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Equilibria said:
Is that really true, or does it just seem that way because you're checking those SSC/SSP threads once a month and these threads ten times a day? I ask because I experience the same feeling and often have to remind myself how long it's actually been on those projects.

I mean, Chicago waited many years for Wolf Point and River Point, though 150 North Riverside was pretty sudden - that's not even touching the Spire. Pittsburgh has only had one skyscraper of size recently, and that one moved fast because a company with means was building it for itself (hence removing the "secure financing" and "find an anchor tenant" steps), and it still took 4 years from announcement to opening. According to Wikipedia, the Bow in Calgary was announced in 2006 and completed in 2012. That's not that far off of a Boston timeframe.

There's also the fact that we don't hear about these proposals in other cities until formal documents are filed, which means they're a ways into design. Around here, we're following it from the first possible second.
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Equilib --things not only seem to be more deliberate here than many other places -- it does really take longer to get from the original idea to a finished project

However, that is OK for a city like Boston which will soon celebrate being 400 years old -- but not just 400 years old -- 400 years of Global Importance -- from the first Public Park to the HQ of the First Digital Industrial Company

So its OK if a decade passes between a concept and a building that will probably still be part of the discussion in 2115

PS: my last year in Austin [1984] was spent watching several downtown developers race to finish empty spec office towers before the real estate market collapsed -- only one of 3 towers on the main downtown street was going to have any chance of any tenants for years -- yet on they came fighting for the finish line. --- One developer made the National News by running an illuminated 2 story fountain in the empty lobby of his empty tower
 
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novacat said:
The actual process to develop and build in Boston is one of the slowest, most expensive and restrictive of any city in the Country from both a cost and time to build standpoint. California (LA, SD,SF), New York City and maybe DC are on par or worse in this sense. A developments timing depends on a whole host of factors and this is just one of them.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/04/opinion/cities-for-everyone.html
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Thanks for the link to the article. I almost always enjoy Krugman.
You mention LA, SF, New York, DC and Boston taking longer to build. Isn't that because we have more leverage. When an energy company or a financial company wants to build a tall tower in Oklahoma City or Cincinnati, the city kind of has to jump at the chance, right?
 
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I thought they were going to release them sometime this afternoon.
 
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Hudson group proposal for a Federal St cultural pavilion at the current site of the Winthrop garage. Other submissions by HYM; Millennium Partners; Transnational; Accordia Partners.

This pavilion reminds me of the 2008 birds nest stadium in Beijing.
 
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Would you mind linking where you got that picture?

Never mind I found the tweet it is from.
 
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Landlease/Hudson Group.

I love the design of this. The pavilion that I posted earlier could be improved though.
 
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Accordia or Lendlease please! The rest are pretty terrible
 
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All of these proposals look pretty good - Trinity is the weakest looking, imo.

I like Landlease, HYM and TransNational the best.
 
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I'm all for LendLease, TransNational, and HYM, in that order. I'm particularly fond of HYM's ground level/trade with St. Anthony's on first look but the tower is... missing something...

I don't know what Trinity was thinking here...
 
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1. LANDLEASE
2. HYM
3. No
4. No
5. No
6. No
Accordia....what happened?!
 
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I love this. Almost makes up for the mediocre tower. This is for the Millennium proposal.

Does anyone know a rough timeline on when the proposals will be chosen?
 
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My ranking:

Lendlease - Design is unique, iconic, and stands out. This tower would be what the Swiss Re Tower is to London. Literally would be the new symbol of Boston, easily displacing the JHT.

HYM - It's not a box and it's not offensive but that's because it's pretty bland.

Transnational - Intriguing because of the twin tower (2 for the price of one yay). Could be like the Time Warner towers of Boston. The design however is not very creative.

Millennium - Safe bet to deliver something of quality (because it's Millennium Partners) but they lack the creativity to think outside the box (literally)

Trinity - Ummm it's the Avalon North Station stacked on top of Tremont on the Common but at least it's not too offensive looking?

Accordia - It's green.
 
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Lendlease please.
 
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Lendlease is BADASS. Did you see the photos of it lit up at night???
 
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Sexy.
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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.
 
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reverend_paco said:
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.
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What??
 
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reverend_paco said:
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.
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Nice.
 
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