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wow. i was literally about to ask when we could get some drone video!!
wow. i was literally about to ask when we could get some drone video!!
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From how far? Is the question. I think we have discussed the potential market quite a bit. Certainly people will be coming from all over Eastern Mass and Southern New Hampshire (even Maine). And people visiting Boston anyway will consider Wynn as a good hotel option.
Beyond that, actually being an attraction itself beyond the region, then I think the whole area is going to need more redevelopment than is going to be ready on day 1.
Regardless I think it is the Boston/Wynn combination that is the selling point and not just Wynn as a standalone destination.
From how far? Is the question. I think we have discussed the potential market quite a bit. Certainly people will be coming from all over Eastern Mass and Southern New Hampshire (even Maine). And people visiting Boston anyway will consider Wynn as a good hotel option.
Beyond that, actually being an attraction itself beyond the region, then I think the whole area is going to need more redevelopment than is going to be ready on day 1.
Regardless I think it is the Boston/Wynn combination that is the selling point and not just Wynn as a standalone destination.
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You don't go to Vegas for Wynn.
You go to Wynn for Vegas. That is the attraction is Vegas, and everything it offers.
You just pick your favorite place to stay, and by default spend more of your time than at any other single place.
Similarly, you don't go to Boston for Wynn.
The attraction is Boston and all that it offers. Wynn provide a new attractive location to, by default, spend more time at a single place while in town.
Gambling is gambling. It's all the externalities that surround gambling in Vegas that get weighed against the externalities in Boston. Depending on what you are looking to do, one destination far outweighs the other. That's what would drive a decision.
Does it potentially make Boston a more attractive destination to a certain clientele. I think so. Too some folks, this is another check mark in the pro column for Boston when looking for things to do on an extended stay, or even on a quick trip. It's not going to show up as a con on many folks checklists I don't believe. So, on the whole, from a global or destination standpoint, it's a net positive for the region.
It needs to be relatively easy to get to for visitors, and it will be. Many travelers will be taking taxis, ubers, etc. Trains and buses will be used as well. The monorail is a well used method of travel in Vegas, so many looking for gambling are already plenty familiar with public transit. The many buses to Foxwoods and Mohegan back this up as well.
If it weren't for the big ass power plant next door... the outdoor attraction of the Wynn would put this more on par with European destinations than with Vegas. A nice promenade out to the river with a great view of the skyline of a world city is huge. Just don't look east.
When Wynn starts developing all of the land he is buying around this into condos (which is my guess only), there will be a totally different feel to this area, that says Boston much more than it says Everett.
You don't go to Vegas for Wynn.
You go to Wynn for Vegas. That is the attraction is Vegas, and everything it offers.
You just pick your favorite place to stay, and by default spend more of your time than at any other single place.
Similarly, you don't go to Boston for Wynn.
The attraction is Boston and all that it offers. Wynn provide a new attractive location to, by default, spend more time at a single place while in town.
Gambling is gambling. It's all the externalities that surround gambling in Vegas that get weighed against the externalities in Boston. Depending on what you are looking to do, one destination far outweighs the other. That's what would drive a decision.
Does it potentially make Boston a more attractive destination to a certain clientele. I think so. Too some folks, this is another check mark in the pro column for Boston when looking for things to do on an extended stay, or even on a quick trip. It's not going to show up as a con on many folks checklists I don't believe. So, on the whole, from a global or destination standpoint, it's a net positive for the region.
It needs to be relatively easy to get to for visitors, and it will be. Many travelers will be taking taxis, ubers, etc. Trains and buses will be used as well. The monorail is a well used method of travel in Vegas, so many looking for gambling are already plenty familiar with public transit. The many buses to Foxwoods and Mohegan back this up as well.
If it weren't for the big ass power plant next door... the outdoor attraction of the Wynn would put this more on par with European destinations than with Vegas. A nice promenade out to the river with a great view of the skyline of a world city is huge. Just don't look east.
When Wynn starts developing all of the land he is buying around this into condos (which is my guess only), there will be a totally different feel to this area, that says Boston much more than it says Everett.
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The power plant is a waste of good waterfront space. But I also understand it is a necessity and its location made sense given the area for the previous 60 years. But I wonder if there's a way that we can reach a point we won't need that power plant in that location to power our stuff anymore.
The power plant is a waste of good waterfront space. But I also understand it is a necessity and its location made sense given the area for the previous 60 years. But I wonder if there's a way that we can reach a point we won't need that power plant in that location to power our stuff anymore.
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Hopefully, but not anytime in the immediate future.
That's a massive plant, serving a huge portion of the local population. It's rated for about 3x the output of the Pilgrim Nuclear Plant in Plymouth.
Hopefully, but not anytime in the immediate future.
That's a massive plant, serving a huge portion of the local population. It's rated for about 3x the output of the Pilgrim Nuclear Plant in Plymouth.
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Is it 1.6 Gw worth? Offshore wind in the near future may allow it to retire.
Is it 1.6 Gw worth? Offshore wind in the near future may allow it to retire.
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2,021 MW I believe is the rating I read. So, yes 2.0 GW.
I'd love for this country to get out of it's own way and start developing offshore wind. I'm not sure how quickly that happens even when approved. There is a lot of infrastructure needed as well to allow that. Not just plunking turbines out to sea.
It would be great if we could get back to leading the world in wind power. But, I don't see that leading to this power plants decommissioning in our immediate future. We already are losing some of our current power plants across the region, which will leave new england at a power defecit. Meaning we will need to pay more to buy out of region power.
