11-21 Bromfield Street | DTX | Downtown

Sad. I was looking forward to a modified plan for this tower. It just needed a few design changes. Now it'll be lucky to be as tall as 45 Province Street.
 
The insanity continues. As stated previously, the developer should just walk..... An administration that firmly embraces construction can come back in a few years, when nothing over 260' is being built in the city.... snarl at the nimby: "700-1200' skyscrapers are the norm in America's cities. Go home!"
 
I thought the original was gross, so I'm not crying over this.
 
Um. I don't think anything happened here that we didn't already know about. The link simply brings you to the comments received on the DPIR filing by Midwood last spring. There is no news here yet.
 
Quote of the year said:
The (nimby) are just in it for themselves at this point. I think that they're gonna keep folding one-by-one however. Fifteen years ago, this would've been shot down and Menino would've told these developers to take a hike.
I don't like Marty on a number of issues... but him and his administration are curbstomping these neighborhood associations, one spoiled rotten NIMBY at a time. It's so beautiful, it almost makes you cry. In that essence, Boston IS undergoing a renaissance. If Marty was Mayor in 1994, who knows where Boston would be right now?
Click to expand...

With this totally amazing build cycle and the Greenway Mega-thing also moving forward,

what difference at this point does it make?

tysmith95 said:
ITS NOT A SHADOW IT'S SHADE
Click to expand...

it's an 80 foot wide cloud bank streaking over the grass
 
Last edited:
odurandina said:
With this totally amazing build cycle and the Greenway Mega-thing also moving forward,

what difference at this point does it make?
Click to expand...

A bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush. The bottom could always drop out tomorrow. The last "boom" died a painful death and some of those proposals hit the scrap heap forever.

Keep in mind, many of the major proposals are approaching 10-20 years old already. The Copley Tower thread started in 2006. SST was first proposed in the 1990's. These proposals often seem to be put off by a year as easily as I would tell somebody I needed to call them back in 10 minutes. If another recession (or worse) hits, some of these "sure thing" projects may never happen.

Look at Hartford in the 1980's as the most cautionary tale. I think there were 4 proposals in the 700-800'+ range. Where are they now? (hint, 1 of them got built even bigger than proposed, in CLEVELAND as the Key Tower, and the rest are dead)
 
I think I care more about the retail podium more than the height...id like to see a little variation though...taller than province and less than MT would be fine.

Winthrop sq and SST should satisfy my height cravings for downtown...but the retail experience along bromfield and Washington has so much potential with this development.
 
617 said:
I think I care more about the retail podium more than the height...id like to see a little variation though...taller than province and less than MT would be fine.

Winthrop sq and SST should satisfy my height cravings for downtown...but the retail experience along bromfield and Washington has so much potential with this development.
Click to expand...

Agreed on the retail bit. Hopefully something "different" goes in there.

I can't believe there's an Old Navy going in Millennium Tower. Apparently the Primark, H&M, Gap, Marshall's and TJ Maxx, all of which are a 30 second walk from each other, isn't enough.
 
This has been discussed repeatedly.

Downtown Crossing has been the "every person's" shopping district for a century. The current crop of stores is a continuation of that history. There's nothing wrong with that.

I'd take affordable-for-all clothing retailers over high-end boutiques / brand name labels in Downtown Crossing any day.
 
i wasn't aware Midwood was planning much if any retail on this project.

i thought they were using the podium as a facade to blend in with the main tower.....

and by means of semi-transparent glass, hide the parcel/delivery/trash pickup drive thru and parking garage.

So, yes, the thought of losing Payless permanently from the site is upsetting a lot of people.

i love Payless but, i like the skyscraper more.
 
Didn't realize H&M was leaving...that's too bad. All we need down there is another empty storefront...they have a large space too.
 
odurandina said:
So, yes, the thought of losing Payless permanently from the site is upsetting a lot of people.

i love Payless but, i like the skyscraper more.
Click to expand...

I really don't think anybody on this board is necessarily lamenting the loss of an off-brand shoe store at this site.

What they are lamenting is the loss of a authentic, well constructed pre-war masonry building with a strong urban context and good street interaction.

Others have said it better, but the general lament here is that it is extremely unlikely if not impossible to deliver a modern building that does "urban" better than what is already there, at least without some sort of facadism.
 
Those buildings are crap...let it go...multiple floors of retail and housing above, boom done better retail than a 1 story piece of crap.
 
617 said:
Those buildings are crap...let it go...multiple floors of retail and housing above, boom done better retail than a 1 story piece of crap.
Click to expand...

They're all crap except the Payless building on the corner. While that one is fairly unremarkable, it has a decent enough presence to at least deserve a facadectomy. We have been losing too many pre-war buildings lately. The Times/Littlest Bar demolition in particular was criminal.
 
Circling back to the DEIR, is it common for everyone to copy the same letter? While it shows that many people "agree" with whatever a concerned resident drafted and distributed, it sort of takes away the credibility of the comments. It's not a summary of nearby residents' feelings, it's an easy way for them to say no just because they don't like it. Even the comment letters from different entities had the same exact concerns, word for word, as the others.

Bottom line, it's not productive. Is it the loading that most people have an issue with? That can be addressed. The materials? Sure they can take another look. The number of units? Maybe they can reduce that.

Not everyone finds every single aspect of this building to be bad. That comment letter is just the easy out and should be taken with a grain of salt. If someone wants to take their time to sit down and really think about why this building shouldn't be built, I would be glad to entertain their comments and would truly consider their concerns to be genuine. Someone going door to door getting signatures saying "help us stop the tower!"... absolutely not.
 
sm89 said:
Circling back to the DEIR, is it common for everyone to copy the same letter? While it shows that many people "agree" with whatever a concerned resident drafted and distributed, it sort of takes away the credibility of the comments. It's not a summary of nearby residents' feelings, it's an easy way for them to say no just because they don't like it. Even the comment letters from different entities had the same exact concerns, word for word, as the others.

Bottom line, it's not productive. Is it the loading that most people have an issue with? That can be addressed. The materials? Sure they can take another look. The number of units? Maybe they can reduce that.

Not everyone finds every single aspect of this building to be bad. That comment letter is just the easy out and should be taken with a grain of salt. If someone wants to take their time to sit down and really think about why this building shouldn't be built, I would be glad to entertain their comments and would truly consider their concerns to be genuine. Someone going door to door getting signatures saying "help us stop the tower!"... absolutely not.
Click to expand...

Having sat on a number of IAG's in the City, yes, it is very common to get a bunch of cut and paste letters.

Many people are basically lazy, and want others to think for them.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top