Encore Boston Harbor Casino | 1 Broadway | Everett

odurandina said:
Looking at that last shot.... fill the whole smash with 800~900' skyscrapers. join the towns, build a huge new grid: avenues, highways, transit and call it North Boston. Who needs to call any of it Cambridge, Somerville, Chelsea, Malden, Everett anyway?

Isn't that how they should plan for the next 75 years?
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orrr... just rename Boston 'South Everett'
 
lapradetom said:
^ Brilliant idea..... it also looks like the perfect backdrop for a movie. Just hide the "Encore" on top, and you have: Dr. Evil's headquarters, with the adjacent factory producing all manner of earth-destroying weaponry. :)
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Look, its factory that makes miniature models of factories!
 
odurandina said:
Looking at that last shot.... fill the whole smash with 800~900' skyscrapers. join the towns, build a huge new grid: avenues, highways, transit and call it North Boston. Who needs to call any of it Cambridge, Somerville, Chelsea, Malden, Everett anyway?

Isn't that how they should plan for the next 75 years?
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Thank god this won't happen.
 
I believe WYNN/Encore Corporation will be forced to sell off the casino. The vultures are out and circling around this money machine.

Expect a sell-off in the future or the company will need to Merge to hold on to this dream.
If the gaming commission does step in and halt the progress concerning this casino then it opens up doors for the Everett political community to step-in.

http://www.bostonherald.com/busines..._resorts_may_be_forced_to_cash_out_in_everett
 
^^ Man, I love a good dumpster fire. Time to fill the cooler with beer and set up some lawn chairs...
 
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odurandina said:
Looking at that last shot.... fill the whole smash with 800~900' skyscrapers. join the towns, build a huge new grid: avenues, highways, transit and call it North Boston. Who needs to call any of it Cambridge, Somerville, Chelsea, Malden, Everett anyway?

Isn't that how they should plan for the next 75 years?
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I had to read this twice, because the first time I read it I thought you were saying:

"Build a new High Spine North between Rutherford Ave & the McGrath, and continue it across the mystic to up to Rt. 16."

But that's not actually what you were saying....
 
If they have to sell, I hope it is to a high-end operator. It would be sad to see this spot slide downhill and turn into an AC-level casino / hotel.
 
Czervik.Construction said:
If they have to sell, I hope it is to a high-end operator. It would be sad to see this spot slide downhill and turn into an AC-level casino / hotel.
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Even with a high end operator the vast majority of gambling patrons will be Revere/Lynn/Saugus types and senior citizens on bus trips from NH and elsewhere - the same variety of people one sees at Foxwoods and in AC.
 
kmp1284 said:
Even with a high end operator the vast majority of gambling patrons will be Revere/Lynn/Saugus types and senior citizens on bus trips from NH and elsewhere - the same variety of people one sees at Foxwoods and in AC.
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Too bad Wynn opted not to have a nightclub/concert venue. Having that would draw young/attractive people!
 
cadetcarl said:
New grid where? New avenues and highways where?
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Boston is configured all wrong for more than a few additional skyscrapers. We already know the Brahmins and North Enders will put up significant roadblocks of the further expansion in the West End and Downtown expanse near Beacon Hill. We know a few more highrises in Back Bay are theoretically possible at many sites often mentioned... but they will begin to put the historic Brownstone neighborhoods under severe shadow. Highrises in Allston train yards are certainly appropriate – except meddling activists will have a collective meltdown. Roxbury, JP, Mission Hill, Fenway & Brighton will also be a nightmare to urbanize at proper scale. Same goes for Brookline, Newton, Quincy, etc.....

So how to encompass the new Biotech Zones at massive scale. Not talking 2025 or 2030 I'm talking about how to plan the next logical step for Massachusetts' urban zone and cultural, intellectual, high-tech superpower for 2035 to 2100......

Create an entirely new, legal jurisdiction; North Boston; the 2nd urban core – not San Jose or Oakland playing deadend 2nd fiddles to SF, but as big as downtown Houston or Atlanta were as recently as a few years ago; Insanely huge & inordinately tall.... NSRL, EMU's on all the rail row, 4 tracks up the Orange line, widen Rt 93, 99, 2 and Rt 1.... Blue Line expansion, Salem St, Fellsway & Broadway all widened for subway Lines and skyscrapers....... Main St, Bryant, Ferry, Hancock, Elm, etc all widened & expanded for 400~600' resident highrises.

Eminent domain; bring the dozers, area residents cash out.
 
Czervik.Construction said:
If they have to sell, I hope it is to a high-end operator. It would be sad to see this spot slide downhill and turn into an AC-level casino / hotel.
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Not many options I'm afraid. I doubt they would allow MGM to hold both full casino licenses in the state. Sands/Venetian/Adelson? He's a local guy but has always said he has no interest in a casino here. Caesars was already ruled out. Who's left that can afford to buy and finish this property for billions?
 
odurandina said:
So how to encompass the new Biotech Zones at massive scale. Not talking 2025 or 2030 I'm talking about how to plan the next logical step for Massachusetts' urban zone and cultural, intellectual, high-tech superpower for 2035 to 2100......

