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palindrome said:
Out of left field here but what about playing at alumni stadium at BC until they have their own? The neighborhood would have a collective heart attack but at least it's on some transit.
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Alumni Stadium couldn't fit a pitch wide enough to meet FIFA (and MLS) standards.

All FIFA-approved fields must be 70-80 yards wide. Most MLS pitches (including Gillette) are 75 yards wide, a few are 73-74, and the narrowest (Yankee Stadium) comes in at 70 yards exactly. By my measure Alumni Stadium is only about 73 yards wide wall-to-wall. This isn't nearly enough space to fit the pitch plus the requisite room along both touchlines.

Most older football stadiums (including Alumni Stadium) were built before soccer became a thing in this country, so they were only designed to accommodate 53 1/3 yard wide American Football playing surfaces. It wasn't until the 1990s/2000s that large football stadiums were built specifically to fit FIFA-approved football pitches.
 
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JumboBuc said:
Most older football stadiums (including Alumni Stadium) were built before soccer became a thing in this country, so they were only designed to accommodate 53 1/3 yard wide American Football playing surfaces. It wasn't until the 1990s/2000s that large football stadiums were built specifically to fit FIFA-approved football pitches.
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BC's Alumni was rebuilt in the 1990s. Around 1994 or so I think. It used to be wider actually and had a track around the field until they added seats and brought them closer to the playing field.
 
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kingofsheeba said:
I don't think that an urban MLS specific stadium that is close to public to public transit is a waste of space. Better a stadium in Southie/Dorchester than a bio lab.
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KingofSheba -- you are obviously jesting with us -- pinging Pesky's Pole [a remarkable double entendre pun] -- John Michael "Johnny" Pesky (born John Michael Paveskovich) -- Ok so his folks were Croat -- Slavic but not strictly a Pole -- and he could hit even if not often as far as his "Pole"

But seriously better a stadium than a bio lab -- have you been in hibernation for the past few decades?
 
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whighlander said:
KingofSheba -- you are obviously jesting with us -- pinging Pesky's Pole [a remarkable double entendre pun] -- John Michael "Johnny" Pesky (born John Michael Paveskovich) -- Ok so his folks were Croat -- Slavic but not strictly a Pole -- and he could hit even if not often as far as his "Pole"

But seriously better a stadium than a bio lab -- have you been in hibernation for the past few decades?
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Looks like Big Papi's balls have been getting tangled up in Pesky's Pole hur-hur-hur...

https://www.boston.com/g00//sports/...ing-practice-homer-hard-got-stuck-peskys-pole

And I'd rather live in a neighborhood where the only explosion is the one by an MLS crowd, than a explosion from a bio lab.
 
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JumboBuc said:
Alumni Stadium couldn't fit a pitch wide enough to meet FIFA (and MLS) standards.

All FIFA-approved fields must be 70-80 yards wide. Most MLS pitches (including Gillette) are 75 yards wide, a few are 73-74, and the narrowest (Yankee Stadium) comes in at 70 yards exactly.
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And Yankee Stadium's pitch dimensions are widely contested. Numerous people have spoken out and said that the pitch is not 70 yards wide, more like 66-69. The size of the pitch greatly impacts play too. Game dynamics are absolutely bizarre & create very strange games at Yankee Stadium.
 
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kingofsheeba said:
Looks like Big Papi's balls have been getting tangled up in Pesky's Pole hur-hur-hur...

https://www.boston.com/g00//sports/...ing-practice-homer-hard-got-stuck-peskys-pole

And I'd rather live in a neighborhood where the only explosion is the one by an MLS crowd, than a explosion from a bio lab.
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KofS -- Bio Labs don't typically explode -- that's Chemistry Labs

The Lab Hierarchy is thusly [kinda based on the energies involved, etc.]:
  • Physics Labs collide elementary particles, create micro Black Holes and everything then disappears in a puff of gamma rays
    Physics is the study of matter and energy
  • Chemistry Labs create exotic goo from the natural elements and energy and which can dissolve steel, glass, concrete
    Chemistry is the study of energy and matter as long as the matter stays solid, liquid or gas -- basically the temperature of liquid Hydrogen to Liquid Tungsten +/- a few K
  • Bio Labs create exotic living goo from sunlight, some small number of the naturally occurring elements which eats all manner of organic material [i.g. human life]
    Biology is the study of energy and matter around room temperature +/- a few tens of degrees K
  • Psychology Labs create illusions that all is well or not depending on the experimental parameters
    neither matter nor energy need exist if you don't want to believe or not as the case may be
  • Sport is the study of energy and matter interacting within a very limited and set of conditions AND psychologically satisfying outcomes
    e.g. a baseball bat, an incoming baseball from an opposing pitcher and Big Papi -- possibly complemented by the Pesky Pole
    Soccer is similar just the balls are bigger and the target is more restricted

you chose
 
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whighlander said:
KofS -- Bio Labs don't typically explode -- that's Chemistry Labs