2,021 MW I believe is the rating I read. So, yes 2.0 GW.
I'd love for this country to get out of it's own way and start developing offshore wind. I'm not sure how quickly that happens even when approved. There is a lot of infrastructure needed as well to allow that. Not just plunking turbines out to sea.
It would be great if we could get back to leading the world in wind power. But, I don't see that leading to this power plants decommissioning in our immediate future. We already are losing some of our current power plants across the region, which will leave new england at a power defecit. Meaning we will need to pay more to buy out of region power.
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You still need load balancing base load and peaking stations, even with off-shore wind.
We are not taking 2.0 GW of capacity off-line any time soon.
You still need load balancing base load and peaking stations, even with off-shore wind.
We are not taking 2.0 GW of capacity off-line any time soon.
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We have discussed this in thread before, but the older part of the station (the three stacks) could be torn down without much/any impact to production. I don't recall if they are used at all anymore, but I don't believe so. The big stack is still used, but is a lot less efficient than the newer plant or other newer plants like Salem.
The waterfront location was so they could receive oil shipments. Oil is less and less part of the fuel mix, but LNG shipments are still going to be a necessary part of the mix going forward especially without nuclear. Basically all the wind they are installing is going to displace carbon free nuclear and the only way we are reducing emissions is with hydro from Canada. Natural gas is holding steady for the next 30 years.
We have discussed this in thread before, but the older part of the station (the three stacks) could be torn down without much/any impact to production. I don't recall if they are used at all anymore, but I don't believe so. The big stack is still used, but is a lot less efficient than the newer plant or other newer plants like Salem.
The waterfront location was so they could receive oil shipments. Oil is less and less part of the fuel mix, but LNG shipments are still going to be a necessary part of the mix going forward especially without nuclear. Basically all the wind they are installing is going to displace carbon free nuclear and the only way we are reducing emissions is with hydro from Canada. Natural gas is holding steady for the next 30 years.
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Yes, everyone tends to forget that we lose Pilgrim in a few years. That has to be made up somehow (hopefully off-shore wind).
Also, if you tear down the old station, to do something there you have to clean up the site (it is guaranteed to be badly contaminated). That is probably why the old station is still standing; too costly to demo.
Yes, everyone tends to forget that we lose Pilgrim in a few years. That has to be made up somehow (hopefully off-shore wind).
Also, if you tear down the old station, to do something there you have to clean up the site (it is guaranteed to be badly contaminated). That is probably why the old station is still standing; too costly to demo.
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I know it will never happen, but if they do ever decommission the old plant and put the parcel out to development I hope the developer can figure out a way to clean up and save at least some of the old plant. But that is getting waay ahaead of the game.
I know it will never happen, but if they do ever decommission the old plant and put the parcel out to development I hope the developer can figure out a way to clean up and save at least some of the old plant. But that is getting waay ahaead of the game.
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Maybe... with Wynn at the table redevelopment time tables for the area have already been moved up by decades.
Still... moving infrastructure and capacity would have to coincide with a major reinvestment in the power plant that Wynn isn't going to bank roll alone. I believe Salem's new smaller footprint more efficient power station cost around a billion.
I like much of the older brick building part of power plant and it would be great if that could be incorporated into whatever comes next.
Looking back at the New Bedford casino proposal and their waterfront cannon st station is a good example of what something might look like mixing the old and the new.
Old New Bedford casino article with small render
Maybe... with Wynn at the table redevelopment time tables for the area have already been moved up by decades.
Still... moving infrastructure and capacity would have to coincide with a major reinvestment in the power plant that Wynn isn't going to bank roll alone. I believe Salem's new smaller footprint more efficient power station cost around a billion.
I like much of the older brick building part of power plant and it would be great if that could be incorporated into whatever comes next.
Looking back at the New Bedford casino proposal and their waterfront cannon st station is a good example of what something might look like mixing the old and the new.
Old New Bedford casino article with small render
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We're seeing this (in early stages) already with the L Street power station.
The developer who bought it prides themselves on being the rehab folks for old power stations and things like this.
They are trying to incorporate some of the nicer brickwork into the redeveloped site. Hopefully (in not toooo many years) the same will be done here.
We're seeing this (in early stages) already with the L Street power station.
The developer who bought it prides themselves on being the rehab folks for old power stations and things like this.
They are trying to incorporate some of the nicer brickwork into the redeveloped site. Hopefully (in not toooo many years) the same will be done here.
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Personally as a height guy I'd like to see the 500' tall smokestack stay on the skyline indefinitely. We'll never get anything else approaching that height in this area. For me, it's just 1 more interesting thing to look at.
Personally as a height guy I'd like to see the 500' tall smokestack stay on the skyline indefinitely. We'll never get anything else approaching that height in this area. For me, it's just 1 more interesting thing to look at.
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Yeah, my line of thought was this is surely not the most efficient facility around, and it might not be too cost effective to keep it around for that much longer.
Also I really don't get why the public is so squeamish about nuclear power. We have so many safety controls its really not that dangerous, except for those who work a career in close proximity to the reactors. Source: I live in very close proximity to many reactors, if you think about it. Never been an issue except for people who have directly worked on reactors for their whole lives.
Yeah, my line of thought was this is surely not the most efficient facility around, and it might not be too cost effective to keep it around for that much longer.
Also I really don't get why the public is so squeamish about nuclear power. We have so many safety controls its really not that dangerous, except for those who work a career in close proximity to the reactors. Source: I live in very close proximity to many reactors, if you think about it. Never been an issue except for people who have directly worked on reactors for their whole lives.