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Yawkey got 360 boardings and 460 alightings daily as of 2012, and that number has almost certainly gone up with the increased frequencies. So that's conservatively at least 5% and quite possibly closer to 10% of passengers on the line using Yawkey station. It's primarily being used by passengers from outside Boston commuting to BU, Fenway/Kenmore, and the LMA. They're saving a solid 15-20 minutes of commute time, versus an extra minute or so of dwell time for passengers staying on board.

Neither Boston Landing nor West will be an all-trains stop - there isn't the demand for that. Commuting hours to either stop will be much more focused than the all-day demand to the LMA, and otherwise they'll just be served by locals.
 
The EGE said:
Yawkey got 360 boardings and 460 alightings daily as of 2012, and that number has almost certainly gone up with the increased frequencies. So that's conservatively at least 5% and quite possibly closer to 10% of passengers on the line using Yawkey station. It's primarily being used by passengers from outside Boston commuting to BU, Fenway/Kenmore, and the LMA. They're saving a solid 15-20 minutes of commute time, versus an extra minute or so of dwell time for passengers staying on board.

Neither Boston Landing nor West will be an all-trains stop - there isn't the demand for that. Commuting hours to either stop will be much more focused than the all-day demand to the LMA, and otherwise they'll just be served by locals.
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I know it would be insane to do, but if yawkey were connected by pedestrian tunnel to kenmore station, i bet passenger traffic would increases the yawkey significantly, simply due to the psychological impact of lessening the distance between the two stations.
 
If Fenway Center (or some other air rights) is eventually built there, that would help a lot. Gets rid of the Pike canyon, and would offer a more direct connection to Brookline Avenue and thus reduce the distance to Kenmore.
 
FK4 said:
I know it would be insane to do, but if yawkey were connected by pedestrian tunnel to kenmore station, i bet passenger traffic would increases the yawkey significantly, simply due to the psychological impact of lessening the distance between the two stations.
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Get the Emerald Necklace path extended there from Fenway on the D and popping up onto Brookline Ave. at the foot of the Pike overpass and you're an equidistant 1100 ft. entrance-to-entrance between Yawkey-Kenmore and Yawkey-Fenway. About the same distance as Back Bay to Copley, which is a walk people make every day for their commuter rail trip to avoid the pain of the Red/SS + Green/Park transfers.

Pike and a whole lot of buildings are in the way of a direct connection, so that's even less feasible than somehow ped tunneling from BBY to Copley...which no one is suggesting is remotely feasible. But just getting it that close by sidewalk with only 1 crosswalk is pretty goddamn useful and worth a healthy ridership bump at Yawkey. If they'd stop farting around with developer politics re: Fenway Center we could've had that slab of paved path poured thru-and-thru yesterday.
 
Interesting photo above, I think that's Guest Street? Coincidentally, a sale took place recorded at the Suffolk County Registry of Deeds for a property or piece of land, I think at 25 Guest Street, for ~$700,000. It last sold in the early 1990's ... for $10,000.
 
F-Line to Dudley said:
Get the Emerald Necklace path extended there from Fenway on the D and popping up onto Brookline Ave. at the foot of the Pike overpass and you're an equidistant 1100 ft. entrance-to-entrance between Yawkey-Kenmore and Yawkey-Fenway. About the same distance as Back Bay to Copley, which is a walk people make every day for their commuter rail trip to avoid the pain of the Red/SS + Green/Park transfers.

Pike and a whole lot of buildings are in the way of a direct connection, so that's even less feasible than somehow ped tunneling from BBY to Copley...which no one is suggesting is remotely feasible. But just getting it that close by sidewalk with only 1 crosswalk is pretty goddamn useful and worth a healthy ridership bump at Yawkey. If they'd stop farting around with developer politics re: Fenway Center we could've had that slab of paved path poured thru-and-thru yesterday.
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That extension is happening with or without Fenway center. The path is getting extended under park, then the old homeless alley that runs from miner street to yawkey/parking lot is getting converted into more formal paved path.
 
The EGE said:
Yawkey got 360 boardings and 460 alightings daily as of 2012, and that number has almost certainly gone up with the increased frequencies. So that's conservatively at least 5% and quite possibly closer to 10% of passengers on the line using Yawkey station. It's primarily being used by passengers from outside Boston commuting to BU, Fenway/Kenmore, and the LMA. They're saving a solid 15-20 minutes of commute time, versus an extra minute or so of dwell time for passengers staying on board.