Create an entirely new, legal jurisdiction; North Boston; the 2nd urban core – not San Jose or Oakland playing deadend 2nd fiddles to SF, but as big as downtown Houston or Atlanta were as recently as a few years ago; Insanely huge & inordinately tall.... NSRL, EMU's on all the rail row, 4 tracks up the Orange line, widen Rt 93, 99, 2 and Rt 1.... Blue Line expansion, Salem St, Fellsway & Broadway all widened for subway Lines and skyscrapers....... Main St, Bryant, Ferry, Hancock, Elm, etc all widened & expanded for 400~600' resident highrises.

Eminent domain; bring the dozers, area residents cash out.
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First off,

logical
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????????

I love Boston, but if what you were to propose actually came to fruition, I'd move out in a heartbeat. I have to ask, how many times have you been around "insanely huge and inordinately tall" developments? They aren't pleasant, and won't fit in the definition of Massachusetts you wrote yourself - a cultural and intellectual superpower, no matter where you put it.

Look, I'm all for expansion and growth, probably more than the average YIMBY, but this is really out there, even for you. If you want more growth, concentrate it in the core. There's the entire stretch of I-90 that remains to be capped, the area surrounding North station can handle a couple more 100ks of square footage, Widdett, growth in Cambridge is inevitable, Allston Yards is wide open as you mention, parts of Dorchester can grow more, and even parts of Everett and Revere that don't require bulldozing everything in sight. (That went terribly with the West End and Government Center, by the way) There are still acres undeveloped/underdeveloped in the Seaport. You can build up between Assembly and BHCC along 93 (but not "insanely huge"). Then you have all the transit-oriented development opportunities at most MBTA stations that still remain ripe for development, and future ones with system expansion. Gateway cities like Lowell, Lawrence, Salem, and growing ones like Waltham, Woburn, and Burlington have plenty of space and could be included in the "logical" next step.
 
awood91 said:
Too bad Wynn opted not to have a nightclub/concert venue. Having that would draw young/attractive people!
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That's a highly misleading statement, at least when it comes to the "nightclub" portion. Ed Kane--who is, in fact, New England's biggest nightclub impresario--is opening two restaurants inside Encore. Anyone who's been to any of his restaurants in the Downtown core--like, say, Empire--knows his restaurants are saturated with a heavy nightclub vibe. He's also doing a big entertainment venue at Hub On Causeway, for what it's worth.

Thus: by any realistic measure, Encore will have nightclubs.
 
"And the gambling commissioner's hangin' on by the skin of his teeth"

Actually, he's done. Will this cause the surreal sideshow circus of Encore-related litigation to dissipate? No, it will almost certainly not. Thus I cannot perceive this act as anything other than--to quote the illustrious Otter--a futile gesture.

The Band/via The Bruce
 
stefalarchitect said:
First off,
If you want more growth, concentrate it in the core. There's the entire stretch of I-90 that remains to be capped, the area surrounding North station can handle a couple more 100ks of square footage, Widdett, growth in Cambridge is inevitable, Allston Yards is wide open as you mention, parts of Dorchester can grow more, and even parts of Everett and Revere that don't require bulldozing everything in sight. (That went terribly with the West End and Government Center, by the way) There are still acres undeveloped/underdeveloped in the Seaport. You can build up between Assembly and BHCC along 93 (but not "insanely huge"). Then you have all the transit-oriented development opportunities at most MBTA stations that still remain ripe for development, and future ones with system expansion. Gateway cities like Lowell, Lawrence, Salem, and growing ones like Waltham, Woburn, and Burlington have plenty of space and could be included in the "logical" next step.
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Let's roll!

stefalarchitect said:
There are still acres undeveloped/underdeveloped in the Seaport.
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Hell; there are still acres undeveloped/underdeveloped in the West End, Govt Center and Beacon Hill.
 
BosDevelop said:
Not many options I'm afraid. I doubt they would allow MGM to hold both full casino licenses in the state. Sands/Venetian/Adelson? He's a local guy but has always said he has no interest in a casino here. Caesars was already ruled out. Who's left that can afford to buy and finish this property for billions?
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^BosDevelop is spot-on. MGM hypothetically could sell Springfield and take this over-if it came to that. There aren't that many alternatives. Hopefully the gaming commission will find that the benefits of allowing Wynn to keep pumping boatloads of money into our economy outweigh forcing his company out at this point. They could make some sort of agreement which punishes Wynn personally for his indiscretions, but allow this project to go forward. (he is majority shareholder, but I'm sure they could figure something out)
 
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