MA Casino Developments

[tangent]

^Good news for Taunton....lucky for them, they don't have Curtatone nearby.

Maybe Everett should get a tribe to declare a reservation on the Mystic River

 

[datadyne007]

Wynn got the building permit from Everett:

Wynn casino gets building permit from city of Everett

By Sean P. Murphy GLOBE STAFF MAY 09, 2016

Three years after Everett residents overwhelmingly backed a casino plan from Las Vegas developer Steve Wynn, city officials have issued a building permit to Wynn Resorts for a $2 billion casino and hotel complex on the Mystic River.

“The people of Everett have eagerly awaited this day for years,” said Everett Mayor Carlo DeMaria. “This is a major milestone for Wynn and another positive step forward for Everett and beyond.”


The permit was never much in doubt for the massive project, which will include extensive environmental cleanup of the 33-acre property.

But it signifies that Wynn is poised to begin construction of a vast casino and 24-story curved-glass hotel — if it clears one last regulatory hurdle.

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A hearing for Somerville’s appeal is scheduled for June 2.


The building permit triggered a $5 million payment from Wynn Resorts to Everett, the first installment of a $30 million commitment from the casino.

Everett will receive the money before the casino’s opening, now scheduled for late 2018.

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Full article: http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...ity-everett/VYrtNn6lowNd5yl4LgUGyN/story.html

 

[TheRifleman]

Everett will be responsible for altering Traffic to Boston in a very negative way for the surrounding areas.

The city/state should be mapping out a serious plan for major infrastructure changes before this Casino is built.
(Same thing is happening with Seaport)
Build first mentality don't worry about the infrastructure.

 

[cca]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Looks like Dubai without the complete waste of peoples time and labor.

Um ..what? A casino is nothing but a waste of peoples time and labor.

cca

 

[atlantaden]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Um ..what? A casino is nothing but a waste of peoples time and labor.

cca

The same can be said about.....beer gardens, bars, nightclubs, dog/horse tracks, computers (gaming, Facebook, archBoston, etc), phones (Facebook, Snapchat, sexting, archBoston,etc), and the list goes on and on. It's all a matter of what some people consider their entertainment. Your waste of time and labor is someone else's entertainment! Cheers!

 

[whighlander]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Um ..what? A casino is nothing but a waste of peoples time and labor.

cca

CCA -- the ball has been dropped, the wheel has spun and now the ball has settled into the cup -- its too late to undo the casino -- by the way do you feel the same way about a bowling alley, horse track, movie theatre, a pool hall, or a baseball / soccer stadium?

Can we just make the tacit assumption that it will be built barring a sudden asteroid impact and get on with how it should look, people will go to and fro and other such typical AB Forum discussions

 

[tangent]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

CCA -- the ball has been dropped, the wheel has spun and now the ball has settled into the cup -- its too late to undo the casino -- by the way do you feel the same way about a bowling alley, horse track, movie theatre, a pool hall, or a baseball / soccer stadium?

Can we just make the tacit assumption that it will be built barring a sudden asteroid impact and get on with how it should look, people will go to and fro and other such typical AB Forum discussions

Personally I hope we can get back to the pedestrian walkability/bikability discussions now that the lawsuits and other public fights are over. This development could be so much more than an isolated destination and the investments could help pull together the Mystic River waterfront into a really cool and vibrant area with its mix of entertainment, shopping, offices, residential, hotels and riverfront parks.

The area could all be tied together with just a bit of attention to creating a continuous River walk/harborwalk and some pedestrian friendly ways across the river. The area is already getting multiple billion dollar investments, now it just needs some hundreds of thousands of dollars for a few sidewalks, pathways and eventually a pedestrian bridge and some docks for a water shuttle to tie it all together.

 

[cca]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

CCA -- the ball has been dropped, the wheel has spun and now the ball has settled into the cup -- its too late to undo the casino -- by the way do you feel the same way about a bowling alley, horse track, movie theatre, a pool hall, or a baseball / soccer stadium?

Can we just make the tacit assumption that it will be built barring a sudden asteroid impact and get on with how it should look, people will go to and fro and other such typical AB Forum discussions

yup ... those are all places to waste time. You guys are the best.

cca

Ps. I am not saying don't build it by the way. Just don't fool yourself what its all about. Its a machine for extracting money from people. Just like all those other places mentioned in that last two posts.

 

[Coyote137]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

That's how things work in a capitalist society, yes? Businesses "extract" money from people for goods and services.

 

[JeffDowntown]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Personally I hope we can get back to the pedestrian walkability/bikability discussions now that the lawsuits and other public fights are over. This development could be so much more than an isolated destination and the investments could help pull together the Mystic River waterfront into a really cool and vibrant area with its mix of entertainment, shopping, offices, residential, hotels and riverfront parks.

The area could all be tied together with just a bit of attention to creating a continuous River walk/harborwalk and some pedestrian friendly ways across the river. The area is already getting multiple billion dollar investments, now it just needs some hundreds of thousands of dollars for a few sidewalks, pathways and eventually a pedestrian bridge and some docks for a water shuttle to tie it all together.

The challenge is that casino operators want none of this. They want to pull you inside, and never have you see the light of day again until you are drained of cash.

This is why Atlantic City remained a wasteland right up to the big casino's on the boardwalk. There was zero interest in investing in the surrounding area, investment that might distract you from dropping money in the casino.

 

[FK4]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

The same can be said about.....beer gardens, bars, nightclubs, dog/horse tracks, computers (gaming, Facebook, archBoston, etc), phones (Facebook, Snapchat, sexting, archBoston,etc), and the list goes on and on. It's all a matter of what some people consider their entertainment. Your waste of time and labor is someone else's entertainment! Cheers!

