Boston College Master Plan

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Having a great deal of experience with how college students act, I take just as much offense to Michelina's sweeping generalizations as she takes to the term NIMBY. On top of which, she proves herself wrong as she explains that she indeed does not want BC or its students in her backyard. If she didn't want dirty urban streets, she really ought to move to Weston, or perhaps Lenox.

College students do not leave dirt or destroy property, people do, and cities have large numbers of people. BC has been an integral part of Brighton for many, many years. To dismiss its students, your neighbors, as inconsiderate delinquents you want to be rid of speaks volumes about how interested you and your friends truly are in reaching a workable compromise.

Michelina is in her 80's and lives on what looks to be a quiet residential street west of Lake Street near the golf course. The street -- Google's streetview was cut short because of construction in the roadway -- looks to be far from the beaten path for BC students, drunk or otherwise.
 
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I'm not going to cut her a break because of her age, if that's what you mean. Perhaps she might not be used to students on her own street, but correct me if I'm wrong that the dorms are proposed for Lake St. itself, not the surrounding neighborhoods. Michelina assumes that students anywhere near her will cause her and her neighbors distress, property damage, etc, and I find that attitude hardly conducive to a neighborly relationship with the university.
 
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I'm not going to cut her a break because of her age, if that's what you mean. Perhaps she might not be used to students on her own street, but correct me if I'm wrong that the dorms are proposed for Lake St. itself, not the surrounding neighborhoods. Michelina assumes that students anywhere near her will cause her and her neighbors distress, property damage, etc, and I find that attitude hardly conducive to a neighborly relationship with the university.

A BC student living in one of the new Lake Street dorms would have to go way out of the way to pass by Michelina's house, sober or not. I raised her age only because by the time BC gets to build those dorms, actuarial odds are she won't be residing where she does now.
 
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Are there any new news about development at Saint John's Seminary (or BC's new Brighton Campus)?
 
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It's still in the Master Plan comment period. It goes back to the residents one more time before the official filing... then the meetings start on the individual buildings.
 
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Brighton activists tell Harvard that BC takes the right approach to campus expansion, and Harvard doesn't. Perhaps the activists are saying this because, given the recent Globe article, see above, they are beating BC back on its proposed expansion. (It also helps the anti-expansion NIMBYs in Brighton that they include among their number, prominent state officials, current and past.)

And I don't think BC's community outreach was ever successful in swaying Newton.

From the Harvard Crimson:

Two Approaches to Campus Expansion
Published On 4/28/2008

By NAN NI
Crimson Staff Writer

When Boston College submitted a bid to purchase a state-owned pumping station near the Chestnut Hill Reservoir, the college?s vice president for government and community relations, Thomas J. Keady, said that his institution informed the community before the story hit the presses. Although BC eventually lost the bid, Keady said that it was important to keep the college?s neighbors abreast of its activities.

?There?s a sense of trust you must develop as an institution,? he said. ?With a community, you have to let them know what you?re doing.?

BC?s policy of open disclosure stands in stark contrast to what Allston residents say is Harvard?s aloof approach to dealing with the community as the University expands in their neighborhood.

?I think the community often sees Harvard as that 500-pound gorilla with no feelings whereas BC has that more personal touch to them,? said John Bruno, who sits on both the BC and Harvard community task forces.

As Harvard begins construction on a four-building science complex?the first piece of the largest expansion in Harvard?s 372-year-old history?residents say that the most important factor that determines the quality of relations with expanding institutions is not what or where they plan to build. Rather, it is whether residents feel that schools are willing to include neighbors in every step along the way.

Community members say that Harvard?s secrecy has contributed to the community sentiment that the University does not value the input of its neighbors and prefers to leave them out of the planning process.

?There is a bit of a disconnect because there was no reason to ever have a connection,? Bruno said. ?There?s no reason that Harvard had to work with the community over the years because they?re Harvard, and that?s the way it works.?

Over a decade ago, The Boston Globe reported that Harvard had bought 52 acres of land in Allston under a subsidiary with a different name?an action that residents still refer to as an example of Harvard?s underhanded approach to expanding. Neighbors also point to Harvard?s land swap with the owner of the Charlesview Apartment complex?where the University will fund development without involving themselves in the actual development planning?as another instance of Harvard?s head-in-the-clouds approach.

