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I just saw this come across on Twitter...sorry to be the one to post bad news.

FWIW...I've always had my suspicions about Simon's committment to build this tower. They are a shopping mall developer/operator. Building a luxury residential tower always seemed out of their wheelhouse.

http://www.bostonherald.com/busines...uxury_copley_place_tower#.WBN8XNWmlKU.twitter
BREAKING SIMON PROPERTIES POSTPONES LUXURY COPLEY PLACE TOWER

Huge news.

Also, seems to suggest the luxury bubble may burst soon.

Copley Tower was to join a slate of planned and current high-end residential towers, which are rapidly changing the skyline and demographics across Boston’s downtown.

“We do have to worry about supply and demand. And I’m not worried about supply and demand in our retail portfolio. In the case of Copley I got nervous about it,” Simon said.

He told investment analysts: “I mean, I would encourage everybody to study what’s going in construction cost and what’s going on in supply and demand there. ... The reality is, when we started seeing the construction cost, it just not the right time to do it with all the supply and the cost there.”

Simon Property last December had said they also intended to renovate the property and add more space for luxury retailers and restaurants at the upscale shopping mall, hotel and office complex. The entire face of the outside area on Dartmouth Street, between the mall and Tent City apartments, was to be redone.

On Wednesday, Simon told analysts some parts of the project will proceed.

“Work will continue on redeveloping and modernizing the existing retail space at the center as well as the development of the Southwest Corridor, which will create a new entrance to Copley,” he said. “We expect this work will enhance the shopping experience for our guests and retailers and further strengthen our position in the heart of Boston and will be completed by summer of ‘17.”

He also did not rule out one day building the tower.
 
Failed Developer now official.

I've always had my suspicions about Simon's committment to build this tower. They are a shopping mall developer/operator....

Knew we where in trouble when they posted the help wanted sign for what was obviously a skeleton development staff. The details of which were flatly, embarrassing.

The idea that there will be too much supply of luxury property at this level of eminence is overstated. The rate of supply that will be coming, when taken in the context of Greater Boston has already been demonstrated to be about right for this market. Looming recession or not.

Hey Simon; way to go.
 
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Ok, not much to be optimistic about here...
The only shred of optimism is that they might test the market sell the tower to a real developer. I mean, they are sitting on an approved design - it might be worth something to someone.
 
Wonder if there are other such announcements to come both here and around the world -- is this the beginning of popping bubble

i don't believe so. The New York ultra-luxury market may be done, but we're not out in the woods at this level. We've been producing an under-supply of luxury for decades. Our community of developers are the darling of chinese investment, and will continue to be so, even under the threat of a recession. The big players just don't work in such a small sphere, in the way that Simon is doing this. (Simon should have gotten themselves an Asian partner).

Now we'll have to wait a few years. It's really strange considering, we've got yet another example of a developer running out of cash (or guts) just when the finish line was finally in sight!!

Ok, not much to be optimistic about here...
The only shred of optimism is that they might test the market sell the tower to a real developer. I mean, they are sitting on an approved design - it might be worth something to someone.

We're doubly fucked, (slang words today, sorry) because as Boston continues to broil, their retail portfolio will continue to perform.... Even to the point, where Failed Developer will be bragging about how smart, strong and smug they are about keeping the property.

Sell it you pos cowards.
 
Absolutely pathetic if this doesn't get built. It's been kicking around for 10 years already. What a joke. Simon should be ashamed at his total lack of cojones.
 
i don't believe so. The New York ultra-luxury market may be done, but we're not out in the woods at this level. We've been producing an under-supply of luxury for decades. Our community of developers are the darling of chinese investment, and will continue to be so, even under the threat of a recession. The big players just don't work in such a small sphere, in the way that Simon is doing this. (Simon should have gotten themselves an Asian partner).

Now we'll have to wait a few years. It's really strange considering, we've got yet another example of a developer running out of cash (or guts) just when the finish line was finally in sight!!

I can't wait for the luxury housing market to pop because that means developers will be building more affordable housing as that market is still hot (as others have suggested) just like they did in 2008.

Oh wait....
 
Well, the cities and towns around the urban core and 128 Belt haven't been adding enough supply to the market for what is now going on decades..... Boston is gonna pop when Western Civilization pops..... Simon should recognize that punting on Western Civilization, is a pussy move. :)

Some of the most successful highrise projects have been built when it appeared all hope was lost.... Imagine if Millennium Tower had begun digging their foundation 6 months on either side of the Oct 2008 Panic. They'd probably be seeking permitting on their fourth big project – instead of their third.
 
Also, seems to suggest the luxury bubble may burst soon.

is this the beginning of popping bubble

Can we please stop using the b-word. A cooling market and a popping bubble are very different phenomena.

