Fan Pier Developments | Seaport

Those figures could be extrapolated by looking at a few places on line and doing some math. The numbers will, of course, be influenced by what costs and revenues are considered, as well as the source of the numbers.

That said, our vaunted State Senate chose to approve the casino bill in absence of a detailed cost-benefit analysis. File under: Leadership Fail.
 
BostonUrbEx said:
Are there any figures on how much money from Massachusetts is raked in by Connecticut casinos? And how much that state pulls in from tourists? Any figures at all?
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5 Years ago. Foxwoods and Mohegan claimed that the Majority of revenues came from Mass 33% at the time.
 
So what Puritan laws are still on the books now? Blue laws in a few towns? Quo vadis, City on a Hill?
 
The number I recall was about $1 billion in revenue lost to CT. Can that number be retained, and added to by NH, ME, even VT? Maybe. Plus I doubt as many North Shore residents travel to CT to gamble as do south shore to Worcester folks.

Having worked on a number of casino's, and slightly guided by the fact that new ones would probably provide me with new work, I am pro casino to a point. I want well thought out and strategically located casinos to not kill the whole thing. No one wants old (or even current) Atlantic City. No one wants old seedy Vegas, and we couldn't possibly support new oppulent Vegas. Monaco seems to be the ideal, but I don't know that it works here.

I worked on one of the new PA casions, which seem to be doing fairly well (much better I'm sure now that table games have been legalized.) But, I don't like the constant idea of pushing them out to reclusive areas that you have to drive to. You can have a destination in a city. The idea of Wynn at Fan Pier kind of started swaying me a bit. When included as an attraction, and not the attraction, I think the casino could meld in well. Many of us seem to want an entertainment district in this area. Perfect for conventioneers and for the young folk as well.

Conventions are the big prize in Vegas. That's what fills rooms. A casino in this area would jump start the hotel business that everyone wants. But, a Vegas style over the top casino would potentially hurt the residential aspect of the Seaport (or the one it wants.) The access here would be so much better than at Suffolk Downs. I think the available space on Fan Pier might limit the casino size here though, unless they break the mold and go multi storey. Say 3 levels of casino/meeting rooms at 30-50k sf each and the top 15-18 storeys as hotel, plus a sister hotel on an adjacent parcel.

What I'm really waiting for, is the bill to pass and for Sheldon to finally throw his hat in. I'm amazed no one has said it yet, but he has been the backer and lobbyist for years, and definitely has the inside track to build in his home town.

Enough speculation out of me...
 
SeamusMcFly said:
The number I recall was about $1 billion in revenue lost to CT. Can that number be retained, and added to by NH, ME, even VT? Maybe. Plus I doubt as many North Shore residents travel to CT to gamble as do south shore to Worcester folks.

Having worked on a number of casino's, and slightly guided by the fact that new ones would probably provide me with new work, I am pro casino to a point. I want well thought out and strategically located casinos to not kill the whole thing. No one wants old (or even current) Atlantic City. No one wants old seedy Vegas, and we couldn't possibly support new oppulent Vegas. Monaco seems to be the ideal, but I don't know that it works here.

I worked on one of the new PA casions, which seem to be doing fairly well (much better I'm sure now that table games have been legalized.) But, I don't like the constant idea of pushing them out to reclusive areas that you have to drive to. You can have a destination in a city. The idea of Wynn at Fan Pier kind of started swaying me a bit. When included as an attraction, and not the attraction, I think the casino could meld in well. Many of us seem to want an entertainment district in this area. Perfect for conventioneers and for the young folk as well.

Conventions are the big prize in Vegas. That's what fills rooms. A casino in this area would jump start the hotel business that everyone wants. But, a Vegas style over the top casino would potentially hurt the residential aspect of the Seaport (or the one it wants.) The access here would be so much better than at Suffolk Downs. I think the available space on Fan Pier might limit the casino size here though, unless they break the mold and go multi storey. Say 3 levels of casino/meeting rooms at 30-50k sf each and the top 15-18 storeys as hotel, plus a sister hotel on an adjacent parcel.

What I'm really waiting for, is the bill to pass and for Sheldon to finally throw his hat in. I'm amazed no one has said it yet, but he has been the backer and lobbyist for years, and definitely has the inside track to build in his home town.

