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Rover said:
Are you in favor of outlawing cats too, which apparently send more birds to their demise than those dastardly tall buildings....
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No one asked me, but if you own a cat, keep it in your fucking house.

Do we have to give everyone who gives a shit about other animals a hard time? I'm not saying we should stop building. I think density plays a big enough roll in improving the environment that some birds flying into buildings is a reasonable cost, but people who want to protect birds are not "nut jobs."
 
There are ways to mitigate building-related birds deaths, architects and other experts say, such as making glass more opaque and working in architectural features that make glass more distinctive to birds.

The US Fish and Wildlife Service has issued a 17-page manual of “best practices” that illustrates window patterns and exterior lighting techniques aimed at minimizing collisions. Also, the US Green Building Council is testing a set of recommendations for “bird collision deterrence.”
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But keep panicking folks. I'm sure the Audubon Society is going to start tearing down buildings any day now. Because, remember just because they are calling for measured, reasonable action doesn't mean they are *not* part of vast conspiracy just trying to take away your towers.
 
Justin7 said:
No one asked me, but if you own a cat, keep it in your fucking house.

Do we have to give everyone who gives a shit about other animals a hard time? I'm not saying we should stop building. I think density plays a big enough roll in improving the environment that some birds flying into buildings is a reasonable cost, but people who want to protect birds are not "nut jobs."
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I read somewhere that not all cats have owners. I even heard a rumor that some cats are considered "wild" ...something called a bobcat maybe?
 
Rover said:
I read somewhere that not all cats have owners. I even heard a rumor that some cats are considered "wild" ...something called a bobcat maybe?
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Given the proper habitat wild cats aren't a danger to urban bird populations. Feral and outdoor domesticated cats are. That why a lot of cities & towns have programs to catch feral cats and either re-domesticate them and adopt them out or spade/neuter them and re-release (or put them down). There are also towns that try restrict 'outdoor' cats or try educational programs to try to persuade cat owners to keep them indoors.

These are reasonable solutions much like changes to glass or other measures that the Audubon Society is advocating for with new buildings.
 
Justin7 said:
No one asked me, but if you own a cat, keep it in your fucking house.
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Uh, OK.

Bizarre.

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Anyway, it's a stupid article. Not worth the discussion on here. Who cares about the birds flying into buildings, honestly? Mourn your sparrows all you want, if you really wanna get down to it, realize they're from Europe and have no business being in N America anyway.

Hmm. Maybe all humans should take that hint, too.

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Counterpoint:
https://tannerlectures.utah.edu/_documents/a-to-z/c/Coetzee99.pdf
 
I eat chickens pretty much every day. They taste great. Only the whackos complain about that.
 
Everyone is a "nut job" or a "whacko" once they disagree with your opinion, right? Enough with the name-calling bullshit. Grow the fuck up.

And there are plenty of us who manage to find a way to be both pro-height/density, and in favor of protecting the environment. Matter of fact, many of us find those things to be entirely compatible.

Conflating with extremists everyone who gives a crap about something besides your height fetish is lazy and inaccurate. I often find that the people who constantly whine about other people being extreme in their views end up being the real extremists.
 
"Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac?" - George Carlin.
 
Coyote137 said:
Everyone is a "nut job" or a "whacko" once they disagree with your opinion, right? Enough with the name-calling bullshit. Grow the fuck up.
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First of all, you're not a whacko if you don't eat meat. You are a whacko if you give me shit about me eating meat. That's not even debatable.

Otherwise, I don't know what the hell your damn problem is.

Coyote137 said:
Conflating with extremists everyone who gives a crap about something besides your height fetish is lazy and inaccurate. I often find that the people who constantly whine about other people being extreme in their views end up being the real extremists.
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Are you still talking to me here? This comment is so off the rails it's not even funny. Literally the whole point I was making is that nobody seems to give a crap that Americans consume hundreds of millions of birds per day, so it's kind of silly to take some big anti-development stand over a drop within a bucket within an ocean.
 
