Winthrop Center | 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

[dotdude78]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

How much is Millenium Partners paying you to be a cheerleader?

So what? I'll be a cheerleader too if it helps at all.

It'll be *really* sad if this project gets derailed due to a couple of sensitive quacks who are afraid there will be a shadow on Boston Common for 10 minutes in the early morning.

 

[JumboBuc]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

As I've said before on this forum, I love "Let Boston Rise" as a slogan. But man, that website really ruins it. Way to take what could be a great YIMBY rallying cry and turn it in to a fake, corporate trademark...

 

[Sicilian]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

So what? I'll be a cheerleader too if it helps at all.

It'll be *really* sad if this project gets derailed due to a couple of sensitive quacks who are afraid there will be a shadow on Boston Common for 10 minutes in the early morning.

Duration of new shadow on Boston Common will approach 90 minutes in mid-September. Captured here, approximately one hour of shadow.

Source from BPDA video: http://www.bostonplans.org/projects/development-projects/115-winthrop-square

 

[chrisbrat]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

Duration of new shadow on Boston Common will approach 90 minutes in mid-September. Captured here, approximately one hour of shadow.

Source from BPDA video: http://www.bostonplans.org/projects/development-projects/115-winthrop-square

BFD. this is a city. folks so overly concerned with height and shadows should move to concord or new hampshire.

 

[Sicilian]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

BFD. this is a city. folks so overly concerned with height and shadows should move to concord or new hampshire.

I was responding to alternative facts, nothing more.

Your post is an example of how intelligent discussion/debate can be easily squelched. If that's your objective, congrats.

 

[datadyne007]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

As I've said before on this forum, I love "Let Boston Rise" as a slogan. But man, that website really ruins it. Way to take what could be a great YIMBY rallying cry and turn it in to a fake, corporate trademark...

It is actually in Millennium's style template, just with colors swapped. Note that the fonts & buttons all match the ones on http://millenniumtowerboston.com.

I was responding to alternative facts, nothing more.

Your post is an example of how intelligent discussion/debate can be easily squelched. If that's your objective, congrats.

Agreed. You were simply correcting the 10 minute claim with the facts without editorializing/giving your opinion.

 

[JeffDowntown]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

BFD. this is a city. folks so overly concerned with height and shadows should move to concord or new hampshire.

I would point out that the 8:26 AM capture for Sept 10 points out what a ridiculous argument this is.

At that point (on to 8:49 AM) the shadow is a micro-dot. A park bench throws a bigger shadow.

 

[chrisbrat]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

I was responding to alternative facts, nothing more.

Your post is an example of how intelligent discussion/debate can be easily squelched. If that's your objective, congrats.

my comment was directed at those who use the data you supplied as ammo to stall/kill projects such as this -- it was not directed at you, personally.

if your objective was to come across as thin-skinned and reactionary, congrats.

 

[GW]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

^^what, no honorable mention for #2722?

the reason i've been posting in the Globe, advocating for the Garden Garage Tower, Harbor Garage Tower, 115 Fed, 1 Bromfield, etc, hasn't been only to reach nice and reasonable people – but, to try to help persuade Martin Walsh and the Building Dept

1. to treat the >135~150m highrise proposals as a package, and the land upon which they will rest as 'legacy sites for very tall construction.'

2. don't deviate from the Big Plan.

3. don't fear the loud nimby junkyard dogs.

4. the silent majority has your back.

5. we'll cut the bastards off at the pass (expose the obstructionist as the frauds that they are).

Some are showing signs of fatigue. convinced Galer 'everything will be fine,' including 1 Bromfield. He's open to getting on board with 'The BIG PLAN.' *(provided a 'few things can get done).' That's significant because 1. he represents the The Boston Preservation Alliance and Friends of the PG. 2. He has been the loudest opponent of 1 Bromfield St, 533 Washington St, and 171 Tremont St.

He's backtracked from that position at 1 Bromfield. But he's under great pressure from rabid nimby, including the Board of Directors at BPA.

I really could do without these animal metaphors. Ditto the echoes of Nixon's (and now Trump's) political rhetoric. Calm the eff down.

 

[odurandina]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

Columbus Ctr was an INCREDBLE project that would have helped cover a significant piece of i-90. Fenway Ctr has floundered due to nimby opposition. Copley Sq Tower (RIP) would have gone a long way to fixing Copley. Garden Garage should have been up 2 years ago.

Failed projects like Columbus Ctr and Filenes can have a chilling effect on developers.

Do you like that it takes 20 years to build something taller than 400 feet? Do you like your shitty tax base and 10 years late improvements to the T? i'm not saying those projects would have solved housing. But, when MT was rising, there was a significant under-supply all over the city.