?Allston ends up with these developments that aren?t Harvard, but, in a sense, Harvard is engineering them,? said Paul Berkeley, who sits on task forces for both BC?s and Harvard?s expansions. ?We?re ending up with these large projects that used to be on the edges of town, but they are now being pushed deeper into the neighborhood, along with all the negative impacts.?

Harvard Allston Task Force member Harry Mattison said he thinks that Boston has been remarkably hands-off when it comes to regulating Harvard?s expansion, saying that the city has allowed Harvard ?to do what they wanted.

?Whatever they proposed passed through?and in an extremely fast timelines,? he said. ?It?s really been a cakewalk for them.?

Linda Kowalcky, the mayor?s liaison for higher education at the Boston Redevelopment Authority (BRA), said she disagreed with the idea that the BRA had green-lighted Harvard?s expansion at the expense of the community, adding that her agency was not an advocate for either side, but rather a ?broker? to the entire process.

?We consider it our responsibility to look out for the health of our neighborhoods, but that can be achieved in part by keeping universities in good economic health,? said Kowalcky, whose agency is responsible for overseeing development projects in the city.

Harvard?s director of community relations for Boston, Kevin A. McCluskey ?76, said that Harvard must understand the needs of the community in order to make the move across the Charles successful, noting that ?the things that are most important to the neighborhood and the things most important to Harvard have a lot of overlap.?

But Mattison said that even Harvard?s benevolence is conducted from a distance.

?Harvard does not seem interested in a relationship with the community,? he said. ?They just say, ?We?ll throw some money at this neighborhood, we?ll do some drive-by charity, and throw a checkbook at them.?

BC?s approach to expansion was markedly different, according to residents involved in the process.

In early 2006, BC held a series of ?neighborhood charettes? for the community to provide input about what it wanted to see?or avoid?in BC?s longterm development master plan.

?We learned a lot during those charettes, and we worked hard to incorporate their perspectives into our final plan,? Keady said.

Last December, BC submitted its plans for expansion to the BRA.

Over the next 10 years, BC will invest $700 million in its new Brighton campus, which will feature an integrated science complex designed to facilitate research spanning multiple fields, as well as facilities for the fine arts, a university center, a recreation complex, and housing for 610 undergraduate students currently living off-campus.

Bruno said that he preferred BC?s approach to community relations, calling it ?negotiation with a neighborly touch.?

?When Harvard comes to the table, they say, ?This is our plan, straight and narrow,?? Bruno said. ??No one else is going to design our campus?we?re the smartest people in the world.??

Bruno also said that is was not necessarily the impending inconvenience of the construction or the other impacts of expansion that upset the community, but rather the feeling that the neighbors were being ignored.

?Harvard always says, ?Here?s the message loud and clear, got it??? Bruno said. ?The community?s concerns have not been put into the plan, and it?s been frustrating.?

But Gerald Autler, project manager for the BRA, said that Harvard?s community relations were not simply a matter of choosing whether or not to include the neighborhood in its planning.

?Institutionally, Harvard has a lot of internal politics, and they must strike a balance between many points of view in which the neighborhood is only one,? he said. ?Sometimes, those very different constituencies want very different things.?

Berkeley added that it is the lack of explanation of these planning dynamics that worries neighbors.

?The neighborhood is much more concerned with Harvard than they are with BC,? Berkeley said. ?I don?t think anyone thinks that BC has Harvard?s resources and money. It seems like every time we have a meeting with Harvard, half the room is filled with consultants.?

Bruno said that while neighborhood relations with BC were not devoid of conflict, the sense of frustration and helplessness that the community felt when dealing with Harvard was not present.

?The fight over where to build dorms is going to be a real tug-of-war, but I think that when BC comes to the table, they come with more compassion,? he said. ?BC puts all their heart and soul into the dialogue.?

Although Allston residents say that Harvard has a lot to learn from its peer when it comes to community relations, they remain optimistic that the future still holds the possibility of a true partnership between town and gown.

Bruno said that although BC has taken the more neighborly approach to expansion thus far, Harvard has unique resources to offer the community.

?The community wants connection?the community wants partnership,? he said. ?We don?t mind sharing, because how many communities around this world have a chance to have this kind of partnership with this kind of prestigious university??

And Mattison says the neighbors are not the only ones who could profit from a partnership.

