Encore Boston Harbor Casino | 1 Broadway | Everett


One source was asking why anyone would come to Everett. Nobody "comes to Everett." They come for the casino resort. Last year, 36 million vacationers headed up to Maine. Most drive through the Boston area to get there (some will stop at the casino, if they know about it). Boston's entertainment options go up in the next 2-3 years with the new Hub on Causeway complex, and the exciting new hotels in the Seaport District elevating the presence of the convention center. In a few years, with dozens of new hi-rise buildings completed (hotels, hi-tech office, residential), Boston is a different city. The casino was designed with the Chinese clientele in mind. Dozens of Chinese affiliated companies are locating in Cambridge and the Seaport District. These people will visit the casino. This resort will do just fine when people figure out its there. If things look so dire, why is the company buying up the surrounding properties? My bet is on the entertainment path between the Encore and the Convention Center, with the Hub on Causeway in the middle. That's a winner.
 

Pffff, this is a joke.

“National Competition: Why Go To Everett, Mass., When You Can Go To Las Vegas?”

-Umm because Vegas is corny and instead of wandering around aimlessly from casino to casino you could instead take a trip to Boston and not only get your gambling in, but catch a sox game, visit the harbor islands, go to a nearby beach, shop on newbury st, take the kids to the aquarium, visit a museum... etc. Plus how many times can you go to Vegas? Once is enough. Id rather try somewhere new and go to a new city to do more than just degenerate stuff. I think this is an advantage for Boston. Vegas is copy and paste 100x, slots everywhere, and the strip gets sooooo old in 5 seconds. I know I got tired of it quick. So why not get away during the day and recharge walking around the common, then come back refreshed and hit the tables again at night. No other city has a Casino of this level in this proximity. You could even stay in a hotel downtown or wherever else you want to stay away from the gambler crowd and take the water taxi over to gamble when you want. The problem is that people havent figured it out yet, because its totally unique. So people are looking at it with the wrong perspective.

“Regional Competition: Why Go Somewhere With Exceedingly Less To Offer?”
-Boston? Less to offer than Vegas? Hahahahahahshahahaha... see above.

“Hotel Rooms: Less Isn't More”
-Again, they dont get it. You have a world class city full of hotels to stay in a water taxi/uber/train ride... away. Go stay at our beautiful brand new 4 seasons if youd like...

“Dining, Events and Gaming: Infrastructure Is Lacking”
-Yet again, take a train, uber, car, water taxi, nobody says you have to stay on the premises. I know in Vegas we walked miles in every direction. If I can do that, people can take a train for miles.

“Location: Is This Advantage As Substantial As It Appears?”
-Yes. Its one of a kind at the moment in the US. Boston has millions of visitors every year and ranks as one of the most visited cities, for good reason. When the orange line bridge opens patrons will be able to go to museums, sporting events, shows, parks...etc.

This was the most telling imo: “These numbers are intended to model the resort running smoothly in a "steady state." According to Wynn, Encore Boston Harbor won't enter a "steady state" until roughly 36 months out -- around Q1 2021.“
-Nobody knows if its a flop or a home run yet, its premature. But since this is a totally new thing its going to take a bit for people to figure this out and also them to figure out how to market it and where their place is in the ecosystem. Theyll be fine if they try to become a part of the greater city vs an island resort on the outskirts. The more integrated they are with the rest of the night life and entertainment the better. They should be marketing to the millions of tourists also. If you can get a steady flow of locals and semi locals, tourists, business people, students, students family...etc theyll be fine. Boston even has Amtrak for potentially the northeast corridor getting their gamble on too. Hold off on the death certificate for a little bit longer...
 
Pffff, this is a joke.

“National Competition: Why Go To Everett, Mass., When You Can Go To Las Vegas?”

-Umm because Vegas is corny and instead of wandering around aimlessly from casino to casino you could instead take a trip to Boston and not only get your gambling in, but catch a sox game, visit the harbor islands, go to a nearby beach, shop on newbury st, take the kids to the aquarium, visit a museum... etc. Plus how many times can you go to Vegas? Once is enough. Id rather try somewhere new and go to a new city to do more than just degenerate stuff. I think this is an advantage for Boston. Vegas is copy and paste 100x, slots everywhere, and the strip gets sooooo old in 5 seconds. I know I got tired of it quick. So why not get away during the day and recharge walking around the common, then come back refreshed and hit the tables again at night. No other city has a Casino of this level in this proximity. You could even stay in a hotel downtown or wherever else you want to stay away from the gambler crowd and take the water taxi over to gamble when you want. The problem is that people havent figured it out yet, because its totally unique. So people are looking at it with the wrong perspective.

“Regional Competition: Why Go Somewhere With Exceedingly Less To Offer?”
-Boston? Less to offer than Vegas? Hahahahahahshahahaha... see above.

