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When you have a family with kids you tend to want the titty bars and rock dive bars there and not here.
"Mixed-use development" is all well and good until you start getting families who want a good night sleep right next to venues where people want to get loud at 2 am.
When you have a family with kids you tend to want the titty bars and rock dive bars there and not here.
"Mixed-use development" is all well and good until you start getting families who want a good night sleep right next to venues where people want to get loud at 2 am.
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So, you guys would rather have the South End of the 80's, Quincy Market still filled with meat vendors that stunk up the immediate area for blocks, the Combat Zone, the Elevated by the Old Garden that put the streets in perennial semi-darkness? I remember the city of the early 60's, it was a complete dump! Frankly, I look forward to seeing Boston in 15 years and I have a feeling it ain't gonna be Assembly Row.
So, you guys would rather have the South End of the 80's, Quincy Market still filled with meat vendors that stunk up the immediate area for blocks, the Combat Zone, the Elevated by the Old Garden that put the streets in perennial semi-darkness? I remember the city of the early 60's, it was a complete dump! Frankly, I look forward to seeing Boston in 15 years and I have a feeling it ain't gonna be Assembly Row.
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Eh, if you want peace and quiet move further out. I live in JP on a residential street. Ten years ago I lived on Centre Street right across from a bar. I think neighborhood concerns about noise are valid but only to a point. Places like Kenmore should not be as dead as they are, and that goes for much of downtown Boston. And don't start the hand-wringing about the poor should who are supposedly "forced" to only live next to loud bars. Don't believe it.
And I'm not just talking about noise, I'm talking about things that are rough around the edges. Personally, I wouldn't care about strip bars or punk rockers roaming around with a family, if I were living in an urban area. In New Orleans, the most high class and old guard restaurant in the city, Galatoire's, is right on Bourbon Street between strip clubs and it does just fine. That's called diversity. People in Boston need to lighten the fuck up.
I don't want to return the city to being a total shithole, but it's so goddamned cleaned up it's 20 times more puritanical than it's been since the 18th century. I'm less and less hopeful about Boston - after visiting San Francisco for the first time, and realizing this was a city that to a newcomer looked like a place were men in jeeps with guns came in and said, "Everybody out!" and then in one fell swoop moved in 100% outsiders and abolished any neighborhood culture. The entire city - and I went all over - felt like it had been replaced by transplants. Boston is feeling more and more like that, everything appealing to generic, middle class yuppie values. It's not building in a way anywhere near close to what it needs to to keep the locals here. Yes, cities change, but SF was as emptied out a city as I've ever seen in my life. And Boston is feeling more and more like that. Pick up a copy of this wonderful book - everything in it will be familiar to you because you're from here, and everything in it is now gone, gone, gone.
Eh, if you want peace and quiet move further out. I live in JP on a residential street. Ten years ago I lived on Centre Street right across from a bar. I think neighborhood concerns about noise are valid but only to a point. Places like Kenmore should not be as dead as they are, and that goes for much of downtown Boston. And don't start the hand-wringing about the poor should who are supposedly "forced" to only live next to loud bars. Don't believe it.
And I'm not just talking about noise, I'm talking about things that are rough around the edges. Personally, I wouldn't care about strip bars or punk rockers roaming around with a family, if I were living in an urban area. In New Orleans, the most high class and old guard restaurant in the city, Galatoire's, is right on Bourbon Street between strip clubs and it does just fine. That's called diversity. People in Boston need to lighten the fuck up.
I don't want to return the city to being a total shithole, but it's so goddamned cleaned up it's 20 times more puritanical than it's been since the 18th century. I'm less and less hopeful about Boston - after visiting San Francisco for the first time, and realizing this was a city that to a newcomer looked like a place were men in jeeps with guns came in and said, "Everybody out!" and then in one fell swoop moved in 100% outsiders and abolished any neighborhood culture. The entire city - and I went all over - felt like it had been replaced by transplants. Boston is feeling more and more like that, everything appealing to generic, middle class yuppie values. It's not building in a way anywhere near close to what it needs to to keep the locals here. Yes, cities change, but SF was as emptied out a city as I've ever seen in my life. And Boston is feeling more and more like that. Pick up a copy of this wonderful book - everything in it will be familiar to you because you're from here, and everything in it is now gone, gone, gone.
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Yep. I follow Anthony Sanmarco's "Lost Boston" page on Facebook, and am always astonished by the pictures of places that no longer exist. I'm lucky to remember some of these places with character, but now so much of it has become sanitized/glamorized. At the same time, a lot of that change was inevitable and even necessary for Boston to become the thriving global city that it is today. It's a tough balance, but even as we see Assembly Square style construction popping up as infill in many of the outer neighborhoods, we remain a city of triple deckers and organically defined urban squares.
