Encore Boston Harbor Casino | 1 Broadway | Everett

[tangent]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Winn is pushing for the bridge over to Somerville. They have a study in the works.

No he isn't. The study was a give from Wynn not for Wynn. Otherwise he would have just offered to pay for the thing at something like $6 million. Towards a project that was on the drawing board and something that advocates and planners want to make the area more walkable/bikable, not something that Wynn is pushing for.

Wynn has shuttle buses from the T, water taxis and most people are going to be driving/ubering to the casino. People strolling along the river, visiting shops, going to the movies or dining at Assembly while they are staying at Wynn isn't a clear win for Wynn. It maybe makes the area more attractive to visit, so that is a plus, but if people actually leave the casino then that is somewhat of a minus from that perspective. I think it balances out to a win-win for the area and the casino, but the math is harder to show.

 

[BeeLine]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

https://flic.kr/p/Twh4Wn

A core almost at ground level.

https://flic.kr/p/SWfVnj

 

[tangent]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

And they still have the power plant to contend with. I doubt even Wynn can buy them out.

Not the whole place, certainly, but I'd be looking for them to eventually work something out for the areas of the power plant closer to Alford St.

Though from a big picture perspective it would be good for the power plant to at least retain/acquire enough of a foot print of land so they can build another new plant next to the existing one in 50 years.

 

[GW2500]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

I've been checking this site out for almost ten years now. This is the fastest large scale project I can think of.

 

[JeffDowntown]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

No he isn't. The study was a give from Wynn not for Wynn. Otherwise he would have just offered to pay for the thing at something like $6 million. Towards a project that was on the drawing board and something that advocates and planners want to make the area more walkable/bikable, not something that Wynn is pushing for.

Wynn has shuttle buses from the T, water taxis and most people are going to be driving/ubering to the casino. People strolling along the river, visiting shops, going to the movies or dining at Assembly while they are staying at Wynn isn't a clear win for Wynn. It maybe makes the area more attractive to visit, so that is a plus, but if people actually leave the casino then that is somewhat of a minus from that perspective. I think it balances out to a win-win for the area and the casino, but the math is harder to show.

From a casino owner/operator perspective, people leaving the casino to spend money elsewhere on entertainment, shopping or dining is a huge negative. The mantra is: keep them in the building, close to the casino floor, at almost any cost.

 

[BeeLine]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

^^ And no clocks in public areas!!

 

[TheRifleman]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

From a casino owner/operator perspective, people leaving the casino to spend money elsewhere on entertainment, shopping or dining is a huge negative. The mantra is: keep them in the building, close to the casino floor, at almost any cost.

Assembly Row Retail --RIP---

 

[Reznor]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Assembly Row Retail --RIP---

Yeah... the hundreds or new condos and apartments dwellers as well as thousands of weekday employees at Partners are going to cross the river to hang out at a Casino steakhouse. Relax, take a xanax and see how things play out.

 

[JeffDowntown]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Assembly Row Retail --RIP---

Not exactly.

Assembly Row is hardly dependent on Wynn.

But Wynn certainly does not want to send customers to Assembly Row either.

Both will coexist, but ignore each other. It is the same way Wynn Las Vegas does not advertise the wonderful restaurants at the neighboring Treasure Island and Palazzo. or the shopping at Fashion Show. Nothing to see there, folks.

 

[TheRifleman]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Yeah... the hundreds or new condos and apartments dwellers as well as thousands of weekday employees at Partners are going to cross the river to hang out at a Casino steakhouse. Relax, take a xanax and see how things play out.

Onething for Sure. OUTBACK and EARLS --RIP--
I would take the walk to the casino for the better Steak.

 

[Ruairi]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

From a casino owner/operator perspective, people leaving the casino to spend money elsewhere on entertainment, shopping or dining is a huge negative. The mantra is: keep them in the building, close to the casino floor, at almost any cost.

I get that but in Vegas they make it as easy as possible to get from building to building. Sure, they make it hard to leave the actual gaming floor but the different buildings along the strip are linked quite well.
I would have thought the possibility of a T station within walking distance, coupled with industry like Partners would provide a steady flow to the casino while the shopping/cinema/hotel at assembly may provide attractions for tourists who go to the casino but don't want to gamble. It sounds like it will be mostly gambling, convention space and restaurants. Seems like it would be in Wynn and FRIT's best interest to work together on this.