The Lab Hierarchy is thusly [kinda based on the energies involved, etc.]:
  • Physics Labs collide elementary particles, create micro Black Holes and everything then disappears in a puff of gamma rays
    Physics is the study of matter and energy
  • Chemistry Labs create exotic goo from the natural elements and energy and which can dissolve steel, glass, concrete
    Chemistry is the study of energy and matter as long as the matter stays solid, liquid or gas -- basically the temperature of liquid Hydrogen to Liquid Tungsten +/- a few K
  • Bio Labs create exotic living goo from sunlight, some small number of the naturally occurring elements which eats all manner of organic material [i.g. human life]
    Biology is the study of energy and matter around room temperature +/- a few tens of degrees K
  • Psychology Labs create illusions that all is well or not depending on the experimental parameters
    neither matter nor energy need exist if you don't want to believe or not as the case may be
  • Sport is the study of energy and matter interacting within a very limited and set of conditions AND psychologically satisfying outcomes
    e.g. a baseball bat, an incoming baseball from an opposing pitcher and Big Papi -- possibly complemented by the Pesky Pole
    Soccer is similar just the balls are bigger and the target is more restricted

you chose
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http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/152637669-story

At 4:30 a.m. a 9-1-1 caller reported smoke and a chemical smell coming from the area of BioLab on Old Covington Highway.

As a precautionary measure, residential evacuations were performed one mile north of Old Covington Highway to West Avenue inside the city limits of Conyers.

The fire was quickly contained and is completely out as of 7:00 a.m.

The fire is believed to have started as a result of a chemical reaction with a few 5 gallon buckets of chlorine powder pellets on one pallet.
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kingofsheeba said:
http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/152637669-story
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KofS -- that kind of fire can happen in an office building or even a soccer stadium

Please -- there was a fire once in a wastebasket at the MIT Center for Theoretical Physics [Building 6] -- the Physicists spent the critical time calculating its rate of development of the fire -- finally an alert secretary threw a cup of water on it and called the fire department -- it was put out without any damage except to the egos of the physicists?
 
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whighlander said:
KofS -- that kind of fire can happen in an office building or even a soccer stadium

Please -- there was a fire once in a wastebasket at the MIT Center for Theoretical Physics [Building 6] -- the Physicists spent the critical time calculating its rate of development of the fire -- finally an alert secretary threw a cup of water on it and called the fire department -- it was put out without any damage except to the egos of the physicists?
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Okay. I'm just posting examples that back up my overall point. A point that has obviously touched some sort of nerve with you.
 
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kingofsheeba said:
Okay. I'm just posting examples that back up my overall point. A point that has obviously touched some sort of nerve with you.
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KofS -- the point I was making is that Now in the early 21st Century it is incomprehensible to make a statement comparing a Soccer Stadium with a Lab -- today a Bio Lab, or a Big Data Lab, or in the future a Nano - Lab

The former might contribute to the local ethos and be desireable as a place of recreation [like a museum or a casino or a big movie theatre] although it will be in use for only a large handful of days during a year.

The latter however is the core of the industrial base of the future responsible for the upward mobility of thousands and the improvement of the quality of life for the entire Human Race

Obviously we need the Labs to be safe places of work and good neighbors -- but there is no reason why a Lab can not be sited in the midst of an urban environment such as DTX
 
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Pretty sure this thread is on a tangent.
 
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shmessy said:
You mean with Whighlander posting? Impossible!
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In this case I would also give kingofsheeba credit for starting the exploding biolab.
 
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tangent said:
In this case I would also give kingofsheeba credit for starting the exploding biolab.
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Yeah he put a shot glass in front of Foster Brooks.
 
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http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...ll-but-dead/LS8c4VsetmN4FZ13HAfeQL/story.html

Looks like the Boston Teacher's Union could be holding up the project. Their HQ is adjacent to the old Bayside Expo site and would need to be taken in order to provide enough space for the stadium. Walsh offered them sites elsewhere for a new home but they dd not like any of the options he presented. UMass offered a land swap but they want cash on top of that.
 
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mass88 said:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...ll-but-dead/LS8c4VsetmN4FZ13HAfeQL/story.html

Looks like the Boston Teacher's Union could be holding up the project. Their HQ is adjacent to the old Bayside Expo site and would need to be taken in order to provide enough space for the stadium. Walsh offered them sites elsewhere for a new home but they dd not like any of the options he presented. UMass offered a land swap but they want cash on top of that.
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I didn't want to be the one to post it.

But this is just posturing. The deal is (and probably always was) somewhat close to dead, but I wouldn't call this the final punches. Going public like this is how they can get what they want.
 
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datadyne007 said:
I didn't want to be the one to post it.

But this is just posturing. The deal is (and probably always was) somewhat close to dead, but I wouldn't call this the final punches. Going public like this is how they can get what they want.
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Who is the they in this case? The BTU or Kraft?
 
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mass88 said:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...ll-but-dead/LS8c4VsetmN4FZ13HAfeQL/story.html

Looks like the Boston Teacher's Union could be holding up the project. Their HQ is adjacent to the old Bayside Expo site and would need to be taken in order to provide enough space for the stadium. Walsh offered them sites elsewhere for a new home but they dd not like any of the options he presented. UMass offered a land swap but they want cash on top of that.
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Land swap plus some money makes sense. Not full price plus landswap plus 30% sense. Seems like they are $20 million apart.
 
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I'll never believe anything related to the Krafts and a soccer stadium until there's a shovel on the ground and a "coming soon" sign.
 
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