Rover said:
Are you in favor of outlawing cats too, which apparently send more birds to their demise than those dastardly tall buildings....
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Yes, fuck cats

Justin7 said:
No one asked me, but if you own a cat, keep it in your fucking house.

Do we have to give everyone who gives a shit about other animals a hard time? I'm not saying we should stop building. I think density plays a big enough roll in improving the environment that some birds flying into buildings is a reasonable cost, but people who want to protect birds are not "nut jobs."
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Birds flying into buildings isnt about height and density, its about material.
 
DZH22 said:
First of all, you're not a whacko if you don't eat meat. You are a whacko if you give me shit about me eating meat. That's not even debatable.

Otherwise, I don't know what the hell your damn problem is.



Are you still talking to me here? This comment is so off the rails it's not even funny. Literally the whole point I was making is that nobody seems to give a crap that Americans consume hundreds of millions of birds per day, so it's kind of silly to take some big anti-development stand over a drop within a bucket within an ocean.
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No, it wasn't directed at you, and I imagine as a regular poster here that you have seen the series of comments on this thread before yours. We've had more than a full page of people whining about other people whining.

So no, it wasn't off the rails at all, and it wasn't directed at you and your ACTUALLY off the rails comment about vegetarians, or vegans, or whoever you were complaining about. I'm not sure who in this world told you to stop "eating chickens every day" but it probably wasn't someone here on AB.

By the by, it's pretty contradictory to claim both that some imaginary people care about you eating birds, and also that "nobody seems to give a crap" about who eats birds.
 
to summarize: no more reflective towers (unless you hate birds), cats suck (unless they're awesome), and folks like arguing online.

cool.

anyone take any recent pix of 1 dalton they'd care to post?
 
Our urban environment has an impact on local wildlife and we should take reasonable measures to mitigate those impacts.

Is that a statement everyone can agree with?
 
Coyote137 said:
No, it wasn't directed at you, and I imagine as a regular poster here that you have seen the series of comments on this thread before yours. We've had more than a full page of people whining about other people whining.

So no, it wasn't off the rails at all, and it wasn't directed at you and your ACTUALLY off the rails comment about vegetarians, or vegans, or whoever you were complaining about. I'm not sure who in this world told you to stop "eating chickens every day" but it probably wasn't someone here on AB.

By the by, it's pretty contradictory to claim both that some imaginary people care about you eating birds, and also that "nobody seems to give a crap" about who eats birds.
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I was just confused because I thought you were telling me to eff off and aiming the comment at me in particular. Actually, nobody that I can think of in my entire life has tried to guilt trip me into not eating meat. That's why I said it would take a real whacko to do so. I haven't come across one of them yet in 36 years!

So in that respect, the imaginary people would in fact be the whackos, so "out there" that I have never met one. That's why the "nobody seems to give a crap" is also appropriate, and not really contradictory in this case.
 
Once again, this board is for project updates and discussion. The bird article references One Dalton, so it is relevant. I'm sorry it's not what you want to talk about but it is actually on topic.
 
statler said:
Once again, this board is for project updates and discussion. The bird article references One Dalton, so it is relevant. I'm sorry it's not what you want to talk about but it is actually on topic.
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The weird thing is that the bird article actually doesn't reference One Dalton. Nowhere in that article is One Dalton mentioned, although it does mention the Hancock and MT. The article is about Mass Audubon raising this issue with respect to the One Post Office Square renovation (which is located on a park and is going from masonry to glass), not One Dalton. An editor for the Globe's website just attached a photo of One Dalton under construction, with a caption completely unrelated to the article, and that's how it ended up here.

Schmessy made a thread specifically for this bird issue here before anything about it was posted in this thread, but that original thread never caught on (probably because more people check the "Development Projects" forum than the "Boston Architecture & Urbanism" one). I propose moving all this bird discussion to that thread.
 
DZH22 said:
I posted a bunch on the previous page from the BU Bridge a couple of days ago. Crickets.
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oh i saw. and appreciate! i just figured you and beeline are probably sick of me posting "great pix!" after each batch. heh
 
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