Yep. I follow Anthony Sanmarco's "Lost Boston" page on Facebook, and am always astonished by the pictures of places that no longer exist. I'm lucky to remember some of these places with character, but now so much of it has become sanitized/glamorized. At the same time, a lot of that change was inevitable and even necessary for Boston to become the thriving global city that it is today. It's a tough balance, but even as we see Assembly Square style construction popping up as infill in many of the outer neighborhoods, we remain a city of triple deckers and organically defined urban squares.
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What you're talking about here is an issue of overall global cultural trends, not of architecture. The replacement of distinct local culture with more homogenized and generalized culture is a product of globalization and increased communication across borders (whether these borders be national, state, municipal, or whatever). The local market in Boston now more closely resembles the overall national market for the exact same reasons that local markets in Asia now more closely resemble markets in "the West". Just as children in China now learn American English, children in Somerville now learn to pronounce their Rs. Just as people in Vietnam may complain about American chains moving in, people in Boston complain about European chains moving in.
New (contemporary) developments, by definition, get new (contemporary) tenants. And contemporary tenants are shaped by contemporary culture. This phenomenon has absolutely nothing to do with "Assembly Square style construction"; it has everything to do with the fact that new buildings are new. No matter what new buildings get built, the products of contemporary culture will occupy it. If Assembly were all triple deckers they'd still be occupied by people with "middle class yuppie values".
Local environments and populations change with the times; they always have and they always will. The world is getting smaller every day, and "outsiders" and "transplants" will always replace those who lived in an area in the past. Neither criticizing developers nor voting for Trump is going to stop this.
[This is QUITE the tangent... Sorry.]
What you're talking about here is an issue of overall global cultural trends, not of architecture. The replacement of distinct local culture with more homogenized and generalized culture is a product of globalization and increased communication across borders (whether these borders be national, state, municipal, or whatever). The local market in Boston now more closely resembles the overall national market for the exact same reasons that local markets in Asia now more closely resemble markets in "the West". Just as children in China now learn American English, children in Somerville now learn to pronounce their Rs. Just as people in Vietnam may complain about American chains moving in, people in Boston complain about European chains moving in.
New (contemporary) developments, by definition, get new (contemporary) tenants. And contemporary tenants are shaped by contemporary culture. This phenomenon has absolutely nothing to do with "Assembly Square style construction"; it has everything to do with the fact that new buildings are new. No matter what new buildings get built, the products of contemporary culture will occupy it. If Assembly were all triple deckers they'd still be occupied by people with "middle class yuppie values".
Local environments and populations change with the times; they always have and they always will. The world is getting smaller every day, and "outsiders" and "transplants" will always replace those who lived in an area in the past. Neither criticizing developers nor voting for Trump is going to stop this.
[This is QUITE the tangent... Sorry.]
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I too remember the Boston of the late 1950's and 1960's. It was a dying city in a stagnant metro area. Most who look back at the era with nostalgic envy were born in the 1970's or later.
I too remember the Boston of the late 1950's and 1960's. It was a dying city in a stagnant metro area. Most who look back at the era with nostalgic envy were born in the 1970's or later.
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I mostly just wax nostalgic for the formally thriving music scene around Boston. I was barely old enough to go to any of the good old clubs before they all started closing down.
But, music is such a huge part of my life, that I personally miss that. The fact that music and other cultural venues for those on the fringes of what some might deem normal society truly belong in dense urban areas is something I feel strongly about. I also feel strongly that the loss of so much of this detracts from Boston as a whole.
Titty bars are not a big part of my life, but I do feel they belong where they make sense (and money). The two left in Boston proper, don't seem to detract from the neighborhood if you ask me. But, would I want to live upstairs from the Naked I in the 80's or 90's from when I remember it, that's a negative.
I'd be thrilled to live upstairs from the Rat however. If it were only still possible.
None of that has anything to do with a casino however. I actually had to scroll up to remember what thread this derailment was in.
I mostly just wax nostalgic for the formally thriving music scene around Boston. I was barely old enough to go to any of the good old clubs before they all started closing down.
But, music is such a huge part of my life, that I personally miss that. The fact that music and other cultural venues for those on the fringes of what some might deem normal society truly belong in dense urban areas is something I feel strongly about. I also feel strongly that the loss of so much of this detracts from Boston as a whole.
Titty bars are not a big part of my life, but I do feel they belong where they make sense (and money). The two left in Boston proper, don't seem to detract from the neighborhood if you ask me. But, would I want to live upstairs from the Naked I in the 80's or 90's from when I remember it, that's a negative.
I'd be thrilled to live upstairs from the Rat however. If it were only still possible.
None of that has anything to do with a casino however. I actually had to scroll up to remember what thread this derailment was in.
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I think it had something to do with connecting Wynn to Assembly or maybe Wynn buying up properties in what was described as "a tight-knit neighborhood" by one of the local rags looking to cause a stir.
But yes, well off topic.
I think it had something to do with connecting Wynn to Assembly or maybe Wynn buying up properties in what was described as "a tight-knit neighborhood" by one of the local rags looking to cause a stir.
But yes, well off topic.
