Franklin Park - White Stadium Renovation

As someone who has gone hard in the paint on Boston, I don’t think that it’s fair to pin this on Wu. The increasing costs are mere circumstantial and will only exacerbate with the impending tariffs.

I fully agree with you about rising costs not her fault.

The ORIGINAL plan at the lower cost was already ridiculous. Once again - -the availability. How do the BPS football teams get any benefit if they are banned during 90+% of the football season? It's a mean joke on the students and the taxpayers.
 
I fully agree with you about rising costs not her fault.

The ORIGINAL plan at the lower cost was already ridiculous. Once again - -the availability. How do the BPS football teams get any benefit if they are banned during 90+% of the football season? It's a mean joke on the students and the taxpayers.
The singular focus on football seems very odd, there are a lot more student-athletes than just football and they will all have a fantastic facility. Even so, football didn't have that many games in the stadium and in cases like BLS they are being relocated to perfectly fine fields much closer to their campus. Not to mention the strength and conditioning facilities/ offices for all of BPS which many more students and football will benefit from. It was never a joke on the students, it's a massive massive benefit and investment for the students and BPS. Every voice from inside BPS that I have seen, including parents, students, teachers, and coaches have been in support of this project. If you go on these calls you'll see the people against it in general seem to be elderly NIMBY's.
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Now in terms of the price of the thing doubling so late before leases are signed and shovels go in the ground, that is definitely a joke on the taxpayers. $50 million wasn't crazy for the facility, $90 million is definitely getting close to there and the fact the city hasn't been more careful or explicit about the reasons for costs looks awful. They chock it up to community feedback and construction costs rising, but I don't get it. The only thing I can think of that they added on the BPS side from the earlier presentations was a couple of simple wings that have no seating. From what I remember most of the community feedback led to downsizing the grove area and big screen which were on the BUSP side.
 
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I fully agree with you about rising costs not her fault.

The ORIGINAL plan at the lower cost was already ridiculous. Once again - -the availability. How do the BPS football teams get any benefit if they are banned during 90+% of the football season? It's a mean joke on the students and the taxpayers.
We've already gone over this multiple times earlier in the thread.
  1. The percentage of BPS student athletes playing football is a rounding error.
  2. There are other reasonably decent facilities for the football teams to use during the overlap
  3. White Stadium will still be available for the more important part of the football season
Just stop the nonsense. You can make a reasonable point about cost without also fixating on the football question which only works to make your efforts look more like trolling, and less like earnest concern.
 
To ANY student athlete, that stadium is available only from late November to March.
Where do you get this idea? There will be somewhere between 20 and 25 days in total out of 365 when it's not available.
 
Where do you get this idea? There will be somewhere between 20 and 25 days in total out of 365 when it's not available.

It's not just game days - - that's not how it works. The women's pro team needs that pitch for practices, off-season training, etc. The NWSL season runs from March to November.
 
It's not just game days - - that's not how it works. The women's pro team needs that pitch for practices, off-season training, etc. The NWSL season runs from March to November.
But they don't plan to use it at all for that purpose, so again, where are you getting this idea?
 
It's not just game days - - that's not how it works. The women's pro team needs that pitch for practices, off-season training, etc. The NWSL season runs from March to November.
... A single practice during the week prior to each home game. That's going to be basically occasisional scheduled field use for a few hours at a time. They're not exactly going to be there all the time.

Also, they haven't announced where yet, but per reporting from October their plan remains to build a training facility/ offices somewhere else in the state.
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It's not just game days - - that's not how it works. The women's pro team needs that pitch for practices, off-season training, etc. The NWSL season runs from March to November.
The only practice time the field will be used for is an hour or two the day before a game. This is for the opposing team to get a feel for the facility. No professional soccer team in the MLS or NWSL practices frequently on the pitch they play, especially if they have a natural grass field. Additionally, the owner has already said that "they are currently evaluating sites to build a training facility in addition to their plan for revitalizing White Stadium." The things that might increase the use of the field in the future is whether the team makes playoffs consistently, if the final is planned to be hosted there (which will probably happen in 2026/2027 and not again for a long time), and how much more the league expands in the next decade or so. So maybe 30-35 days of use 10 years from now, still less than 10% of available time.
that's not how it works
You clearly don't understand how professional soccer works, I don't know why you are acting like you do
 
