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Re: 111 Federal St. | Formerly Trans National Place (Winthrop Square) Part 2

After looking at all the proposals I think that the Accordia proposal is still a very high quality proposal and I would be happy with Lendlease, Accordia, or HYM (aside from their timeline).
 
Re: 111 Federal St. | Formerly Trans National Place (Winthrop Square) Part 2

bayvillagebrahmin said:
Not a lot of love for the Accordia Observation Deck. I think it looks unbelievable.
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It's quite nice, and the massing on p.51 of the proposal is too. I just wish they could have translated this into something that actually looks good.

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Other goodies in the PDFs: Millennium needed to go with the napkin...

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And HYM was the only one to render with One Bromfield. Lendlease went with pictures old enough to exclude MT (Atlantic Wharf is U/C in them).

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Re: 111 Federal St. | Formerly Trans National Place (Winthrop Square) Part 2

Accordia would be a much better proposal if it wasn't green. Why? Also the trend of putting vegetation ontop of buildings is such a fad, it looks so dumb on this tower.
 
Re: 111 Federal St. | Formerly Trans National Place (Winthrop Square) Part 2

If Lendlease isn't chosen, maybe they could work that tower into their proposal for the Volpe site. I think it would actually work better there than at the Winthrop St Garage.
 
Re: 111 Federal St. | Formerly Trans National Place (Winthrop Square) Part 2

1 Landlease it's not even close. If they show they can get it done I hope the BRA selects them.

2 Accordia - I actually like this proposal. Surprised it's getting so much negative reaction so far.
3 HYM Very nice but waiting 7 years or maybe longer? No thanks.
4 TransNational not bad but nothing special either
5 Millennium love MP but I think it's time for someone new.
6 Trinity basically a filler building. after what the city asked for how do they submit that?

I don't feel like going back to check but I'm curious who dropped out? Fallon and who else?
 
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Re: 111 Federal St. | Formerly Trans National Place (Winthrop Square) Part 2

TRINITY
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Re: 111 Federal St. | Formerly Trans National Place (Winthrop Square) Part 2

TRANSNATIONAL
HEIGHT: 725' TO UNKNOWN

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Re: 111 Federal St. | Formerly Trans National Place (Winthrop Square) Part 2

MILLENNIUM
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LENDLEASE
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HYM
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ACCORDIA
HEIGHT: 725' TO DECK OF ROOF, TIP UNKNOWN

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Re: 111 Federal St. | Formerly Trans National Place (Winthrop Square) Part 2

Lendlease times 200 million. WTF IS ACCORDIA DOING. They had it nailed.....never seen something go from that good to that bad before, they pulled the biggest bait and switch in history. Trinity is a joke. Millennium I could live with...but this is THE parcel to go iconic. I don't want to just be like yea its not bad when I look at whats built on this parcel. All of these are manageable but why is that what were getting? New York is throwing up some architecture now that looks even better than some of the art deco they have which I never thought would be possible.
 
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Re: 111 Federal St. | Formerly Trans National Place (Winthrop Square) Part 2

As I look at the Accordia proposal, I am taken aback by what they're trying to do with texture. I think I am so used to seeing hazy/gauzy renders, that subtlety is often lost.

As I was looking at those diagonal striations, I thought that it was a typical overly-wrought render:

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but it looks like this effect is the cause of these rotating mullions (someone with an actual architecture background could tell me what the term for what I'm describing really is)...

You can see them closer here:
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I don't know if that was in the original Accordia proposal or not, but I find it very interesting.
 
Re: 111 Federal St. | Formerly Trans National Place (Winthrop Square) Part 2

Despite it being an unpopular choice now, I still like the new Accordia proposal. I think the massing is really cool, but I do agree that the green is really weird. If they could subdue how green it is, I'd like it a lot more.

With that said, Lendlease looks the best...any chance they can build that, and have HYM build their proposal on St. Anthony's Shrine? Please??
 
Re: 111 Federal St. | Formerly Trans National Place (Winthrop Square) Part 2

LENDLEASE!!!!! LENDLEASE!!!!! LENDLEASE!!!!!

What an outstanding proposal. Something uniquely different yet fits in with Boston.

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If I had to pick a second, it would be HYM. But it's wayyyy down on my list.

Trinity should be embarassed with theirs. Accordia had an very, very solid design before and ruined it.
 
Re: 111 Federal St. | Formerly Trans National Place (Winthrop Square) Part 2

wow, that lendlease building looks great!
 
Re: 111 Federal St. | Formerly Trans National Place (Winthrop Square) Part 2

stick n move said:
.......but this is THE parcel to go iconic.......We need to demand an Icon here because this parcel will make or break the city.......This is going to the the defining tower of downtown......
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I actually completely disagree with this sentiment. It WOULD HAVE BEEN everything you say, except that it's capped at 725'. Considering 1 Bromfield looks to be taller, this parcel will likely only be the 2nd tallest downtown and 5th in the city by the time it's built. It's not as important as it would have been if it could have supported a new tallest.

Right now 1 Bromfield is more iconic than most of these, and even if Lendlease is built, it won't replace the (former) Hancock on the totem pole. Hell, it will be ~30' shorter than 1 Dalton.

Frankly, THE most obvious parcels to go iconic are the ones being screwed up by Boston Properties. (North Station and Back Bay Garage) All we're doing now is raising the rest of the plateau closer to the (former) Hancock/Pru. Nothing short of a new tallest is worthy of your above reaction in terms of skyline impact.
 
Re: 111 Federal St. | Formerly Trans National Place (Winthrop Square) Part 2

Millennium looks great from these angles.


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Of course its too much to ask to get real renders of what this looks like. Then they take something that looks this good make it a fatass on the other 2 sides and put the most beligerantly huge podium on it iv ever seen. Come on people. The podium is like half the height of the tower. What is that like 3 different buildings. The podium is literally made up of as many towers as Worcester's entire skyline.....probably taller too. Set backs are one thing and can look good but a podium half the height of the whole friggin tower...... They just did a great podium at MT, looks like they didn't learn anything from their pervious successes.
 
Re: 111 Federal St. | Formerly Trans National Place (Winthrop Square) Part 2

1. (Tie) Lendlease, great all around, but possibly a strange base?
1. HYM, great ground level design, sleek, but very long timeline
3. Transnational, looks nice, not exciting/iconic
4. Millennium, great base, eh tower
5. Accordia, great massing, awkward color/exterior
6. Trinity, self explanatory.
 
Re: 111 Federal St. | Formerly Trans National Place (Winthrop Square) Part 2

Everyone has an opinion... Well, to me the lendlease tower looks like a silly penis. It way too over the top, especially for Boston. It's semi-classy but the flourishes make it ridiculous. The gherkin in London although futuristic has class... If Boston had a lot of room to grow nearby, I'd be more supportive, but it looks too out of place.

I like millennium, it fits in but is nice. Too fat on the wide side - either go higher or slimmer. Also the grooves are reminiscent of the csc tower. But I like it the best.
 
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