“Hotel Rooms: Less Isn't More”
-Again, they dont get it. You have a world class city full of hotels to stay in a water taxi/uber/train ride... away. Go stay at our beautiful brand new 4 seasons if youd like...

“Dining, Events and Gaming: Infrastructure Is Lacking”
-Yet again, take a train, uber, car, water taxi, nobody says you have to stay on the premises. I know in Vegas we walked miles in every direction. If I can do that, people can take a train for miles.

“Location: Is This Advantage As Substantial As It Appears?”
-Yes. Its one of a kind at the moment in the US. Boston has millions of visitors every year and ranks as one of the most visited cities, for good reason. When the orange line bridge opens patrons will be able to go to museums, sporting events, shows, parks...etc.

This was the most telling imo: “These numbers are intended to model the resort running smoothly in a "steady state." According to Wynn, Encore Boston Harbor won't enter a "steady state" until roughly 36 months out -- around Q1 2021.“
-Nobody knows if its a flop or a home run yet, its premature. But since this is a totally new thing its going to take a bit for people to figure this out and also them to figure out how to market it and where their place is in the ecosystem. Theyll be fine if they try to become a part of the greater city vs an island resort on the outskirts. The more integrated they are with the rest of the night life and entertainment the better. They should be marketing to the millions of tourists also. If you can get a steady flow of locals and semi locals, tourists, business people, students, students family...etc theyll be fine. Boston even has Amtrak for potentially the northeast corridor getting their gamble on too. Hold off on the death certificate for a little bit longer...

Amen, brotha. Hey, we forgot the North End. I'd sooner live and die in that richly authentic restaurant paradise than anything in Vegas. I once spent over a grand on a dinner (for 2) at Aureole in Mandalay Bay -- so-so. Went to Tresca in the North End a couple weeks ago, ate at the bar, had a wonderful -- and relatively inexpensive -- meal with all the accompanying feels, sights, and characters. The Venetian or Venice? I'll take Venice every time.
 
There are people who like visiting Vegas, and there are people who like visiting Boston.

The overlap of the two groups is pretty close to a null set.
 
The analysis was not consistent on the value of a gambler's travel time.

When comparing the cost of a local stay at the EBH hotel versus travel to Las Vegas, the analysis assigned no value to travel time required to get to Las Vegas.

The analysis also assigned no value to the travel time for getting to Twin Rivers or Mohegan Sun

Yet when evaluating reviews, the analysis acted like it was very important that local people ( one local reviewer on TripAdvisor) were complaining about local traffic on local streets.(I would look seriously at when that visitor visited--was the complaint about 1.5 hours in traffic lodged during the opening weeks crush loads?)
 
Jeff's point about Las Vegas versus Boston is well taken.

Markets grow when they offer choice, and new offerings succeed by offering something different than the existing market choices.

EBH is not a good choice if you like the desert or dense forest. But if you did not like desert or Forest what choice did you have before EBH--in fact you may not have been gambling at all.

Neither Philly nor Yonkers offer gaming so close to both Downtown & international airport. EBH represents a New Thing. New things have an adoption curve.

That Wynn projects that it will take 12 or 24 or 36 months to get to steady-state seems completely reasonable. And on and exponential growth curve it is very hard to tell the final shape from the initial ramp.
 
Exactly, I think its gonna take a little bit for it to find out exactly where it sits. Its something completely new that did not exist before so theyre kind of creating a new market. A new thing where the casino doesnt have to provide all of the entertainment and part of the benefit is actually that you can completely get away from everything that has to do with the casino and gambling, recharge, and then come back fresh to enjoy it even more. Whereas I know the casinos goal has been to keep you there, I think that can burn people out much quicker to where they end up leaving sooner than if they had a chance to do some other things they enjoy and then come back. The encore hotel can kind of be a home base to a much bigger experience than a casino could ever provide on its own, especially with the OL bridge.
 
It will easily do half a billion in revenue this first year I think, perhaps $650 million and they will get to their 3 year numbers sooner rather than later. A billion per year in 3 to 4 years seems doable as they establish themselves.

I'll let encore worry about the bottom line. To make this a win for the Boston area in terms of tourist dollars, revenue, anchoring further development I would like to see the state and municipalities really try and accelerate redevelopment plans for the area with the assumption that this is going to be a billion dollar per year location. If we are going to be competing with tourism focused cities, then we need to focus on all the things tourists like to see and do that will also benefit residents. Harbor/river walks, well located amenities, the pedestrian bridge, even little things like just making sure that tourists know how to get around and see things. Just making sure that Boston and the area are the destination and not just the casino.

And not losing Boston's distinct character and history. Boston was the start of the American Revolution, our people were and hopefully still are at the forefront of Liberty. Boston and Cambridge are one of the worlds great educational and research centers. People travel to places to see what is unique and cool about them and not what is like everywhere else.
 