?It?s to Harvard?s detriment that not more attention has been paid to health of community,? he said. ?Allston could be a great asset to the University.?

In contrast to this divide between town and gown, Keady said, BC considers itself a part of the community.

?We?re an institution, but we?re an institution that is inseparable from the neighborhood,? he said. ?Therefore, it is in our collective interest to work together until we get a ?yes? from everyone.?

Despite Harvard?s reputation for being aloof and inconsiderate, many community members say they still hold out hope for a future of cooperation.

?If it was a grade on a report card, they would get a ?to be seen,?? said Massachusetts State Representative Michael J. Moran. ?You can?t change what they did, but you can move forward and try to improve upon it.?

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=523325

From BC's student newspaper nearly eight years ago.

Building a say in our City

Posted: 10/31/00

The recent opposition of Newton residents and city aldermen to the installation of lights on the Newton Campus soccer field is symptomatic of an ongoing struggle that Boston College wages, with our neighbors and with our landscape, to improve the University?s physical plant. BC?s well-tailored building plans already face stringent spatial restrictions for a school of this size and breadth. Moreover, these plans have been deflated by needless political haggling ? over seemingly mutually agreeable compromises ? with the community of Newton, further adding to the frustration of students, faculty and administrators who would benefit from the construction projects.

Thanks to the efforts of the Newton Board of Aldermen to block construction here, the fate of things like the proposed Monan building (a multipurpose student center promised years ago) and accompanying features of the Middle Campus Project now hang in the balance of court decisions. The soccer field on Newton Campus opened last year despite a stalemate with neighbors and still lacks the intended lights that would enable night games and other student use. The failure to complete these projects does not stem from any lack of vision or funding from BC, but rather the persistent and nearly universal opposition of our neighbors.
http://www.bcheights.com/home/index...story_id=5289d101-07d5-4845-a91a-1af254cf7c01
 
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The big difference between the Harvard expansion and BC's expansion in the neighborhoods they are moving into: Alston and Brighton. Alston still is an immigrant, transient, and blue collar section of the city. Brighton has a wealthy and established population.

The other problem is BC has had a terrible time with Newton. When I was a student at BC 10 years ago, the school had plans in place to rebuild and build and they have never been executed because of the NIMBYs and Newton.

Harvard, on the other hand, is Cambridge.
 
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Fortunately, BC won the court case, so i believe that will give them precedence in a future newton case, providing it ends up in court.
 
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I found this surprising. An alternative to brighton dorms maybe?

Boston College Chasing 2000 Commonwealth Ave.
By Joe Clements
BOSTON-In an endeavor bearing potential repercussions among locals troubled by institutional expansion, Boston College is seeking to acquire 2000 Commonwealth Ave. from Archstone-Smith, sources are telling GlobeSt.com. The 16-story, 190-unit luxury apartment building is located within a mile of BC's main campus in the city's Brighton neighborhood.

"They are very interested in it," one source tells GlobeSt.com, a notion supported by other commercial real estate professionals. One market watcher offered a supposed price of about $360,000 per unit, or approximately $68 million, although that figure was not confirmed by parties involved in the talks. The property is being handled for Archstone Smith by Cushman & Wakefield?s Capital Markets Group, but members of that investment sales team refused comment on the matter, even declining to say whether the asset is on the market. Sources, however, insist that not only is Archstone-Smith peddling 2000 Commonwealth Ave., but that BC is actively chasing the opportunity. Rumors of a deal between the two entities have been circulating in the community for the past week.

Towering high above surrounding structures, 2000 Commonwealth Ave. has been a local lightning rod since well-known developer Jerome Rappaport muscled the project through permitting in the mid-1980s, despite fierce opposition from the community. Rappaport survived a last-minute bid to stop construction by then-Mayor Raymond Flynn and former Boston City Councilor Brian McLaughlin on behalf of his Allston-Brighton constituents, with the building finally completed in 1985.