Imagine market growth represented as a person climbing up a stepladder. When the market cools, the person starts to approach the top of the ladder and thus stops climbing, maybe even stepping down a wrung or two. When a bubble bursts, the person stands on the very tippy-top of the ladder, loses his or her balance, and falls to the ground. These are not the same thing.

And jdrinboston in Boston is totally correct: Simon is a shopping mall REIT, not an apartment developer. It figures that they would be the first ones to get cold feet developing luxury residential.
 
I thought this tower made more economic sense than the pike air rights parcels. Oh well, I guess this week is still a net positive with the air rights being proposed again.
 
I can't wait for the luxury housing market to pop because that means developers will be building more affordable housing as that market is still hot (as others have suggested) just like they did in 2008.

Oh wait....

I doubt the next recession will hit Affordable housing development as much as 2008 did. That was a unique event in that the pricing of low income housing tax credits (LIHTCs) cratered due to a really unique event. Fannie Mae had for some time prior to 2008 been showing an insatiable appetite for LIHTC and had grown to a percentage of the market that was unhealthy for the market itself (40% - ish of all credits in 2007). You may recall that Fannie had several years of struggling to re-state their own books and fully understand what their own financial status was. When they got to some semblance of self-awareness, they realized that not only had they not had any profits for several years against which to claim credits, they were not likely to ever again have profits, all the way to infinity and beyond. Tax credits can get rolled forward ten years if you have some and have a bad year, but if your deficits project out forever....., that roll forward is useless.

Fannie's first announcement was not just that they would instantly stop investing in new LIHTC deals - which would have been a shock enough. They also announced the were going to dump all their existing credit investments back on the secondary market. This of course cratered the pricing on all credits, as all the other investors realized that a) a cracking big chunk of competition on new deals just self-vaporized itself, and b) no one really had a clue how much secondary market selling Fannie could or would do, or how fast they could do it, or how much it would spill over into new deal credit pricing. Every single LIHTC deal then in development - which is over 90% of all Affordable apartment construction each year - died instantly.

The Obama administration did not allow Fannie to dump their existing credit investments, so that helped ameliorate that second part of the whammy, and part of the recovery stimulus went to propping up a subset of the deals, pulling them back out of the grave after some time. But lots of them were too far dead. The LIHTC sector did bounce back faster than nearly all other RE sectors, but "faster" does not equal "fast".

While LIHTC pricing has gotten up to a point where I can easily believe a correction is coming, there is no single investor now with such a commanding market share in LIHTC investments as what Fannie had built up in 2007. And while I would not be surprised if a bubble of sorts pops in some real estate sectors, or maybe even a more general recession, I do not at all hear any rumblings of the sort of black swan global financial sector crash that might take down a bunch of LIHTC investors all at once, and recreate the 2008 Fannie swoon. Even the worries about Euro-banks, seems mostly confined to the Euro-zone.

So I don't think Affordable housing would get hit so hard this time around, and you are right, the demand would still be there even if we saw a pop of bubble at the higher end of the market.

Defined terms: "Affordable" with capital A in this post means rent / income restricted, not to be confused with "affordable" with small a, by which I mean the bottom rung of the unrestricted market rate apartments, some of which is indeed pretty affordable to moderate income households by any common sense approach, but is not legally held to households under some given % of AMI.
 
hmm, I just thread-jacked the conversation onto a tangent about affordable housing, didn't I? Um, oops?

Back on topic: too bad about this tower, but not the end of the world. It doesn't seem Simon has ever had their heart in it.
 
I know this has been an exciting week for AB development news (more than just about any city could ask for), but this is still disappointing.
 
I know this has been an exciting week for AB development news (more than just about any city could ask for), but this is still disappointing.

I don't think we can yet conclude that this is all about a bubble bursting. The Simon Tower was always a risky, expensive design. It could just be that as the structural engineers dug deeper and refined cost estimates, the ROI shifted and Simon decided to pull the plug.

Angled struts over the pike supporting a tall tower with a sliver of terra ferma - I'd be willing to bet a cost estimate or two grew substantially along the way.

I think their inexperience as a tower developer may have played a role...there might have been some brighter red flags here for a more experienced developer.

(of course this is all speculation...but I've botched an early cost estimate or two of my own...we all have).
 
I thought this tower made more economic sense than the pike air rights parcels. Oh well, I guess this week is still a net positive with the air rights being proposed again.

The thing that's so incredible – is Simon can sell ALL the risk out of this project, still reap millions, escape to their next real estate venture – and KEEP all their retail portfolio with a few phone calls and a simpe stroke of the pen, and... and....

Tim Logan posts in the Globe....

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...ce-scrapped/EUxJZS1zlYTHHDxNizpPUP/story.html
 
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