Well... the difference is that, aside from purveyors of alcohol, those places mentioned dont generally lead to true addictions and destruction of families. Places of gambling do. In a state riven by addictions, it's pretty ironic that the government would approve a casino.

 

[Jahvon09]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Well... the difference is that, aside from purveyors of alcohol, those places mentioned dont generally lead to true addictions and destruction of families. Places of gambling do. In a state riven by addictions, it's pretty ironic that the government would approve a casino.

It is a done deal. The train has already left the station.

Eastie turned it down, thanks to their minds being poisoned by some church organization that didn't want it in the first place - naming all the BAD things that they claim might happen.

Same thing with Revere.

I think that it's a good idea to have a casino. The sign of the times.

 

[atlantaden]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Well... the difference is that, aside from purveyors of alcohol, those places mentioned dont generally lead to true addictions and destruction of families. Places of gambling do. In a state riven by addictions, it's pretty ironic that the government would approve a casino.

Hmmm, talk to Anthony Weiner about sexting and the destruction of families. All brought about by the telephone! Before that it was the computer and chat rooms. Before that, newspaper ads looking for hookups. Addictive for some people, and yes, addictive for a few and maybe destructive for them.
The Puritans tried to ban most sorts of entertainment; they ended up hanging women (and a few men) as witches. The trials themselves became quite the entertainment venue for many of the straightlaced, repressed locals. Frankly, the vast majority of people who go to Wynn's casino will go there for the pure value of entertainment, whether it will be the dining, the shopping, or the gambling...or a combination of all three. That's all it will be for most...entertainment.

 

[cca]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

That's how things work in a capitalist society, yes? Businesses "extract" money from people for goods and services.

Yup. You are right. People give up their income for things they find equally valuable.

Man, I just love agreeing with people. How is a casino any different than my local sub shop? Its not! Awesome!

cca

 

[tangent]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Yup. You are right. People give up their income for things they find equally valuable.

Man, I just love agreeing with people. How is a casino any different than my local sub shop? Its not! Awesome!

It's not. Except with sub shops you have lots of different sub shops and other restaurants to choose from. With the regional monopoly licenses for casinos the government has made it its business to choose the best possible option ahead of time. It is a high stakes gamble.

As we have discussed before, it does matter who owns and profits from the casino and whether those profits that go out of state are offset by investments back into the state economy somehow.

With sub shops you have national chains that exist to provide profits to out of state investors and you have locally owned sub shops which are owned by local owners who will spend their money back into the local economy.

I tend libertarian so I don't think the government really should have been in the business of picking winners and losers for casino licenses and there should have simply been legalization, but given the government monopoly model chosen we don't have the choice to have small local gambling with local ownership (except using a non-profit model...) so it is worthwhile to talk about as a public issue where the money is going and how the state can best capture and reinvest the gambling revenues to better attract out of state investment and support local redevelopment.

 

[whighlander]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Well... the difference is that, aside from purveyors of alcohol, those places mentioned dont generally lead to true addictions and destruction of families. Places of gambling do. In a state riven by addictions, it's pretty ironic that the government would approve a casino.

FK -- OK let's start by closing down all the "Variety" and similar shops around Boston -- their principal customers are either smokers or "addicted" players of Keno or the Lottery

of course they do sell the occasional loaf of bread or newspaper

Same with a Hotel that also has a casino and a winter garden -- might do a wedding or a 50th Anniversary party some time as well as "sucking money from the gullible"

Your choice

 

[tangent]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Casino owners don't want it, but we can (and do) extract it from them. Build the state the infrastructure and public amenities that we need/want, you get to build your casino.

Leaving it up to a casino operator to do solely what they want is rarely a good idea.

You don't make the casino operator do anything outside the casino. You just tax the revenue and use it to actually improve the local area. The risk is that the politicians don't see the benefits in improving the surrounding area and divert money to their constituents. Which is fine, but the state has an interest in making this a beautiful area for tourists.

Full legalization brings with it all of the pitfalls that the naysayers have brought up repeatedly. It gives you Atlantic City. Restricting it to one high value license keeps the bar high.

Atlantic City doesn't have full legalization. Full legalization would result in some gambling in small bars and entertainment venues. It wouldn't be the end of the world.

 

[lapradetom]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Riddle: How can you come out of Wynn's casino with a small fortune?
Answer: You enter with a large one.

 

[RandomWalk]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Casinos are the Norway Maples of development: They grow quickly and stifle all nearby development.

 

[whighlander]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

It's not. Except with sub shops you have lots of different sub shops and other restaurants to choose from. With the regional monopoly licenses for casinos the government has made it its business to choose the best possible option ahead of time. It is a high stakes gamble.

With sub shops you have national chains that exist to provide profits to out of state investors and you have locally owned sub shops which are owned by local owners who will spend their money back into the local economy.

I tend libertarian so I don't think the government really should have been in the business of picking winners and losers for casino licenses and there should have simply been legalization, but given the government monopoly model chosen we don't have the choice to have small local gambling with local ownership (except using a non-profit model...) so it is worthwhile to talk about as a public issue where the money is going and how the state can best capture and reinvest the gambling revenues to better attract out of state investment and support local redevelopment.

Tangent -- Yes, because of the Indian Tribal enhancement act or whatever we got Foxwoods and then Mohegan Sun. Then capitalism intervened and we got a whole bunch of other "sort of tribal" proposals and now finally we have the gov't picking a few non-tribal proposals

However, we do have the purer-form of gambling capitalism through the gov't authorized lottery and keno which are purveyed by hundreds of mom-and-pop and whatever local shops whose other business is mostly selling cigarettes to those addicted to tobacco