Efforts to contact officials at Archstone-Smith and Boston College by press deadline were unsuccessful. The Englewood, CO-based REIT has owned 2000 Commonwealth Ave. since merging with Charles E. Smith Co., the firm which paid $27.5 million for the property in 1997. That sale had followed a failed attempt in 1992 by BC to acquire 2000 Commonwealth Ave., an effort that drew criticism for both its implications of expansion in the neighborhood and the school?s secretive nature while pursuing the investment.

http://www.globest.com/news/1161_1161/boston/170920-1.html
 
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Boston Globe said:
A key sticking point in Boston College's expansion plans may come into focus tomorrow, when neighbors hear how BC responds to their request to house 100 percent of its undergraduates on campus.
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At the meeting of the Boston College Community Task Force, the school will unveil its revised plans for dormitories. College officials also have promised to discuss the possible purchase of a nearby apartment building that could be converted into undergraduate housing. The 188-unit high-rise at 2000 Commonwealth Ave. sits along the Chestnut Hill Reservoir and has 282 bedrooms, according to university officials and area residents.

While the property wouldn't be on campus, it could satisfy neighbors who want to see more students in BC-controlled housing, where rowdiness could be curbed more effectively.

"This is an historic opportunity to make sure this part of Brighton is no longer plagued by student rentals," said Eva Webster, a neighborhood activist.

The possible purchase has been rumored for at least three weeks. At the task force's June 4 meeting, the school announced the purchase would be discussed two days later at a board of trustees meeting, but school officials have declined to say what happened at the meeting.

Tomorrow's session will begin at 6:30 p.m. at BC's Yawkey Center.

Housing has been the most contentious issue as BC develops its 10-year Institutional Master Plan. Neighbors have objected to proposals to build on the park-like former Boston Archdiocese property, which BC calls its Brighton campus, and pushed instead for more housing on the Chestnut Hill campus, which does not abut private residences.

At the June 4 meeting, school officials received mixed reactions to revisions involving other aspects of the master plan, including changes to the athletic fields, details of what had been an unspecified "fine arts district," and housing for about 75 Jesuit priests and seminarians.

"Thank you for making changes," said Alex Selvig, a neighbor and former candidate for City Council.

In response to neighborhood concerns, BC officials said they made changes to several proposed structures. They intend to reposition the baseball field and 1,500-seat stands, moving them 90 degrees so lights and home-run balls do not land on residences; increase buffer zones; and limit artificial turf to the baseball field and a softball field - down from three fields. The school also will reduce the size of the athletic center, and reconfigure the nearby 500-space parking garage and move it closer to the center of the campus

"This is a significant change from where you were, and we appreciate that," said Tim Schofield, a task force member.

Others were less satisfied.

"There are too many seats in the baseball field, and too many parking spaces," said Fred Salvucci, a nearby resident who is a transportation researcher at MIT (and was the state's top transportation official in the Dukakis years). "Five hundred spaces would bring traffic to Brighton Center and Foster Street, which are already at capacity."

BC consultant Howard Muise said the 500 garage spaces would replace spaces that would be lost to construction, plus a few additional slots.
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Neighbors were equally guarded in their reaction to Jesuit graduate housing on Foster Street, on what is a wooded lot behind three Victorian houses. The university proposes 75 bedrooms and 33 parking spaces arranged around a central courtyard. The three houses would be demolished.

Neighbors voiced concern over whether the 50- to 100-foot buffer zones would be large enough to protect nearby homes, and whether the parking would be adequate for 75 residents.

The fine arts district would consist of a museum and classroom building and a 1,200-seat auditorium. The museum building would be placed at the entrance to the Brighton campus, while the 60-foot-tall auditorium structure would be built on a parking lot farther inside the campus.

Neighbors worried whether the stone wall along Commonwealth Avenue and some old shade trees nearby would be preserved. Linda Eastley, a planner with Sasaki Associates, said that level of detail hadn't been reached. BC spokesman Jack Dunn told the meeting the auditorium would be used primarily for college performances.

The neighborhood's response to the housing proposals unveiled tomorrow night is expected to be more animated.

About 8,600 of BC's 9,000 undergraduates request campus housing, said Dunn. The university has 7,330 dormitory beds, meaning that about 1,270 have to look for off-campus accommodations. The Commonwealth Avenue building would accommodate 564 more beds, if each bedroom bunked two students.

Though buying and converting the building wouldn't completely fill the shortfall, neighbors see it as a step in the right direction.

"If it were a dorm, it would be a more controlled environment," neighbor Sandy Furman said after the last task force meeting. He said that about 40 single- and two-family houses in the Foster Street area are "party houses, which bring noise, trash, and large numbers of kids from the dorms."