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I remember in the 1960's and 1970's how so many tight knit neighborhoods would unravel in a year once the first black family moved in.
I remember in the 1960's and 1970's how so many tight knit neighborhoods would unravel in a year once the first black family moved in.
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i was being very specific in my commentary. i absolutely do not want to return to a filthy, dangerous, dying version of boston. i do, however, like my cities to feel like cities rather than a giant gated community. a couple more strip clubs and dive bars would go a long way in that direction. as for the world becoming smaller and homogenized -- sure, no question, but i am currently in frankfurt germany (a pretty boring european city fwiw) and while there are chains here and there the unique retaurants/cafes and mom & pop operations FAR outweigh the mcdonalds and starbucks and, while the city itself is extremely clean and very very safe, there is a red light district and there's a pretty decent punk rock bar down the street from my hotel. if even boring frankfurt can pull of being both clean/safe/cosmopolitan AND retain a little grit, i don't see why boston shouldn't aspire to the same.
i was being very specific in my commentary. i absolutely do not want to return to a filthy, dangerous, dying version of boston. i do, however, like my cities to feel like cities rather than a giant gated community. a couple more strip clubs and dive bars would go a long way in that direction. as for the world becoming smaller and homogenized -- sure, no question, but i am currently in frankfurt germany (a pretty boring european city fwiw) and while there are chains here and there the unique retaurants/cafes and mom & pop operations FAR outweigh the mcdonalds and starbucks and, while the city itself is extremely clean and very very safe, there is a red light district and there's a pretty decent punk rock bar down the street from my hotel. if even boring frankfurt can pull of being both clean/safe/cosmopolitan AND retain a little grit, i don't see why boston shouldn't aspire to the same.
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no srsly... i was just about to post;
great hotel!
no srsly... i was just about to post;
great hotel!
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East Broadway is a short walk from assembly, It's recently been cleaned up and still seems local, with no chains but good food and local bars. Better choices for food than anything you'll find in Assembly. Worth remembering that they didn't level anything to build Assembly, it's better that the wasteland that was there before! Anyway, casino, build the bridge!!
East Broadway is a short walk from assembly, It's recently been cleaned up and still seems local, with no chains but good food and local bars. Better choices for food than anything you'll find in Assembly. Worth remembering that they didn't level anything to build Assembly, it's better that the wasteland that was there before! Anyway, casino, build the bridge!!
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very true. aside from khourey's state spa closing a few years back (best bar name ever, btw) east somerville is great. long live mt. vernon!
and, back to the actual topic, i also agree that a bridge would be helpful in alleviating the flustercluck that will be sullivan square and fellsway otherwise.
very true. aside from khourey's state spa closing a few years back (best bar name ever, btw) east somerville is great. long live mt. vernon!
and, back to the actual topic, i also agree that a bridge would be helpful in alleviating the flustercluck that will be sullivan square and fellsway otherwise.
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That's not 100% true. I definitely remember the paintball places and Good Times. Though technically it was on where the Partners is at.
That's not 100% true. I definitely remember the paintball places and Good Times. Though technically it was on where the Partners is at.
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The entire city of Everett is in a massive Building transformation. It seems right now WYNN development has ignited the city into massive building of condos everywhere thoughout the city.
Wynn buying all the depressed property on 99 for 200--300% over asking prices tells you that Everett might end up as HIGH END property in the future.
Everett has officially changed---possibly for the better for the short-term. Real estate is booming in this city.
The entire city of Everett is in a massive Building transformation. It seems right now WYNN development has ignited the city into massive building of condos everywhere thoughout the city.
Wynn buying all the depressed property on 99 for 200--300% over asking prices tells you that Everett might end up as HIGH END property in the future.
Everett has officially changed---possibly for the better for the short-term. Real estate is booming in this city.
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Any statistical evidence or source for this "massive building of condos everywhere through out the city?"
Any statistical evidence or source for this "massive building of condos everywhere through out the city?"
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Sorry---more like driving through the city.
**Near Wellington,
**Mellon Bank
**Near the NSTAR Electric/TimeWarner (Malden Border) Near the end of the malden river
**Main Street (Condos on top of old existing buildings)
**Wynn spending millions on 99
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/r...-demolition/6neLAa03dOIEjYjENauYWM/story.html
Everett is probably going to change for the better---in the short-term and WYNN is making a huge bet on this.
Why wouldn't it---Close to the city near the jobs---Wynn built a casino in an area that is very much in demand for Real Estate
Sorry---more like driving through the city.
**Near Wellington,
**Mellon Bank
**Near the NSTAR Electric/TimeWarner (Malden Border) Near the end of the malden river
**Main Street (Condos on top of old existing buildings)
**Wynn spending millions on 99
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/r...-demolition/6neLAa03dOIEjYjENauYWM/story.html
Everett is probably going to change for the better---in the short-term and WYNN is making a huge bet on this.
Why wouldn't it---Close to the city near the jobs---Wynn built a casino in an area that is very much in demand for Real Estate