The unhinged nimby have contributed to these problems.

 

[393b40]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

You have a lovely revisionist mindset. All those projects died due to economics or inexperience.

 

[GW]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

Columbus Ctr was an INCREDBLE project that would have helped cover a significant piece of i-90. Fenway Ctr has floundered due to nimby opposition. Copley Sq Tower (RIP) would have gone a long way to fixing Copley. Garden Garage should have been up 2 years ago.

Failed projects like Columbus Ctr and Filenes can have a chilling effect on developers.

Do you like that it takes 20 years to build something taller than 400 feet? Do you like your shitty tax base and 10 years late improvements to the T? i'm not saying those projects would have solved housing. But, when MT was rising, there was a significant under-supply all over the city.

The unhinged nimby have contributed to these problems.

There's something really creepy about the way you use "the nimby" (in the singular) to refer to a group of people.

 

[stick n move]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

Im all for development, but be careful what you wish for. Have you been on the red line or mass pike lately? The city was able to handle more people living here in the past, but never this many cars or commuters. I cant even imagine all of those projects above being completed by now before any significant upgrade to transit. I93 is gridlock from sun up to sundown 85% of the time and the mass pike was improved for about 2 weeks after the upgrades before everyone noticed, now its worse than ever. The trains speak for themselves check out park st at 5pm sometime.

 

[kmp1284]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

Columbus Ctr was an INCREDBLE project that would have helped cover a significant piece of i-90. Fenway Ctr has floundered due to nimby opposition. Copley Sq Tower (RIP) would have gone a long way to fixing Copley. Garden Garage should have been up 2 years ago.

Failed projects like Columbus Ctr and Filenes can have a chilling effect on developers.

Do you like that it takes 20 years to build something taller than 400 feet? Do you like your shitty tax base and 10 years late improvements to the T? i'm not saying those projects would have solved housing. But, when MT was rising, there was a significant under-supply all over the city.

The unhinged nimby have contributed to these problems.

Speaking of shitty tax bases, don't you live out by 495? What business do you have attempting to dictate what is built in Boston when you have no skin in the game?

 

[JeffDowntown]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

Im all for development, but be careful what you wish for. Have you been on the red line or mass pike lately? The city was able to handle more people living here in the past, but never this many cars or commuters. I cant even imagine all of those projects above being completed by now before any significant upgrade to transit. I93 is gridlock from sun up to sundown 85% of the time and the mass pike was improved for about 2 weeks after the upgrades before everyone noticed, now its worse than ever. The trains speak for themselves check out park st at 5pm sometime.

OK, but a big part of what we are building in the urban core is residential.

And the reason why many of us live there is so that we can walk to work. No stress on the T, no I-93, no Pike -- walk.

 

[JohnAKeith]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

Well of course the website is run by Millennium Partners' ad company.

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[DZH22]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

You have a lovely revisionist mindset. All those projects died due to economics or inexperience.

Part of the economics issue is that the costs went up too drastically as the projects dragged through the approval processes. The length of time it took is a big reason some of them were ultimately rendered infeasible.

 

[odurandina]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

Hey, i like the variety, i'm not gonna lie.

You guys saw my 'insanely tall/to-the-limit render for Bay Bay.'

Part of the economics issue is that the costs went up too drastically as the projects dragged through the approval processes. The length of time it took is a big reason some of them were ultimately rendered infeasible.

You have a lovely revisionist mindset. All those projects died due to economics or inexperience.

Yes. Their stall tactics were incredibly effective.

We're not talking about 14 skyscrapers.

We're talking about 1 + a 'superthin' with some nice resident highrises in the Downtown and West End.

Stick, nicely done.

Im all for development, but be careful what you wish for....

 

[Reznor]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

OK, but a big part of what we are building in the urban core is residential.

And the reason why many of us live there is so that we can walk to work. No stress on the T, no I-93, no Pike -- walk.

Correct. Many firms are implementing more flexible work arrangements. With either WFH days built in or flexible work hours to accommodate some of the traffic concerns. I know a couple firms I've worked at started this and reduced people's anxiety (those with longer commutes) around traffic considerably.

 

[DZH22]

Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

Im all for development, but be careful what you wish for. Have you been on the red line or mass pike lately?

If we don't allow development in the concentrated urban area, we instead see more of it out in the suburbs. When more residents are living outside the city, it is going to clog the roads/infrastructure leading back into the city. I wouldn't expect additional residential within Boston to add much more to the commuting hell-scape. Additional office space, without providing workers a convenient place to live nearby, could certainly add to the strain.