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[Mongo]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

That's such a weak argument. Concerned about cars polluting? Fund transit not highways.

I mean if part of the settlement could go towards GLX, that would be great.

 

[boston85]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

If Curtatone really cares about traffic concerns, then he should be focusing his efforts on getting the damn green line extension built through Somerville. It is absolutely ridiculous how little has transpired in getting that extension built--the green line has been the plan for decades to mitigate for I-93 air pollution. The Union Square spur alone would do wonders for traffic management!

If Curtatone really cares about traffic concerns he would have asked for more traffic mitigations from Assembly row developers and Partners, which create substantially more car trips within Somerville City limits than the casino. He is so hypocritical with every lawsuit and appeal. All one has to do is look across the river at Assembly Row development and the money he threw at the developers.

 

[TheRifleman]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

If Curtatone really cares about traffic concerns, then he should be focusing his efforts on getting the damn green line extension built through Somerville. It is absolutely ridiculous how little has transpired in getting that extension built--the green line has been the plan for decades to mitigate for I-93 air pollution. The Union Square spur alone would do wonders for traffic management!

How is it curtatone fault about the green line when the mbta can't even give an accurate budget for the project. Give or take a couple billion for that project. Why didn't the state just do an accurate assessment concerning the traffi scenario for this project with solutions that would have settled surrounding areas from suing Wynn. It just seems like nobody cares or has understanding on the area: traffic in that area has increased 10fold over the last decade.

 

[whighlander]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

If Curtatone really cares about traffic concerns he would have asked for more traffic mitigations from Assembly row developers and Partners, which create substantially more car trips within Somerville City limits than the casino. He is so hypocritical with every lawsuit and appeal. All one has to do is look across the river at Assembly Row development and the money he threw at the developers.

Boston85 -- Curatone is a small man [think kicker] trying to tackle a running back with a full head of steam [Steve Wynn] with two big blockers [Marty Walsh and Charlie Baker] -- this one is not going to be very nice to watch

If he was smart he would have tried to get his settlement before Marty and Steve had Val's Day

I've feeling that someone from the Gov's office circle of friends just might drop a hint to someone who knows Joe well that the review of the GLX is underway and that Sommerville's concerns on the Green Line project would be better received if the Commonwealth didn't have to deal with this nuisance law suit

 

[tangent]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

I mean if part of the settlement could go towards GLX, that would be great.

Not really clear how many new PowerPoint presentations $200k can really buy.

 

[navigator4]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Boston85 -- Curatone is a small man [think kicker] trying to tackle a running back with a full head of steam [Steve Wynn] with two big blockers [Marty Walsh and Charlie Baker] -- this one is not going to be very nice to watch

Curatone is actually an idiot.

 

[Ruairi]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

I don't have much of a general opinion on Curtatone one way or the other but I do live in East Somerville, and as the resident of a neighboring community, I'm glad he's trying to get as much as he can out of this situation. It would be foolish not to.

 

[atlantaden]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

I don't have much of a general opinion on Curtatone one way or the other but I do live in East Somerville, and as the resident of a neighboring community, I'm glad he's trying to get as much as he can out of this situation. It would be foolish not to.

So, I guess that you would have supported the mayors of Boston or Everett suing the developers of Assembly Square citing increased traffic and thus air pollution which would affect the health and wellbeing of their respective residents.

 

[617]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

So, I guess that you would have supported the mayors of Boston or Everett suing the developers of Assembly Square citing increased traffic and thus air pollution which would affect the health and wellbeing of their respective residents.

+1 billion

 

[Ruairi]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

So, I guess that you would have supported the mayors of Boston or Everett suing the developers of Assembly Square citing increased traffic and thus air pollution which would affect the health and wellbeing of their respective residents.

No, but I would have understood it

 

[George_Apley]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

So, I guess that you would have supported the mayors of Boston or Everett suing the developers of Assembly Square citing increased traffic and thus air pollution which would affect the health and wellbeing of their respective residents.

If Federal Realty Investment Trust was as high profile, slimy, and flowing with cash as Wynn is, I'd have absolutely expected them too. This is about resources and mitigation. Curtatone thinks Wynn can shell out more to Somerville in some form or another. Walsh proved him right in that regard.

Boston and Everett clearly didn't think that FRIT would (or could) cut the sort of bargain that Wynn is capable of. The moralizing about casino gambling also helps make this an opportunistic political issue.

 

[tangent]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

That would be funny if Wynn surreptitiously funded a lawsuit to halt construction of the Assembly Row development.

 

[The EGE]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

FRIT (and Partners) have been significantly more open to funding transit than Wynn. FRIT plunked down $15M for the station (in addition to paying for some of the AS roads, if I recall), and assisted the MBTA with getting state and federal funding. The MBTA paid no money for the construction of the station, and because it was an infill station, the additional fare revenue likely more than covers the marginal operational cost. Partners is building 1600 parking spaces for 4100 employees, and is paying for the construction cost of the full south headhouse. And both of them chose Assembly partially because it is located on a high-frequency transit line with the ability for a stop to be located there.

Assembly is very probably a net transit benefit even for those not going to properties that FRIT or Partners are involved in; I'm guessing that the improved access to the Assembly Square Mall, Home Depot, Stop & Shop, the District Court, and the Ten Hills neighborhood outweighs the slightly increased travel time for existing Wellington-north riders.

Wynn chose to locate his casino in a location poorly served by existing transit (at least Suffolk Downs would have had the Blue Line), without the ability to add an infill station. He knowingly faked the traffic study (read the comments from Mikel Murga and Fred Salvucci on the DEIS - the methodology used is intended to analyzing intersections in isolation and is wholly inappropriate for closely-spaced intersections with the potential for interfering queues [i.e, anywhere in urban areas], and is pretty obviously meant to hide the potential for actual local or regional issues). He based the traffic study on ignoring preexisting plans for calming Sullivan Square, including removing the underpass.