Furman has qualms about the university expanding beyond its campus boundaries, and wants to make sure BC would make a payment in lieu of taxes equivalent to what the building's current owners are paying the city.

Abutters also oppose the college's proposal to build housing on the Brighton property, an open area that residents use as a park.

After sharing its housing proposals with the task force, BC will release its revised master plan and the public will have 60 days to comment. Staff at the Boston Redevelopment Authority will then review the plan and decide whether it can go before the BRA board for approval. If not, the plan will be returned to BC for further revisions.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ar...to_draw_back_curtains_on_student_housing_plan
 
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BC gets closer to its housing target

Touts dorm plan for 1,300 students

By Peter Schworm, Globe Staff | June 17, 2008

Boston College, seeking to quell neighborhood complaints over disruptive students, announced plans yesterday to build new dormitories for nearly 1,300 students in a campaign to become the first major college in the city to provide university housing for all of its undergraduates.

To achieve that goal, BC has agreed to pay $67 million for a 16-story apartment building at 2000 Commonwealth Ave., one-third of a mile from its main campus in Chestnut Hill, that would house 560 students. BC also reaffirmed its controversial plan to build new dorms on property purchased from the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston.

The far-reaching plan could intensify pressure on other local universities to accelerate dorm construction. Several schools, including Boston University and Northeastern University, are building dormitories in response to demands from students and residents. BU, for example, is building a $100 million high-rise dormitory for nearly 1,000 students, which when it opens in 2009 would allow 80 percent of its students to live on campus.

BC officials touted the plan as a milestone that would markedly improve town-gown relations by guaranteeing students four years of campus housing. Beyond that, BC also plans to restrict undergraduates from renting apartments in one- or two-family houses in Allston-Brighton and Newton.

The proposal, which requires city approval, seeks to reduce tension between colleges and their Boston neighbors, particularly over students who live off campus. Neighbors frequently complain about students' late-night rowdiness, and Mayor Thomas M. Menino has consistently urged colleges to build more dormitories.

"The neighbors have long asked for 100 percent student housing, and we've given it to them," said BC spokesman Jack Dunn. "We have never had complaints about Boston College students living in university housing."
Dunn said the converted dorm would be identical to other student residences and would be staffed by resident assistants and a priest.

Many Brighton residents, weary of disruptions caused by unruly students, welcomed the planned increase in student housing, whether on campus or close to it. But other Brighton neighbors said the college is not so much putting more students on campus as extending the campus into the neighborhood.

"I'm ecstatic that Brighton will no longer be a hotbed for student rentals," said neighborhood activist Eva Webster. "It's much better to have them contained and under BC's control."

Tim Burke - a member of a community task force reviewing the plan who lives beside the former archdiocesan property, which the college calls its Brighton campus - said BC's housing pledge represents a victory for neighbors.

"These landlords rent one- and two-family homes to 14 kids, and we live beside them," he said. "They come and go at all hours and have no stake in the neighborhood. This is just what we've been asking for."

But some neighbors, including opponents of dormitories on the former archdiocesan property, criticized the plan to convert the Commonwealth Avenue apartments as a similar incursion into a residential area.

"It is very dangerous for a university to keep expanding in this way, to keep buying up housing stock in a neighborhood," said Brighton resident Alex Selvig, an outspoken opponent of the Brighton dorms, which he said threatened a "fragile neighborhood."

Most Brighton residents urged BC to build more dorms on its main campus, which college officials say is too crowded for new development.

Boston College presented its latest blueprint for new dormitories at a task force meeting last night. In total, its plans would provide space for all 8,600 undergraduates within the next decade, BC officials said

The college will formally file its revised plans with the city Friday.

A spokeswoman for the Boston Redevelopment Authority, which will review the plan, said that while officials welcome increased student housing, they will evaluate it in its entirety. "They understand that dormitories are important to the mayor and the city," said Susan Elsbree. "But it's all in the execution. We need to look at all the balances and trade-offs."

In February, Menino urged BC to explore alternatives to building dorms in Brighton, raising doubts about the college's plans for the 65-acre property. The college sees the land, which neighbors have long cherished as a peaceful haven from urban life, as an opportunity to give a crowded campus room to grow. Menino declined a request to be interviewed yesterday.