 

[JeffDowntown]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Onething for Sure. OUTBACK and EARLS --RIP--
I would take the walk to the casino for the better Steak.

A lot of the restaurant choices at Assembly Row seem pretty mediocre.

 

[FK4]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

From a casino owner/operator perspective, people leaving the casino to spend money elsewhere on entertainment, shopping or dining is a huge negative. The mantra is: keep them in the building, close to the casino floor, at almost any cost.

No chance. That whole thing is roped up in LNG and is super locked down, security-wise. It ain't going nowhere.

 

[tysmith95]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Onething for Sure. OUTBACK and EARLS --RIP--
I would take the walk to the casino for the better Steak.

The outback 15 dollar steak will not compete with a Wynn 60 dollar steak. Just sayin.

 

[tangent]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

I get that but in Vegas they make it as easy as possible to get from building to building. Sure, they make it hard to leave the actual gaming floor but the different buildings along the strip are linked quite well.
I would have thought the possibility of a T station within walking distance, coupled with industry like Partners would provide a steady flow to the casino while the shopping/cinema/hotel at assembly may provide attractions for tourists who go to the casino but don't want to gamble. It sounds like it will be mostly gambling, convention space and restaurants. Seems like it would be in Wynn and FRIT's best interest to work together on this.

Which is the big picture view... compare casinos on the strip compared with ones a few blocks over that you need to take a taxi to. Some make it, most don't. Sure people want people to stay in their casinos when they get there, but isolated casinos surrounded by nothing interesting are at a competitive disadvantage.

Being on the Las Vegas Boulevard "strip", people walking up and down the sidewalks (even in 108 degree temperatures) with a light rail system on one side to connect it all together is what makes the strip a destination and Las Vegas more attractive as a tourist destination. The few times I've been there, exploring many of the places within walking distance was a goal.

It is small minded to think that creating a more vibrant connected area in general isn't worth the risk of competition for retail, restaurants and bars.

If it is just Wynn surrounded by nothing of interest, then people from outside the immediate area might as well go to Connecticut and avoid hassle of Boston tolls and traffic. And Assembly certainly needs a steady influx of outside visitors to sustain the restaurants, retail, hotel and movie theater there. And forget international tourism boosting the economy if you don't spruce up the area and make it more enjoyable.

Both sides of the Mystic will benefit from the ability of people to cross over the river and better enjoy the waterfront.

 

[tangent]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

The outback 15 dollar steak will not compete with a Wynn 60 dollar steak. Just sayin.

Depends how I do at the craps table.

 

[Brad Plaid]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

A lot of the restaurant choices at Assembly Row seem pretty mediocre.

And that's just the way people who have been programmed by incessant lifestyle theming seem to want things. Everything is predictable and safe for suburbanites in the plastic, I mean "urban" experience to be found at Synthetic City, um...Disney Row, er I mean...Assembly Land...no wait...

 

[JeffDowntown]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

And that's just the way people who have been programmed by incessant lifestyle theming seem to want things. Everything is predictable and safe for suburbanites in the plastic, I mean "urban" experience to be found at Synthetic City, um...Disney Row, er I mean...Assembly Land...no wait...

+1

 

[tangent]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

And that's just the way people who have been programmed by incessant lifestyle theming seem to want things. Everything is predictable and safe for suburbanites in the plastic, I mean "urban" experience to be found at Synthetic City, um...Disney Row, er I mean...Assembly Land...no wait...

Which means it should fit right in with a casino next door.

 

[FK4]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

And that's just the way people who have been programmed by incessant lifestyle theming seem to want things. Everything is predictable and safe for suburbanites in the plastic, I mean "urban" experience to be found at Synthetic City, um...Disney Row, er I mean...Assembly Land...no wait...

You know, to totally play the devils advocate here, the urban environment in affluent American cities has started to take this look onto. I totally support smart zoning, street-level activation, optimizing the pedestrian experience, etc… But that's basically become a boilerplate template for urban development, and at this point I have to say that it's starting to homogenize everything in a decidedly unpalatable way. Even the bad scuzzy parts of cities are what add to the experience of being in one, and if everything has to have a supermarket every 10 blocks, several coffee shops, restaurants, stores, "wayfinding" and "placemaking", all mandated from the top down, the essence of the diverse experience is lost. I think in another 15 years, most of Boston is going to look A lot more like Assmembly Row than anyone here would like.