Other than paying to extend rush-hour frequency on the Orange Line (which I do applaud), Wynn's plans only serve the casino and don't benefit other areas. I would rather have seen him pay for additional frequencies on the 104/105/109 (gee, isn't that how the Everett natives he claims he'll employ would get to work?) and perhaps create a high-frequency, high-reliability Everett Square short-turn. Pay for additional Silver Line buses to run off-busway from Chelsea to Sullivan, thus providing a one-seat ride from South Station and the Seaport and a two-seat (or a new one-seat) from Logan. At least fund a study to see whether it'd be feasible to extend a third GLX branch from the carhouse leads, up the abandoned yard tracks past Sullivan, and to the Casino and downtown Everett.

 

[tangent]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

FRIT (and Partners) have been significantly more open to funding transit than Wynn. FRIT plunked down $15M for the station (in addition to paying for some of the AS roads, if I recall), and assisted the MBTA with getting state and federal funding. The MBTA paid no money for the construction of the station, and because it was an infill station, the additional fare revenue likely more than covers the marginal operational cost. Partners is building 1600 parking spaces for 4100 employees, and is paying for the construction cost of the full south headhouse. And both of them chose Assembly partially because it is located on a high-frequency transit line with the ability for a stop to be located there.

Assembly is very probably a net transit benefit even for those not going to properties that FRIT or Partners are involved in; I'm guessing that the improved access to the Assembly Square Mall, Home Depot, Stop & Shop, the District Court, and the Ten Hills neighborhood outweighs the slightly increased travel time for existing Wellington-north riders.

Wynn chose to locate his casino in a location poorly served by existing transit (at least Suffolk Downs would have had the Blue Line), without the ability to add an infill station. He knowingly faked the traffic study (read the comments from Mikel Murga and Fred Salvucci on the DEIS - the methodology used is intended to analyzing intersections in isolation and is wholly inappropriate for closely-spaced intersections with the potential for interfering queues [i.e, anywhere in urban areas], and is pretty obviously meant to hide the potential for actual local or regional issues). He based the traffic study on ignoring preexisting plans for calming Sullivan Square, including removing the underpass.

Other than paying to extend rush-hour frequency on the Orange Line (which I do applaud), Wynn's plans only serve the casino and don't benefit other areas. I would rather have seen him pay for additional frequencies on the 104/105/109 (gee, isn't that how the Everett natives he claims he'll employ would get to work?) and perhaps create a high-frequency, high-reliability Everett Square short-turn. Pay for additional Silver Line buses to run off-busway from Chelsea to Sullivan, thus providing a one-seat ride from South Station and the Seaport and a two-seat (or a new one-seat) from Logan. At least fund a study to see whether it'd be feasible to extend a third GLX branch from the carhouse leads, up the abandoned yard tracks past Sullivan, and to the Casino and downtown Everett.

Yes, but all those commuters and visitors are using those Assembly Row parking garages and even if they are using transit they are probably driving to get there. Think of the children!!! Today's kids can go visit legoland discovery center, but their emissions will cause it to be underwater in 100 years!

Certainly there is the basis to challenge the permitting of Assembly Row, especially next phases, if there is a basis to challenge Wynn.

Everett should file a lawsuit to stop development of Assembly Row to save our environment and eliminate traffic.

 

[whighlander]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Yes, but all those commuters and visitors are using those Assembly Row parking garages and even if they are using transit they are probably driving to get there. Think of the children!!! Today's kids can go visit legoland discovery center, but their emissions will cause it to be underwater in 100 years!

Certainly there is the basis to challenge the permitting of Assembly Row, especially next phases, if there is a basis to challenge Wynn.

Everett should file a lawsuit to stop development of Assembly Row to save our environment and eliminate traffic.

Tangent -- as should Meffa -- more cars spend more time crawling through Meffa on 93 than anywhere else -- the folks of Meffa get all the exhaust from the cars sitting and then accelerating -- they've got the biggest claim against Assembly Row

 

[F-Line to Dudley]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Obligatory. . .

 

[TheRifleman]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Which leads to the question why hasn't our state officials/gaming commission recognize the traffic flow scenario/ along with transit upgrades concerning this development.

Are they just this fucking stupid?

If the state had a transit plan in place for this development then Wynn Would not be getting sued by the surrounding cities for this development.

 

[Upstruk]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

https://www.massdot.state.ma.us/Portals/17/docs/Everett/EverettPubMeet021116.pdf

Mass Dot has started a study for improved public transit in Everett. In summary it looks like the main focus is to extend the Chelsea Silver Line to the Orange Line at Malden and / or Wellington and / or Sullivan. It also lists adding infill Orange Line or Commuter rail stations.

*This may not be the best place to post this as it is about Everett transit in general.

 

[F-Line to Dudley]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Which leads to the question why hasn't our state officials/gaming commission recognize the traffic flow scenario/ along with transit upgrades concerning this development.

Are they just this fucking stupid?

If the state had a transit plan in place for this development then Wynn Would not be getting sued by the surrounding cities for this development.

I think the whole tragi-comedy of the licensing process has answered that question pretty emphatically:

Yes, the Mass. gaming commission is populated by a bunch of really fucking stupid people.

 

[atlantaden]

Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...-compromise/JnaqHclZIT9ftohi178HWI/story.html

And the soap opera continues! Wynn must be wondering what the hell he was thinking to ever want to build here in Boston. I know this is an extreme example but it is a great example of why it's so difficult to build in Boston and the surrounding towns whether commercial or residential...any individual who's out there with a grudge seems to find a way to delay, delay, delay. It really does happen over and over again.