Building dorms on the former archdiocesan property would, for the first time, house BC students on the Brighton side of Commonwealth Avenue, long seen as a symbolic buffer between the neighborhood and BC. In a concession to neighbors, the college said yesterday it would delay its plan for a 350-student dorm in Brighton until 2018.

BC now houses about 85 percent of its students on campus. Nearly all students want to live on campus, Dunn said, and college administrators and faculty believe the structure of a residence hall improves the college experience. It will also help the college attract students seeking four years of guaranteed campus housing.

"This will erase a significant competitive disadvantage with elite schools with whom we compete for students," Dunn said.

Residents at 2000 Commonwealth Ave., who do not have leases, will have to leave their apartments in about a year, he said. Many are BC students.

Neighbors said they remained fearful that the college would continue to creep across and along Commonwealth Avenue.

"Are we going to live in a residential neighborhood or on a college campus?" asked Theresa Hynes, a Brighton activist. "They are crossing the boundary line."
http://www.boston.com/news/educatio...8/06/17/bc_gets_closer_to_its_housing_target/
 
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The regular real estate beat reporters (for the Globe and Herald) seem to be away this week.

Boston College unveils $1 billion plan to expand dormitory space
Neighbors unhappy with students behavior, off-campus dorm proposal
By Christine McConville | Tuesday, June 17, 2008 |

Boston College last night introduced a $1 billion expansion plan to nearby residents, who have long complained that the school is taking over their neighborhood.

The plan calls for building 1,280 dormitory beds, four academic buildings, a 200,000-square-foot recreation complex and 285,000-square-foot university center.

Boston College President William S. Leahy said in a statement that the plan is ?a manifestation of BC?s desire to be a good neighbor by taking students out of the neighborhood and providing increased stability for local residence, while also addressing Boston College?s most pressing needs.?

But many residents who attended a crowded campus meeting about the plan voiced their dissatisfaction with how the college has dealt with the neighborhood, some shouting ?Control your students!?

If its master plan is carried out, BC will have 8,610 beds for its 8,600 resident students. Right now, many BC students live off campus in Allston and Brighton.

To help get those students back on campus, the school wants to build 500 dormitory beds on its new Brighton Campus, a 65-acre plot of land that Boston College purchased from the Archdiocese of Boston a few years ago.

Most of the student housing expansion would be done within the main campus, but the school also plans to convert a 2000 Commonwealth Ave. luxury apartment building, which BC said it recently purchased, into a 560-student dorm.

That came as a surprise last night. Members of the Allston-Brighton neighborhood task force said they were angry because college officials had not notified them of the apartment conversion plan.

This latest plan comes with some concessions.

For example, the school eliminated plans for a 200,000-square-foot field house on the new campus and moved a proposed baseball field to provide a greater distance from private homes that abut the property.

The project will create 12,000 jobs, university spokesman Jack Dunn said, and many will be union jobs. The university hires union workers for all construction jobs valued at $1 million or more, Dunn said.

Boston College expects to file the plan with the Boston Redevelopment Authority on Friday, triggering a 60-day public comment period.

Tim Schofield, a member of the Allston-Brighton task force, told the audience, ?this is not the end of the game. Folks need to come out and speak out.?

http://www.bostonherald.com/business/real_estate/view.bg?articleid=1101302
 
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I'm not surprised about the 2000 Commonwealth Ave news... I was reading in the WSJ last week that the firm that bought out Archstone-Smith is having trouble refinancing their debt and are hoping to quickly reduce the number of properties they own (and turn a profit on those sales). BC apparently was in the know and made a bid and won.

Another thing... they complain that BC never housed students north of Comm Ave - which will surprise anyone who lived in the BC dorm at the corner of Comm Ave and Greycliff.

Why let facts get in the way of a good argument?
 
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You can please some of the people some of the time....

Brighton neighbors blast BC student housing plan
By Christine McConville
Wednesday, June 18, 2008

To Boston College, the master plan addresses both students? needs and neighbors? concerns.

But critics of the $1 billion plan say the college?s attempt to house 560 students in an off-campus apartment building will just move the community?s problem from one part of Brighton to another.

?It is extremely unfair,? said Brighton resident Lisa Lieberman, about BC?s plan to buy a luxury apartment building at 2000 Commonwealth Ave. and use it for student housing.

?2000 Comm. Ave. is not part of the BC campus,? she said.