The only practice time the field will be used for is an hour or two the day before a game. This is for the opposing team to get a feel for the facility. No professional soccer team in the MLS or NWSL practices frequently on the pitch they play, especially if they have a natural grass field. Additionally, the owner has already said that "they are currently evaluating sites to build a training facility in addition to their plan for revitalizing White Stadium." The things that might increase the use of the field in the future is whether the team makes playoffs consistently, if the final is planned to be hosted there (which will probably happen in 2026/2027 and not again for a long time), and how much more the league expands in the next decade or so. So maybe 30-35 days of use 10 years from now, still less than 10% of available time.

You clearly don't understand how professional soccer works, I don't know why you are acting like you do

Fine. I had read somewhere in the Globe about the March to November non-availability for the BPS. perhaps it was in the comments section - - if so, and if it wasn't correct, I apologize and appreciate you setting that information correct.

Regarding Stlin's post #187 - - I see "The Grove" would be available to the public on game and non-gamedays - - the question that is still not clear is whether the Field/Stadium be available to the BPS athletes on NWSL non-gameday/practice days?
 
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Absolutely .... and that Texas football stadium would be available to the school......for the actual football season (and the rest of the year).

This is like giving the schools ice skating privileges on an outdoor lake from May to August.

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Oh are we still doing the bad faith "This is bad for BPS students" lie?
 
Fine. I had read somewhere in the Globe about the March to November non-availability for the BPS. perhaps it was in the comments section - - if so, and if it wasn't correct, I apologize and appreciate you setting that information correct.

Regarding Stlin's post #187 - - I see "The Grove" would be available to the public on game and non-gamedays - - the question that is still not clear is whether the Field/Stadium be available to the BPS athletes on NWSL non-gameday/practice days?
This is the slide they've been showing in their presentations. It can be available to BPS every day of the week throughout the year depending on scheduling. The game would take half the day and the one practice session no more than a few hours. The rest of the time there are greatly expanded hours for public access compared to today.
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Oh are we still doing the bad faith "This is bad for BPS students" lie?

It's my OPINION that its not good for the city and its finances. And it's $91 million that comes out of somewhere else in the budget that could go to the students.

If you want to be some sort of internet tough guy and call my opinion a "lie", then go ahead.
 
It's my OPINION that its not good for the city and its finances. And it's $91 million that comes out of somewhere else in the budget that could go to the students.

If you want to be some sort of internet tough guy and call my opinion a "lie", then go ahead.

I'm not talking about your opinion about the financials, I'm talking about all your posts repeating the lie about this being bad for BPS students.
How do the BPS football teams get any benefit if they are banned during 90+% of the football season? It's a mean joke on the students and the taxpayers.
It's not just game days - - that's not how it works. The women's pro team needs that pitch for practices, off-season training, etc. The NWSL season runs from March to November.
Fine. I had read somewhere in the Globe about the March to November non-availability for the BPS. perhaps it was in the comments section - - if so, and if it wasn't correct, I apologize and appreciate you setting that information correct.

Regarding Stlin's post #187 - - I see "The Grove" would be available to the public on game and non-gamedays - - the question that is still not clear is whether the Field/Stadium be available to the BPS athletes on NWSL non-gameday/practice days?

Considering this talking point has been so thoroughly debunked there is no reason to try and wield BPS students as a cudgel other than in bad faith. Reasonable people can disagree on the cost, but I'm sick of football being trotted out at the explicit expense of a much greater number of track and soccer athletes. If you don't want to be called out for lying, don't lie.
 
I'm not talking about your opinion about the financials, I'm talking about all your posts repeating the lie about this being bad for BPS students.




Considering this talking point has been so thoroughly debunked there is no reason to try and wield BPS students as a cudgel other than in bad faith. Reasonable people can disagree on the cost, but I'm sick of football being trotted out at the explicit expense of a much greater number of track and soccer athletes. If you don't want to be called out for lying, don't lie.

