Not a Brahmin
- Jan 22, 2012
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Against my better judgement...
Alright, blah blah blah. Sorry I had to stop you. Yeah, let’s talk about the Green Party for just a moment, or third parties, getting a third party movement off the ground here in this country. Because we are sick of the two party system!
Here’s how you fucking do that: you run people not just for fucking president every four fucking years.
I have a problem with the Greens, I have a problem with the Libertarians. I have a problem with these fake, attention seeking, grandstanding Green/Libertarian party candidates who pop up every four years, like mushrooms in shit, saying that they're building a third party. And those of us who don't have a home in the Republican Party, don't have a home in the Democratic Party, can't get behind every Democratic position or Republican position, should gravitate toward these third parties. And help build a third party movement by every four fucking years voting for one of these assholes like Jill fucking Stein, who I'm sure is a lovely person, she's only an asshole in this aspect.
If you're interested in building a third party, a viable third party, you don’t start with president. You don't start by running someone for fucking president.
Where are the Green Party candidates for city councils? For county councils? For state legislatures? For state assessor? For state insurance commissioner? For governor? For fucking dogcatcher? I would be SO willing to vote for Green Party candidates who are starting at the bottom, grassroots, bottom up, building a third party, a viable third party.
You don't do that by trotting out the reanimated corpse of Ralph fucking Nader every four fucking years. Or his doppelgänger, whoever it is now, Jill Stein and some asshole-to-be-named four years from now. You start by running grassroots, local campaigns. And there've been — and I'm sure we're going hear from lots of people out there listening — there have been a couple of Green Party candidates who’ve run in other races here and there across the country. But no sustained effort to build a Green Party nationally. Just this griping, bullshitty, grandstanding, fault-finding, purity-testing, holier than thou-ing, that we are all subjected to every four fucking years by the Green Party candidate.
And the folks, including you caller — and I love you and I respect you and we’re having this debate and I'm not treating you with kid gloves because I respect you — who are fooled by them, who are sucked into this bullshit, who are tricked by these grandstanding, attention-seeking, bullshit-spewing charlatans, into wasting your vote.
Which is what you are going to do, I'm sorry to say, to circle back to the top of your call. You are essentially, if you're voting for Jill Stein, helping to potentially elect Donald J. Trump president of these United States. Which would be a catastrophe.
Which is what some people say that they want. People supported Ralph Nader in 2000 and said there was no difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush, therefore we could all afford to throw our votes away, protest-style, on Ralph Nader, who had no hope of getting elected, because there was no difference between Bush and Gore.
These same people, at the same time, said that George Bush was so manifestly obviously terrible that he would bring the revolution if he got himself elected somehow. They didn’t say this about Gore, he wouldn’t bring the revolution. They’re exactly the same, exactly as awful, but one would bring the revolution and one wouldn’t. Which means they weren't exactly the same and they weren't equally awful.
And we're hearing the same thing now about Hillary and Donald. That they’re both equally awful. They're both equally terrible, corrupt two party system, fuck it, fuck it, fuck it. Fuck them both, fuck both their houses! Vote for Jill Stein!
And if Donald should get elected, oh he’s so terrible, so much worse than the equally awful Hillary Clinton, that his election will bring the revolution.
The revolution did not come in 2000 when George W. Bush got close enough to winning to steal the White House. It will not come if Donald J. Trump gets his ass elected.
Disaster will come. And the people who’ll suffer are not going to be the pasty white Green Party supporters — pasty white Jill Stein and her pasty white supporters. The people who’ll suffer are going to be people of color. People of minority faiths. Queer people. Women.
Don’t do it. Don't throw your vote away on Jill Stein/vote for, bankshot-style, Donald Trump.
And if you want to build a viable third party, more power to you. I could see myself voting for a Green Party candidate for president in 25 years, after I've seen Green Party candidates getting elected to state legislatures, getting elected to governorships, getting elected to Congress. Then you can run some legitimate motherfucker for president.
Which absolutely ignores the near success of Mel King in running for mayor in Boston and the fact that the Green Party has fielded candidates in many races in Massachusetts where the Republican Party didn't have a candidate. Dan Savage came off as an ignoramus to anyone who actually follows the local races.^ Can't not post this profanity-laced tirade by Dan Savage:
You know what? You are right. The people who have held control take a lot of responsibility for problems that arise in the future. They also hold responsibility for the good things that come in the future. The Bushs and Clintons have both good and bad outcomes on their hands.How can anybody on this site vote for Hilary Clinton: The Clintons along with the Bush's are responsible for a lot of problems this country faces in the future.
The United States is BROKE---
The United States is still one of the wealthiest countries in the world. Sure our government has a little too much debt but it's alot less as a percentage of GDP compared to many countries in southern Europe. Trump's tax plan as it stands will dramatically increase the federal deficit and cause financial collapse.The United States is BROKE---
Tysmith--- The United States is fucking broke:The United States is still one of the wealthiest countries in the world. Sure our government has a little too much debt but it's alot less as a percentage of GDP compared to many countries in southern Europe. Trump's tax plan as it stands will dramatically increase the federal deficit and cause financial collapse.
First, in the interest of full disclosure, I'm a libertarian leaning centrist - so yes, my vote is for Gary Johnson this fall.Interest rates have nothing to do with the federal deficit. Interest rates are based on controlling inflation during good economic times and stimulating the economy during uncertain economic times.
I agree that the federal deficit is a bad thing. However broadly decreasing taxes without concrete plans to reduce spending will only make it worse, not better.
The 20 trillion national debt is not national debt to other countries, lots of this debt is from Americans to other Americans. Yes this number is very high but it is inflated to inflame people, the United States does not have anywhere close to a net 20 trillion dollar deficit to other nations.
There are alot of issues with America but it's not all doom and gloom.
It was pretty much a guarantee that this discussion would turn into a shit-show.
Love these two sentence back to back.If you understood the currency system we are completely screwed.
Interest rates cannot be raised because it mathematically bankrupts the Federal Govt without non-stop printing the American Taxpayers labor value away to nothing.