Neither Boston Landing nor West will be an all-trains stop - there isn't the demand for that. Commuting hours to either stop will be much more focused than the all-day demand to the LMA, and otherwise they'll just be served by locals.
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Huh, in 2012 (the last published stats available), there were 32 boardings at Yawkey out of 12,787 boardings total for the Framingham/Worcester line, which is 2/10 of 1%. While the numbers have certainly increased with the new station since 2012, the number of overall Framingham/Worcester passengers have also greatly expanded with the addition of several additional express trains. My experience sitting at that station in the morning and afternoon support that small numbers.

http://bostonmpo.org/data/html/stud...TA_Commuter_Rail_Passenger_Count_Results.html
 
Pretty sure the ridership numbers for MBTA commuter rail usually just includes inbound boardings, not outbound boardings. I could certainly be mistaken, but that could certainly explain the really small numbers typically reported for Yawkey.
 
navigator4 said:
Huh, in 2012 (the last published stats available), there were 32 boardings at Yawkey out of 12,787 boardings total for the Framingham/Worcester line, which is 2/10 of 1%. While the numbers have certainly increased with the new station since 2012, the number of overall Framingham/Worcester passengers have also greatly expanded with the addition of several additional express trains. My experience sitting at that station in the morning and afternoon support that small numbers.

http://bostonmpo.org/data/html/stud...TA_Commuter_Rail_Passenger_Count_Results.html
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EGE is almost certainly referring to both inbound and outbound boarding, as well as inbound and outbound alighting. You are referring to the "Blue Book" statistics which only count inbound boardings. This will skew your data extremely at a station like Yawkey. The closer into the city you get, the higher of a percentage of boardings are outbound. Most people riding the CR to/from Yawkey have the other end of their trip in the 'burbs (suburban commuters who work at BU, Longwood, for example). You have not counted any of those riders in the statistic you used. To further exemplify your point, "inbound boardings" (the statistic you are using) show 0 boardings at South Station. Does South Station make up 0% of Worcester Line riders? No.
 
EricS said:
Pretty sure the ridership numbers for MBTA commuter rail usually just includes inbound boardings, not outbound boardings. I could certainly be mistaken, but that could certainly explain the really small numbers typically reported for Yawkey.
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Boardings get counted systemwide because boardings leave an immediate paper trail in the fare collection at every stop. That's how they report everything in the Blue Book. The only stops that are going to be artificially depressed in boarding counts are the stops one out from the terminal that allow free inbound trips to/from the terminal, like Back Bay and Porter.

Alightings are too hard to track because you can only narrow it down to station groupings by Zone fare or interzone fare. It takes a field survey, not analysis of centrally collected receipts, to count who exits at a station. Since that takes survey staff, they only do it one station at a time when they have an explicit reason to do headcounts at a particular station. New Yawkey definitely qualifies as one they'd want to get good, detailed survey of alightings at since it projects as an alighting-heavy stop. But you're not going to get that data most places unless they're mining demographics for some sort of big project.

Amtrak does count alightings systemwide, but their ticketing system is set up for that kind of paper trail and the onboard staff have specific customer service responsibilities that verify those counts. Most commuter rail systems that do the same general Zone fare structure are going to be in same boat as the T at not having easily-verifiable alighting data.
 
F-Line, the Blue Book actually only counts inbound boardings for Commuter Rail. This become progressively less accurate of a picture the closer to South/North Station you move. For example, 100% of all boardings at Worcester are inbound, so the Blue Book's numbers give a good idea of boardings overall. Most of Yawkey's boardings are outbound, so the Blue Book tells a very distorted story for a station like Yawkey.
 
Is this new station supposed to have stairs or a ramp down from the Everett St. Bridge? Would really improve access to residents north of the Pike.
 
Deetroyt said:
Is this new station supposed to have stairs or a ramp down from the Everett St. Bridge? Would really improve access to residents north of the Pike.
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Yes. It's up-and-over access from the island platform that spits out separate ramps onto Everett St. and elevators down to Arthur St. ground level.
 
BCDC presentation for 40 Guest Street. Anticipated start of construction in October.

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ICA over the pike. I like it this whole complex is unique and coming together well. Especially compared to what was there.
 
A) A cantilever does not the ICA make.

B) I find it really interesting that this whole area has popped up with out a real context to relate to. Because of this, scale has kind of been thrown out the window. Between the New Balance shoe looking building and the WGBH building there is no visual reference for the height of a floor. This new building as designed kind of looks like it is only 3 stories tall, even though it is much more than that. I haven't decided if this is a good or bad thing, but I just find it an interesting symptom of the area.
 
Lol no one is saying this is an ICA clone. It does look similar to it. Its not a big deal they both look good and this area is coming up fast.
 
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