Brighton residents have long complained that BC students are disruptive.
?They party late at night and drive the wrong way up our one-way streets, and they are up late at night, talking loud,? Brighton resident Nick Foundas said.

On Monday, Boston College announced plans to remove students from the neighborhoods by providing university-controlled housing for all its undergraduates.

To do that, BC expects to buy a private off-campus apartment building to house 560 students there, among other housing additions.

The proposal has divided the neighborhood.

?One group wants the students in any kind of university-controlled housing, no matter where,? said Brighton resident Michael Pahre, who runs the blog Brighton Centered.

?The other opinion is that this is just a bad idea, . . . neighborhoods in general should not be encouraging universities to expand into residential housing stock,? he said.

The Texas real-estate investment trust Archstone-Smith owns the 17-story building. Boston College signed a purchase-and-sale agreement to buy it, university spokesman Jack Dunn said.

Published reports have put the price tag at $67 million, but Dunn would neither confirm nor deny the price.

Of the 474 people living at the apartment complex now, 196 are BC students, he said.

Dunn said the building was going to be sold and ?had we not purchased the property . . . an additional 196 students would have been added to the 1,200 BC students who currently live in the neighborhood.?

http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1101538
 
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While not a perfect solution of housing students on campus, purchasing 2000 Comm Ave was certainly a step in the right direction for what the community was asking for. The building is fairly isolated, with only a few direct neighbors on Comm Ave, and is certainly away from the quieter neighborhoods away from Comm Ave. BC can at least house many more students than before in BC-owned buildings with this new purchase.

Would people argue that BU should not have purchased all the brownstones along Bay State Rd and south of the turnpike? Colleges cannot always build enough dorms. I see purchasing housing close to campus as a complementary solution to new construction.
 
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Question: looking at satellite photos of the area, I've never noticed Wade Street before. Who lives on that little street -- students or families? If it's already students, then I don't see much of an issue with BC's purchase.
 
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Wade St is primarily families, though BC has bought a couple houses for junior faculty to live in who can't afford the cost of a house in A-B or Newton.
 
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Da Mayuh is p*ssed.

Mayor hits BC?s big plans
Targets apartment conversion plan
By Jay Fitzgerald Tuesday, July 1, 2008

Boston Mayor Thomas Menino is upset with how Boston College is pitching its 10-year master expansion plan that includes the controversial purchase of a 17-story apartment building on Commonwealth Ave. in Brighton.

Dot Joyce, a spokeswoman for Menino, said the mayor didn?t like how BC has sent letters to alumni, urging them to contact the Boston Redevelopment Authority, the mayor?s office and other elected officials in support of the build-out plan.

?The mayor is opposed to their tactics,? said Joyce, adding the letter is not the way to make friends among critical neighbors in Brighton.

Joyce stopped short of saying Menino outright opposes BC?s master plan, especially its purchase of 2000 Commonwealth Ave. - about one-third of a mile from BC?s main campus and where the college hopes one day to house hundreds of students.

Boston College has bragged that it could soon become the first university in the city to house all of its students in dorms, if its master plan is implemented.

But Banker & Tradesman yesterday reported that the mayor, who has urged colleges to build more dorms on their campuses, could be specifically upset about the 2000 Commonwealth Ave. move.

?BC is double-speaking here,? Menino was quoted as saying. ?They?ve said they?re going to have beds for all of their undergraduates on campus, but 2000 Comm. Ave. is not on their campus. I?d rather see them live up to their commitment to house all of the students on campus.?

Joyce said the mayor?s ?double-speaking? remark was only a reference to BC?s alumni letter, which didn?t mention that 2000 Commonwealth Ave. is off-campus.

A spokesman for Boston College couldn?t be reached for comment last night.

Jack Dunn, a BC spokesman, told Banker & Tradesman that BC is ?happy to have a discussion in private with the mayor.?


http://www.bostonherald.com/business/real_estate/view.bg?articleid=1104298
 
Re: Boston College Master Plan debut

god dam i hate there logic here.

House all students on campus, but no dorms on brighton and don't buy 2000!"

I say to god dam bad.
 
Re: Boston College Master Plan debut

I think Da Mayuh found out about the Commonwealth Ave purchase through the press. He behaves like a Medici prince, but one who never read Machiavelli.
 

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