Enough speculation out of me...
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I would have to disagree about the casinos in Boston. I'm assuming our political hacks have determined to move forward in the process of building casino's in Massachusetts especially for their very well connected business friends. I think the Casino's would ruin the character of Boston as a city. The city is very unique, with its college atmosphere, financial & Law firms, Fenway Park, Boston Common. We don't need sometype of- "Back to the Future II" Biff's Casino's in the Seaport District because the developers that spent too much money to buy these developments can't figure how to persuade new innovation to the area. I also believe the Casino situation opens up alot of questions for other developers. Why can't I get a gaming licensing for my development. So in reality gambling will be legal everywhere in this state. Why not on the Greenway at this point? aka Chiofaro's 200ft development would be a perfect location.

If we are in the need of casino's I would rather see them at Suffolk Downs. Revere in general Sucks. "Sorry BentonBrut" The traffic infrastructure in that area is a big problem but I'm sure with the right planning they can figure out better access routes. I really don't see the Casino harming that area and if anything it might actually boost Revere's economic status.
I am still not for the Casino's coming to Mass at all, but it's going to happen. It?s the only economical idea these political idiots can think of to actually keep the unions voting for them.
 
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AmericanFolkLegend said:
^Excellent Back to the Future II reference.
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Indeed. I love a good Biff reference.

On the topic of casino licensing, it would seem the bill is for up to 3 casinos. Which makes it seem like a very limited version of liquor licenses. While future legislation could change that, I like the idea of limiting instead of oversaturating. Kind Deval's opposition to slots at race tracks. Gives it that hokey, just got off the plane in vegas and there is a slot machine next to the urinal, feel.
 
Unless the Mini-Amusement Park was built under glass, it would be unuseable for probably 6 months of the year, minimum. Not the best use of a very valuable piece of land.
 
atlantaden said:
Unless the Mini-Amusement Park was built under glass, it would be unuseable for probably 6 months of the year, minimum. Not the best use of a very valuable piece of land.
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Tell that to Navy Pier in Chicago.
 
Sorry, when I think of an amusement park I automatically think of a 6 Flags sort of place or the old Paragon Park at Nantasket Beach, much of which was open to the elements! Navy Pier definitely is different!! I've been to the Navy Pier in Chicago, it's awesome but much of the pier is actually under cover. If I knew how to post an ariel of it, I would and it'd be easy to see how much is actually covered.
 
So sick of the "let's build an amusement park!" or "let's have a destination superstore/restaurant!" posts. So very silver bullet, Menino-style thinking. Boston needs more properly executed city, period. Like the exciting parts of any world city (admittedly, there are no local examples I can think of), it would be entertaining enough.
 
^^It does, but it's not going to happen here. The groundwork has already been laid. The plot are too big, the streets are too wide.

The question is what is the best possible scenario based of what we've been given. A "properly executed city" can't be carved out of what is there now.

We are arguing over what color to paint a house that has already been mostly built.
 
czsz said:
So sick of the "let's build an amusement park!" or "let's have a destination superstore/restaurant!" posts. So very silver bullet, Menino-style thinking. Boston needs more properly executed city, period. Like the exciting parts of any world city (admittedly, there are no local examples I can think of), it would be entertaining enough.
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You do know that an amusement park such as Navy Pier does not only cater to tourists but to Bostonians as well? Maybe you should ask the people of NYC about how Coney Island is some tacky attraction. Also, I can confidently tell you that although Boston can be entertaining enough for people of a certain age (post college) it isn't enough to other people. What is there for people to do for the younger generation (i.e. 18-25)? Let's see here: Bars, mall, movie theater, arcade, park? No, I would not prefer to attend a musical in order to hang out with friends. Like all my college friends say, "There's nothing to do in Boston during the day."
 
KentXie said:
Like all my college friends say, "There's nothing to do in Boston during the day."
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And an amusement park would be a satisfactory diversion? Who do you hang out with, the cast from Revenge of the Nerds?
 
Ditto.

Amusement parks will not satisfy your issues with boredom for more than a day.
 
Maybe you should ask the people of NYC about how Coney Island is some tacky attraction.
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If I had gone to college in NYC, Coney Island would be the last place I'd want go on a Saturday afternoon.

But really, I don't remember being bored in college. Ever. Maybe you should take more classes, or start day drinking?
 
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