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Saying a casino in Boston will be unsuccessful because people who like casinos will prefer to go to Las Vegas is like saying an Italian restaurant in Boston will fail because people who like Italian restaurants will prefer to go to Italy.
 
Saying a casino in Boston will be unsuccessful because people who like casinos will prefer to go to Las Vegas is like saying an Italian restaurant in Boston will fail because people who like Italian restaurants will prefer to go to Italy.

Well said.
 
Saying a casino in Boston will be unsuccessful because people who like casinos will prefer to go to Las Vegas is like saying an Italian restaurant in Boston will fail because people who like Italian restaurants will prefer to go to Italy.

I think this would be true if the casino were in the Back Bay, North Station or Seaport, but the casino is in Everett. It is not in Boston and everything about it feels like it's not in Boston, especially the location/access. Serious transit infrastructure upgrades need to happen immediately to connect it with the city properly.
 
Saying a casino in Boston will be unsuccessful because people who like casinos will prefer to go to Las Vegas is like saying an Italian restaurant in Boston will fail because people who like Italian restaurants will prefer to go to Italy.

I think this would be true if the casino were in the Back Bay, North Station or Seaport, but the casino is in Everett. It is not in Boston and everything about it feels like it's not in Boston, especially the location/access. Serious transit infrastructure upgrades need to happen immediately to connect it with the city properly.

I disagree, Data. We’re talking 20-30 minutes by rail, bus, AND water transit from Back Bay, North Station, and Seaport. And less than 10-15 minutes driving during off-peak times. Encore Boston Harbor is no harder to get to from the neighborhoods you listed than Williamsburg’s Peter Luger Steakhouse is from New York’s Midtown & Financial District.
 
Not arguing against transit or the need for a better system in order to grow the metro area, but I would say people around here are underplaying walk-ability to a great extent. To me a city means you can walk everywhere you want to go during the day and not that you spend your day riding the metro or in taxis flitting from one place to another.

Once the pedestrian bridge is in (which to me is more about knitting together the vibrant Assembly area together with this entertainment and shopping area across the river as much as it is about transit access), then the next thing I would want to see is the riverwalk extended down to Alford st to complete the walkable block and put Sullivan Square next on deck for a major redevelopment which has good access to Assembly, the casino, the shops across the river and the park areas.
 
Not arguing against transit or the need for a better system in order to grow the metro area, but I would say people around here are underplaying walk-ability to a great extent. To me a city means you can walk everywhere you want to go during the day and not that you spend your day riding the metro or in taxis flitting from one place to another.

Once the pedestrian bridge is in (which to me is more about knitting together the vibrant Assembly area together with this entertainment and shopping area across the river as much as it is about transit access), then the next thing I would want to see is the riverwalk extended down to Alford st to complete the walkable block and put Sullivan Square next on deck for a major redevelopment which has good access to Assembly, the casino, the shops across the river and the park areas.

sorry for going off topic, but didnt the MBTA identify Sullivan Station as a possible "Super Station" in their 2040 Report?
 
sorry for going off topic, but didnt the MBTA identify Sullivan Station as a possible "Super Station" in their 2040 Report?

Jay Monty (Everett Transpo Planner) said the goal is to have Everett BRT to Sullivan (local buses and SL3 extension) up and running in 5 years. Sullivan also has Regional Rail potential too.
 
Data, do you know how the BRT is planned to cross the Mystic to Sullivan? Will it be in mixed traffic across the Alford Street Bridge?

Would it make sense for the footbridge to be a foot and transit bridge and have it connect to the Orange line at Assembly instead of Sullivan?
 
Not arguing against transit or the need for a better system in order to grow the metro area, but I would say people around here are underplaying walk-ability to a great extent. To me a city means you can walk everywhere you want to go during the day and not that you spend your day riding the metro or in taxis flitting from one place to another.

Once the pedestrian bridge is in (which to me is more about knitting together the vibrant Assembly area together with this entertainment and shopping area across the river as much as it is about transit access), then the next thing I would want to see is the riverwalk extended down to Alford st to complete the walkable block and put Sullivan Square next on deck for a major redevelopment which has good access to Assembly, the casino, the shops across the river and the park areas.

I wouldn't necessarily say it needs too much transit for it to be successful. Just looking across the border at the casino in Montreal where the only transportation there is basically uber or a cab. I think people's expectation is just incredibly high or because this is more of a resort, people expect higher revenue to justify the cost.
 
Data, do you know how the BRT is planned to cross the Mystic to Sullivan? Will it be in mixed traffic across the Alford Street Bridge?

Would it make sense for the footbridge to be a foot and transit bridge and have it connect to the Orange line at Assembly instead of Sullivan?
Everett's goal is for center lanes on Lower Broadway, not sure what the plan is for Alford St bridge
 

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