No bad faith at all. My post #189 was a full apology about that one point once it was pointed out to me. And I thanked the posters for doing so - -that's what this forum is all about - to exchange ideas and information. And to clarify and correct - as Stiln and Samsongam did. They set me straight on the actual information and I appreciate them for it. You, on the other hand, are a bit of a different case - What's bothering you so much in life to be putting on your "internet tough guy" gear today?

I stood up and fully stated that I was wrong - I had seen something in the Globe comments section and took it as fact. Mea culpa. I wish you the best in feeling better someday.
 
What's bothering you so much in life to be putting on your "internet tough guy" gear today?
I don't understand why it's being an "internet tough guy" to point out that you're repeating the same debunked talking points you were in February. I wasn't hostile about it and I didn't start calling names, nor will I respond to yours in kind. I called a spade a spade.
Answer: The golf course isn't blocking Boston high school players during their season from using it. And the NWSL team would be blocking HS football usage from March through October. No problem if it were a hockey rink though.

Perhaps I was wrong to assume bad faith, perhaps you legitimately forgot. Idk. Glad we're on the same page now at least.
 
Not a fan of this guy (imho, he's kind of a dullard), but I feel he's right on this one:


My hope is for:

1) $30-40 million to bring White Stadium up to par for a venue that is 100% for BPS.
2) The new Boston NWSL team plays in Kraft's great location on a bustling/dynamic transformed Mystic River waterfront (Charlestown/Somerville on one bank, Chelsea/Everett on the other) and becomes wildly successful playing in front of 10,000-20,000 fans per game.
3) Don Law and his wife, Sara Molyneaux, coincidentally the Chair of the CLF, quit their obvious attempt at saving his market share on concerts/events by blocking other potential competitor locations

This could be great and transformative. But Wu thinks small and expensive.
 
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My hope is for:

1) $30-40 million to bring White Stadium up to par for a venue that is 100% for BPS.
2) The new Boston NWSL team plays in Kraft's great location on a bustling/dynamic transformed Mystic River waterfront (Charlestown/Somerville on one bank, Chelsea/Everett on the other) and becomes wildly successful playing in front of 10,000-20,000 fans per game.
3) Don Law and his wife, Sara Molyneaux, coincidentally the Chair of the CLF, quit their obvious attempt at saving his market share on concerts/events by blocking other potential competitor locations

This could be great and transformative. But Wu thinks small and expensive.
What makes you think you can do anything meaningful for $30 million? Inflation adjusted, the field upgrades at WREC cost over $25 million. Renovating White Stadium would be substantially more expensive than that. The city could end up spending close to $100 million just for that, when you consider required structural improvements, which were not an issue in West Roxbury. Somebody is thinking small, but it's not Mayor Wu.
 
Not a fan of this guy (imho, he's kind of a dullard), but I feel he's right on this one:


My hope is for:

1) $30-40 million to bring White Stadium up to par for a venue that is 100% for BPS.
2) The new Boston NWSL team plays in Kraft's great location on a bustling/dynamic transformed Mystic River waterfront (Charlestown/Somerville on one bank, Chelsea/Everett on the other) and becomes wildly successful playing in front of 10,000-20,000 fans per game.
3) Don Law and his wife, Sara Molyneaux, coincidentally the Chair of the CLF, quit their obvious attempt at saving his market share on concerts/events by blocking other potential competitor locations

This could be great and transformative. But Wu thinks small and expensive.
Ed Flynn is a DINO (Democrat in Name Only)!

Southie may as well just declare themselves Republican at this point.
 
There is so many dumb aspects of this plan. The insane cost. The city giving control to a private company. Building two stadiums in the area at the same time for what is a niche sport in America. Cutting down dozens of trees. Bringing tons of noise into the park and neighborhood. Expecting all the suburbanites will take shuttle buses. Assuming the team will be around for the long term to keep up their financial commitments like stadium upkeep when every other women’s soccer league has quickly folded.

Between this, the possible Shattuck hospital expansion, the ridiculous amount of land taken up by the golf course, stupid Circuit Drive cutting the park in half, and the zoo there will be no more park space in the park.
 

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