Four Seasons Tower @ CSC | 1 Dalton Street | Back Bay

odurandina said:
What does the top floor number say in the elevator?
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Odurandia -- outside of a service elevator -- i don't think there is any one elevator which has all the floor numbers on it

The people at the top certainly don't care about the lower non-hotel floors and they certain;y don't want drunken hotel guests migrating up to the top

Actually, in a quite candid interview one of the Millenium Partners jested that if the trend of skipping floor were to continue with more exclusions that the 62 story building would be numbering in the 90's
 
whighlander said:
Odurandia -- outside of a service elevator -- i don't think there is any one elevator which has all the floor numbers on it
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More than likely, the elevators don't have any buttons inside, since most modern elevator systems have moved to choosing floors outside the elevator. I'd even bet on the elevators here using an RFID/keycard system where residents and guests will use their key fobs or room keys to tell the elevator system their floor/destination.
 
whighlander said:
Actually, in a quite candid interview one of the Millenium Partners jested that if the trend of skipping floor were to continue with more exclusions that the 62 story building would be numbering in the 90's
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That's already the case for a couple buildings in NY.
 
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In addition to the three shovels you can see here, there were two small gradall machines down in the hole. Passing buckets of dirt from one machine to the next, all the way to the dump truck parked behind the yellow excavator on the right. i.e. only one of the five machines actually making the hole deeper - the rest just passing the dirt up the chain. Quite an operation
 
Walked by this one tonight. It's actually getting pretty deep all around. It wouldn't suprise me if (part of) it bottoms out by the end of the month. I do tend to be overly optimistic when it comes to the timing of this stuff.

Rather than just talk about it, here's a crappy cell picture.

 
I remember someone posting that the construction of this one permitted constructing down and up at the same time. I'm interested to know if that's still the case.
 
great shot. thanks!

really gives an impression of the breadth, thanks to the depth + Tonka trucks. :)
 
^it's definitely on pilings of some sort or another. You don't spend 16+ months on site prep work prior to excavation if there are no pilings.

EDIT/UPDATE:
"The $700 million tower is founded on a series of very deep rectangular load bearing elements. The load bearing elements will be excavated using a hydromill to a depth of approximately 190 ft (58 m) including approximately 16 ft (5 m) into hard rock. The building will also include three below grade levels supported by a combination of diaphragm wall and a secant pile wall."
from: http://www.treviicos.com/viewdoc.asp?co_id=4518
 
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07/11/2016 - I uploaded images a while ago but they were taken down?

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stellarfun said:
Better get those purchase contracts signed soon.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/r...on=inside-nyt-region&WT.nav=inside-nyt-region
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I'm not sure that this refers to the same market. Snazzy as One D, Millenium, 22 Liberty, etc, are, they aren't quite in the "billionaires" market that NYC/London/Hong Kong had been experiencing.

I may be off on this one, but my bet is that there's still a very healthy semi-local market of massachusetts millionaires (plus outsiders) who will be snapping up these condos for several more years.
 
bigpicture7 said:
I'm not sure that this refers to the same market. Snazzy as One D, Millenium, 22 Liberty, etc, are, they aren't quite in the "billionaires" market that NYC/London/Hong Kong had been experiencing.

I may be off on this one, but my bet is that there's still a very healthy semi-local market of massachusetts millionaires (plus outsiders) who will be snapping up these condos for several more years.
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Right, even the nicest new towers in Boston should be considered (merely) "luxury", not "ultraluxury". Practically all of these units will go for seven-figure prices, with only a very small handful of penthouses crossing into eight-figures. Nine-figures is completely unheard of in Boston and will be for many decades to come.

Basically, Boston towers are aimed at the local 1% while the New York/Hong Kong/London units that are now struggling are aimed at the global 0.001%.
 
So when are we looking at time table wise for the 1st floor to be at ground level?
 
Per the CMP they're installing three levels of bracing, and excavating down to 42'. Just going by davec's pics, it looks like they have 2 levels of bracing installed on one corner, and one level on the other two. If you go back a few weeks before that they only had the one. So I'm going to guess that they have 3-4 weeks before the third level of bracing is installed, then (total guess) another month of so to complete excavation and prepare for the pour of the mat slab. . Once they start going vertical it's supposed to go at ~1 floor per week. You probably won't see anything above ground level until the end of this year or early next year
 
bobthebuilder said:
Per the CMP they're installing three levels of bracing, and excavating down to 42'. Just going by davec's pics, it looks like they have 2 levels of bracing installed on one corner, and one level on the other two. If you go back a few weeks before that they only had the one. So I'm going to guess that they have 3-4 weeks before the third level of bracing is installed, then (total guess) another month of so to complete excavation and prepare for the pour of the mat slab. . Once they start going vertical it's supposed to go at ~1 floor per week. You probably won't see anything above ground level until the end of this year or early next year
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Sounds like a reasonable assessment based on current evidence, but if we don't see anything above ground level 'til the beginning of 2017, and at that rate of ascent, this thing is not opening in 2017 as originally announced.

Further evidence that this is behind schedule:
"The concrete structure should be coming out of the ground in Q2 2016"
https://www.bisnow.com/boston/news/...changing-the-skyline-and-lookingto-2016-52619
 
bigpicture7 said:
Sounds like a reasonable assessment based on current evidence, but if we don't see anything above ground level 'til the beginning of 2017, and at that rate of ascent, this thing is not opening in 2017 as originally announced.

Further evidence that this is behind schedule:
"The concrete structure should be coming out of the ground in Q2 2016"
https://www.bisnow.com/boston/news/...changing-the-skyline-and-lookingto-2016-52619
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I'm not sure why they're so off in those schedules (both from early 2015). The construction management plan, dated December 2014 puts the completion in April 2018.

The way they list the phases durations in the CMP isn't totally clear, but the way I read it is when they list the Duration: # of Months (Month year), I take it to mean the phase will last x number of months and be complete by the end of the month listed. So where we have the Excavation Phase listed as "Duration: 5 months (February 2016)" I take it as Starting in October 2015, lasting 5 months, and ending in Februray 2016

  • Enabling work & foundations (10 months, January 2015-October 2015)
  • Excavation (5 months, February 2016)
  • Building Erection - Concrete - Vertical Construction (8 Months, October 2016)
  • Vertical Structure - Facade installation & Interior Construction (18 Months)

So to me, it would seem that they are currently 5-6 months behind schedule.
 
Did they start construction later than expected. I don't know how else they would be so far behind?
 
bigpicture7 said:
I'm not sure that this refers to the same market. Snazzy as One D, Millenium, 22 Liberty, etc, are, they aren't quite in the "billionaires" market that NYC/London/Hong Kong had been experiencing.

I may be off on this one, but my bet is that there's still a very healthy semi-local market of massachusetts millionaires (plus outsiders) who will be snapping up these condos for several more years.
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BigPicture -- the Millennium Penthouse is precisely the Billionaire Market -- as a certified Billionaire Citizen of the Globe purchased the Penthouse

I think that Four Seasons near to the top is a Billionaire's market, as well as the nicer flats on the water in the Seaport / Innovation District

You are probably right that the rest are for mere Millionaires ;)
 
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