less lifestyle at an intersection only directly served by a bus route - and that without the extra parking, he could also lose the 17-unit condo building he recently completed next door, on Washington Street at Grove, where the Lee Myles transmission place used to be:…..”
https://www.universalhub.com/2025/developer-wants-triple-approved-number-parking
 
It's not that there's a lack of people 'ready' for a car-less lifestyle as these units being built doesn't create car-less people by making them ditch their cars (they don't have them to begin with). The likely issue here is that they are marketing them to a population that does own a car or two. I'd guess the price point is high enough that potential buyers with the right income level to afford these have cars even if they don't need them daily.
I'd recommend they challenge the developer to reduce the price of the units instead. It's clearly going to be a substantial cost to add the parking with no unit count increase. Find an equilibrium between the cost of building parking and the "loss" of revenue from lower selling prices. If I'm a developer, I'd rather build what I have approved already and forget reengineering the whole thing and the increased costs of construction.
"because there just aren't enough people ready for the car-less lifestyle at an intersection only directly served by a bus route"
 
West Roxbury and Roslindale badly need the Orange Line. An OLX would allow for a frequent one-seat ride to/from the rest of Boston, and it would be a lot easier to go car-free or low-car. Living car-free or low-car in West Rox can be a pain when the Commuter Rail only comes once an hour (or once every two hours on the weekends).

I hope an Orange Line extension (and a Green Line extension) to replace the Needham Line are the next extensions after the Red-Blue connector.
 
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They can also park on the street like everyone else around there. Not having parking in that building doesn’t mean you can’t live there and have a car. The request is bullshit; as someone else just said, it’s not a question of not being able to sell the condos, it’s a question of what sort of person you can sell the condo too, and for how much.
 
West Roxbury and Roslindale badly need the Orange Line. An OLX would allow for a frequent one-seat ride to/from the rest of Boston, and it would be a lot easier to go car-free or low-car. Living car-free or low-car in West Rox can be a pain when the Commuter Rail only comes once an hour (or once every two hours on the weekends).

I hope an Orange Line extension (and a Green Line extension) to replace the Needham Line are the next extensions after the Red-Blue connector.
It should definitely be a high priority extension, but it unfortunately wouldn't help people in this particular part of West Roxbury, which is pretty far from the Needham Line ROW. Even without an OLX, the sections of Roslindale and West Roxbury along the ROW are fairly feasible for car free or at least car light living. But the American Legion corridor/East Rozzie and Washington Street section of Westie are just really bad for transit accessibility under any foreseeable near term.

This request by the developer also raises another thorny issue for urbanists and transit activists. We're mostly pretty strongly in favor of eliminating parking minimums, and often argue it based on the idea that developers and the market should decide. That' premised on the assumption that the more libertarian approach would lead to fewer parking spots being built. But what if it does the opposite? If we think arguing the merits of no minimums is difficult, imagine having to argue the merits of a cap.
 
It should definitely be a high priority extension, but it unfortunately wouldn't help people in this particular part of West Roxbury, which is pretty far from the Needham Line ROW. Even without an OLX, the sections of Roslindale and West Roxbury along the ROW are fairly feasible for car free or at least car light living. But the American Legion corridor/East Rozzie and Washington Street section of Westie are just really bad for transit accessibility under any foreseeable near term.
One thing to consider, though, for any extension of any line, is that it automatically adds additional potential access via bus routes, either with or without reconfiguring lines. I know it's still a tough sell, but a shorter bus route to rapid transit is still a lot better than a long bus route to same.

On the one hand, though, I understand that this is not an area that many people would like to live in, car free. However, while I also see the risk in forcing new projects "suffer" to impose a future transportation policy that favors public transit, at the same time, it really is paramount that the system start changing itself now, and drive the needed changes. If anytime a development says, "this is too far from transit" we allow parking, that only perpetuates the problem.

The real question is: what are the barriers to development projects like this that favor cheaper housing and apartments, rather than overpriced condos? There are plenty of people who would choose to live out here be car free, and on average I am quite sure they tend to be less affluent. That's fine and those are the people who need housing the most anyway. I think we are missing the real issue here, which isn't really a parking policy question but rather a housing cost question. Simply put, richer people who can afford expensive condos dont want to live way out in West Roxbury without a car. That's fine, but maybe the real villain here is, once again, bad housing policy rather than bad transportation and parking policy.
 
One thing to consider, though, for any extension of any line, is that it automatically adds additional potential access via bus routes, either with or without reconfiguring lines. I know it's still a tough sell, but a shorter bus route to rapid transit is still a lot better than a long bus route to same.

On the one hand, though, I understand that this is not an area that many people would like to live in, car free. However, while I also see the risk in forcing new projects "suffer" to impose a future transportation policy that favors public transit, at the same time, it really is paramount that the system start changing itself now, and drive the needed changes. If anytime a development says, "this is too far from transit" we allow parking, that only perpetuates the problem.

The real question is: what are the barriers to development projects like this that favor cheaper housing and apartments, rather than overpriced condos? There are plenty of people who would choose to live out here be car free, and on average I am quite sure they tend to be less affluent. That's fine and those are the people who need housing the most anyway. I think we are missing the real issue here, which isn't really a parking policy question but rather a housing cost question. Simply put, richer people who can afford expensive condos dont want to live way out in West Roxbury without a car. That's fine, but maybe the real villain here is, once again, bad housing policy rather than bad transportation and parking policy.
To drive car free living, you need more than transit -- you also need clusters of housing around neighborhood essential retail and services -- the 15 minute city design. In car free living, most of your "transit" needs to be walking.

For the periods where I have lived car free, I have always had a Walk Score that was the same or higher than the Transit Score, and both in the high 90's.
 
To drive car free living, you need more than transit -- you also need clusters of housing around neighborhood essential retail and services -- the 15 minute city design. In car free living, most of your "transit" needs to be walking.

For the periods where I have lived car free, I have always had a Walk Score that was the same or higher than the Transit Score, and both in the high 90's.
Right but to get good transit, at a certain point you have to stop subsidizing cars, and let the inability to have a car drive demand from the government to actually invest in transit. The same goes for development patterns and influencing local zoning, and that's even more feasible since that is local regulations. The area this project is in is a far outlying suburb. By almost any standard it's not a very nice place to live; it's the exurb version of Boston and Washington St is largely a barren highway here. If you filled it up with large apartment blocks and did not subsidize cars, that would drive demand for more local stores, watering holes, etc. Give them cars and they'll keep driving away to satisfy their needs.
 
To drive car free living, you need more than transit -- you also need clusters of housing around neighborhood essential retail and services -- the 15 minute city design. In car free living, most of your "transit" needs to be walking.

For the periods where I have lived car free, I have always had a Walk Score that was the same or higher than the Transit Score, and both in the high 90's.
And really, if the Walk Score is strong, the Transit Score can be quite a bit lower. Taking my own example, my Walk Score is 94, whereas both transit and bike score are about 60. This works just fine for me, because I can do most things by walking. And really, I think the transit and bike scores are off, because I am near good transit, just not quite walkable. Going back to @FK4's point about short bus rides vs long bus rides to transit, my short bus ride to Forest Hills means that I don't really feel under served. But all of this is also somewhat dependent on individuals choosing to be less reliant on car mobility. I look for ways to not drive, and because I do, I start to see them.
 

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